Orange stain second term results thread

[you2]

Just remember if you call out trump for being an asshole and pile of shit he is - ICE will come after you even if you were born in America.... wait guys i have a few more words to type before you haul me away.....

 

[Jaskalas]

And ... Where exactly does Trump think he's going to deport US born citizens to? Thier home state? He's lost his fucking mind. Looks like Grandpa is losing the few marbles he had left. 🎵His brain is squirming like a toad.🎵

Concentration camps do not lead to mass deportations.
They lead to mass graves.

Now we need to decide if we are going to be the ones laying down in them, or the ones filling them.
Americans, the time is now - to choose between the shovel or the gun.

 

[hal2kilo]

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As a GenX I know how to deal with crocs and swamps, rolling logs and snakes.

Pitfall?

 

[Indus]

Yes, sometimes you do have to stop trying to run every policy issue by the median voter. We live in a Republic where we elect representatives to be a bit more expert on issues and government working than the median voter and work to enact policies that should benefit the constituents and the country.

You sure about the republic bit?

Seems more of a kakistocracy to me!

It's basically a daily rehash of Flight 93 (RIP)..

You're in deep shit, people are gonna fuck America up, you're gonna die, but if you want to save some people you're gonna have to do something about it and it's a suicide mission!

Same thing repeats everyday in America with what they put us through.

 

[nakedfrog]

Concentration camps do not lead to mass deportations.
They lead to mass graves.

Now we need to decide if we are going to be the ones laying down in them, or the ones filling them.
Americans, the time is now - to choose between the shovel or the gun.

You referencing this?

 

[Roger Wilco]

Food for thought regarding polling discrepancies:

How to rig a polling average

GOP-aligned pollsters are propping up Trump in polling averages that don't account for pollster "house effects." This risks misleading the public.

www.gelliottmorris.com

 

[Roger Wilco]

Grandpa doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s in this bill.

The Reconciliation Timeline Is Slipping as Trump Struggles to Flip Votes

The president told one group of House Republicans Wednesday that Congress shouldn’t touch three things if they want to win elections: Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

www.notus.org

 

[Brainonska511]

Grandpa doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s in this bill.

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The Reconciliation Timeline Is Slipping as Trump Struggles to Flip Votes

The president told one group of House Republicans Wednesday that Congress shouldn’t touch three things if they want to win elections: Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

www.notus.org

Yet somehow, Trump's completely obvious mental decline and inability to understand what his administration is doing isn't a scandal.

 

[you2]

Grandpa doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s in this bill.

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The Reconciliation Timeline Is Slipping as Trump Struggles to Flip Votes

The president told one group of House Republicans Wednesday that Congress shouldn’t touch three things if they want to win elections: Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

www.notus.org

Of course dementia don has no clue what he is doing why do you think things are such a mess since he took office. One hole squirts out garbage while the other hole squirts out conflicting garbage.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yet somehow, Trump's completely obvious mental decline and inability to understand what his administration is doing isn't a scandal.

Fox and Newsmax are not going to pound this story on repeat 24/7 for the next 3 years and 6 months?

 

[Brainonska511]

Fox and Newsmax are not going to sit on this story for the next 3 years and 6 months?

Jake Tapper is holding it in until 2028 and his next book.

 

[K1052]

Jake Tapper is holding it in until 2028 and his next book.

That man is the journalistic equivalent of trying to drive a car forward via the rear view mirror while simultaneously admiring your own farts.

And that’s not even mentioning his perverse military worship.

 

[dainthomas]

Grandpa doesn’t have a fucking clue what’s in this bill.

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The Reconciliation Timeline Is Slipping as Trump Struggles to Flip Votes

The president told one group of House Republicans Wednesday that Congress shouldn’t touch three things if they want to win elections: Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

www.notus.org

I mean, the guy has at least moderate senility. But the media are afraid of losing access and/or getting broadcast licenses revoked so they wallpaper over his nonstop erratic behavior (even by his low standards).

 

[you2]

Poll: Trump’s approval rating falls to new low amid mass deportation raids

A new Yahoo/YouGov survey finds that most Americans think the president has gone too far on immigration.

www.yahoo.com

Should be a surprise to no one.... that was for the last week of june... 26-30.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Facts Don't Care About Your Hypocrisy

The populist right's fraudulent war on other people's emotions

americandreaming.substack.com

 

[pmv]

Facts Don't Care About Your Hypocrisy

The populist right's fraudulent war on other people's emotions

americandreaming.substack.com

Interesting - some truth in that, regarding the slippery and dishonest way the modern right argues. But I'm intrigued and disconcerted to hear that the right are now making an intellectual attack on 'empathy', as I've, myself, long thought that empathy is grossly-over-rated as a basis for action or morals. Because it's so selective and inherently discriminatory - people usually only feel empathy for those they see as similar to themselves.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Interesting - some truth in that, regarding the slippery and dishonest way the modern right argues. But I'm intrigued and disconcerted to hear that the right are now making an intellectual attack on 'empathy', as I've, myself, long thought that empathy is grossly-over-rated as a basis for action or morals. Because it's so selective and inherently discriminatory - people usually only feel empathy for those they see as similar to themselves.

I think empathy can be narrow or wide ranging depending on the person. So yes, subjective, but not necessarily restrictive. As were all humans, mammals, and can associate with other creature; empathy can extend from one being to many others.

For example, i don’t live in Florida, but i live on the east coast. Our hot and humid July is like Florida’s spring. I dont need to live in Florida to feel empathy for their plight.

I think many US citizens have been taught (as i was) that empathy is for the deserving based in a set of criteria. Ignoring the basic humanity that binds us all together, and in its place arbitrary rules that are designed to give one self and sense to importance or belonging.

Empathy, imprisoned in tribalism. My take on what the article describes

 

[ch33zw1z]

Too ez to grift conservatives

 

[Pens1566]

Too ez to grift conservatives

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We've had a decent run.

 

[K1052]

Between collapsing SNAP, Medicaid, tariff retaliation, and the great immigration round up rural/exurban America could basically cease to exist in the next few years. Then again those voters demanded this over and over again so fine I guess.

 

[pmv]

I think empathy can be narrow or wide ranging depending on the person. So yes, subjective, but not necessarily restrictive. As were all humans, mammals, and can associate with other creature; empathy can extend from one being to many others.

For example, i don’t live in Florida, but i live on the east coast. Our hot and humid July is like Florida’s spring. I dont need to live in Florida to feel empathy for their plight.

I think many US citizens have been taught (as i was) that empathy is for the deserving based in a set of criteria. Ignoring the basic humanity that binds us all together, and in its place arbitrary rules that are designed to give one self and sense to importance or belonging.

Empathy, imprisoned in tribalism. My take on what the article describes

Yeah, it's just an issue that really confuses me, because I sometimes find myself feeling sympathy or empathy for people and then being annoyed with myself for doing so, because it occurs to me I'm being manipulated, even if it's not by anyone's deliberate choice, but just by the structure of media coverage and/or my own psychology.

I mean, to take an extreme example, I felt sorry for Colonel Gadaffi on reading about his last moments. Not a nice way for anyone to go. But then when I do that I'm not thinking about the decades prior to that and all the immense suffering he inflicted on others, because that wasn't described in detail.

Likewise when I see images of the devastation in Ukraine I realise I'm being affected by the fact those bomb-damaged apartment blocks look like the ones round here and the people likewise look like people here (fellow Europeans) - but does that make those living in Gaza or Ethiopia or Yemen less worthy of sympathy? In practice that seems to be how these things work.

There are lots of other more personal/local examples as well (seems there's a whole ongoing argument about the issue of 'empathy' and its relation to neurodivergence - some forms of 'neurodiversity' get a lot more sympathy/empathy than do others).

But then if the right are now putting out books attacking empathy, it makes me wonder if my doubts about it might be conflated with whatever their attack on it is and maybe I shouldn't be so critical of the trait.

[Anyway, this is off-topic, it's just the sound of someone scratching their head and looking confused!]

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yeah, it's just an issue that really confuses me, because I sometimes find myself feeling sympathy or empathy for people and then being annoyed with myself for doing so, because it occurs to me I'm being manipulated, even if it's not by anyone's deliberate choice, but just by the structure of media coverage and/or my own psychology.

I mean, to take an extreme example, I felt sorry for Colonel Gadaffi on reading about his last moments. Not a nice way for anyone to go. But then when I do that I'm not thinking about the decades prior to that and all the immense suffering he inflicted on others, because that wasn't described in detail.

Likewise when I see images of the devastation in Ukraine I realise I'm being affected by the fact those bomb-damaged apartment blocks look like the ones round here and the people likewise look like people here (fellow Europeans) - but does that make those living in Gaza or Ethiopia or Yemen less worthy of sympathy? In practice that seems to be how these things work.

There are lots of other more personal/local examples as well (seems there's a whole ongoing argument about the issue of 'empathy' and its relation to neurodivergence - some forms of 'neurodiversity' get a lot more sympathy/empathy than do others).

But then if the right are now putting out books attacking empathy, it makes me wonder if my doubts about it might be conflated with whatever their attack on it is and maybe I shouldn't be so critical of the trait.

[Anyway, this is off-topic, it's just the sound of someone scratching their head and looking confused!]

I think you make good points, where preying on emotions is a common trait among whatever group wants your support. So while im selective, its important to understand why, and the motivations behind those who wish to control you.

IMO, the “rights” attack in empathy is a precursor to what comes next, setting the stage for normalized authoritarian abuses that we’ve seen in the past and were appalled by. They want people to see the abuses as justice, winning the “fight”.

 

[DZero]

Between collapsing SNAP, Medicaid, tariff retaliation, and the great immigration round up rural/exurban America could basically cease to exist in the next few years. Then again those voters demanded this over and over again so fine I guess.

Nah, the worse outcome is balcanization and then... Alaska is gone.

 

[K1052]

Nah, the worse outcome is balcanization and then... Alaska is gone.

Every state, even blue ones, have areas that will be badly impacted. The most likely result will be mass rural/exurban depopulation as their economies basically cease to exist.

 

[DZero]

Every state, even blue ones, have areas that will be badly impacted. The most likely result will be mass rural/exurban depopulation as their economies basically cease to exist.

Indeed, but Blue states might find a way to reverse it. Red states are so racist that will try to bring Russians and you know what will happen with them