Orange stain second term results thread

[fskimospy]

Indeed, but Blue states might find a way to reverse it. Red states are so racist that will try to bring Russians and you know what will happen with them

There's no way for a state to reverse a policy of masked federal thugs disappearing people to gulags without trial.

 

[Brainonska511]

Nah, the worse outcome is balcanization and then... Alaska is gone.

I think people misunderstand the makeup of the United States when they suggest that balkanization is some realistic possibility. We're not ethnic enclaves living in very specific areas - the split is urban/suburban/rural, and every state has these areas.

Blue states need to use their own powers to mitigate some of the damage, but there is no way to avoid the full brunt because many programs rely heavily on federal dollars. You're not going to see a state even get remotely close to making up the loss of billions of dollars of NIH funding, money for food stamps, and money for Medicaid programs (just to name a few). Never mind the whole issue of Trump using federal officials as his brown shirts to do illegal police things.

 

[K1052]

There's no way for a state to reverse a policy of masked federal thugs disappearing people to gulags without trial.

Short of what would amount to secession anyway.

 

[K1052]

I think people misunderstand the makeup of the United States when they suggest that balkanization is some realistic possibility. We're not ethnic enclaves living in very specific areas - the split is urban/suburban/rural, and every state has these areas.

Blue states need to use their own powers to mitigate some of the damage, but there is no way to avoid the full brunt because many programs rely heavily on federal dollars. You're not going to see a state even get remotely close to making up the loss of billions of dollars of NIH funding, money for food stamps, and money for Medicaid programs (just to name a few).

I suggest that the state legislators who represent urban/suburban areas hose the R voting rurals to protect their own constituents as much as they can.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Relevant but do US citizens even have the wherewithal to do anything, or even care?

 

[Brainonska511]

I suggest that the state legislators who represent urban/suburban areas hose the R voting rurals to protect their own constituents as much as they can.

Having previously lived in MA just a few months ago, I'm not confident that they are capable of doing that. They're very myopic and busy playing their own petty games.

 

[K1052]

Having previously lived in MA just a few months ago, I'm not confident that they are capable of doing that. They're very myopic and busy playing their own petty games.

The crisis is not upon them yet. Soon the question of what to do with very limited state dollars will be upon all of them. The rurals lack the political power in this fight and will probably be on the losing end of that.

 

[gothuevos]

Relevant but do US citizens even have the wherewithal to do anything, or even care?

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80% are probably unaware of what's even in this bill.

 

[MrSquished]

Been saying this for years now - ultimately secession is probably the only thing that can save at least a chunk of the country from pure evil. Always got shot down for that, but it was easy to see there is no other way.

I always get the same tired it's an urban/rural divide - it won't work. Well shit, these are the same people that were also sure Biden was the best candidate to put forward and that the Dem establishment would be a good opposition party. And they were horribly wrong about those crucial issues. And they are wrong about this.

Of course if we have a bunch of blue states secede there will still the that urban/rural divide and that's ok. Who said you can only take blue states with mostly politically homogenized politics for this to work? What kind of wack-o dreamland are these people living in. Nothing is perfect. There will be rough bumps in the road. But these people who helped get us to this point from an opposition party side perspective, need to get out of the way, AGAIN. State lines are the only way to delineate a secession, and states already have an overarching political apparatus that makes it make sense. So it has to be done that way. Demographic divides by urban/rural will be dealt with. Who in the hell expects a split of a nation to be perfectly seamless anyway? Nobody who is promoting that is saying that.

It's either make an attempt to free a hundred million people from this evil, or do the same they did by helping Trump win supporting the Dem establishment when many of us were yelling and screaming that they are fucking it all up. Or, let us all suffer underneath the Trump autocracy.

 

[Indus]

Been saying this for years now - ultimately secession is probably the only thing that can save at least a chunk of the country from pure evil. Always got shot down for that, but it was easy to see there is no other way.

I always get the same tired it's an urban/rural divide - it won't work. Well shit, these are the same people that were also sure Biden was the best candidate to put forward and that the Dem establishment would be a good opposition party. And they were horribly wrong about those crucial issues. And they are wrong about this.

Of course if we have a bunch of blue states secede there will still the that urban/rural divide and that's ok. Who said you can only take blue states with mostly politically homogenized politics for this to work? What kind of wack-o dreamland are these people living in. Nothing is perfect. There will be rough bumps in the road. But these people who helped get us to this point from an opposition party side perspective, need to get out of the way, AGAIN. State lines are the only way to delineate a secession, and states already have an overarching political apparatus that makes it make sense. So it has to be done that way. Demographic divides by urban/rural will be dealt with. Who in the hell expects a split of a nation to be perfectly seamless anyway? Nobody who is promoting that is saying that.

It's either make an attempt to free a hundred million people from this evil, or do the same they did by helping Trump win supporting the Dem establishment when many of us were yelling and screaming that they are fucking it all up. Or, let us all suffer underneath the Trump autocracy.

Didn't you say I was crazy for suggesting that??

Maybe I'm not crazy.. I'm just ahead of the curve!

 

[MrSquished]

Didn't you say I was crazy for suggesting that??

Maybe I'm not crazy.. I'm just ahead of the curve!

No not me. As far as secession goes I was saying it needed to be an option all the time. So I would have never said you are crazy for that, maybe for your methodology if that was ever discussed.

 

[gothuevos]

Been saying this for years now - ultimately secession is probably the only thing that can save at least a chunk of the country from pure evil. Always got shot down for that, but it was easy to see there is no other way.

I always get the same tired it's an urban/rural divide - it won't work. Well shit, these are the same people that were also sure Biden was the best candidate to put forward and that the Dem establishment would be a good opposition party. And they were horribly wrong about those crucial issues. And they are wrong about this.

Of course if we have a bunch of blue states secede there will still the that urban/rural divide and that's ok. Who said you can only take blue states with mostly politically homogenized politics for this to work? What kind of wack-o dreamland are these people living in. Nothing is perfect. There will be rough bumps in the road. But these people who helped get us to this point from an opposition party side perspective, need to get out of the way, AGAIN. State lines are the only way to delineate a secession, and states already have an overarching political apparatus that makes it make sense. So it has to be done that way. Demographic divides by urban/rural will be dealt with. Who in the hell expects a split of a nation to be perfectly seamless anyway? Nobody who is promoting that is saying that.

It's either make an attempt to free a hundred million people from this evil, or do the same they did by helping Trump win supporting the Dem establishment when many of us were yelling and screaming that they are fucking it all up. Or, let us all suffer underneath the Trump autocracy.

So what happens when Trump federalizes your state NG, sends in the Marines and firebombs your cities to get your Governor to stand down/surrender?

Not to mention all the GOP voters in your state that could take up arms, join in the violence, etc.

 

[RalphTheCow]

Relevant but do US citizens even have the wherewithal to do anything, or even care?

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They don't even pretend anymore. They traded all that in for sticking with Trump and staying in power. They do still pretend to care about the deficit. Mmm-hmm.

 

[DZero]

There's no way for a state to reverse a policy of masked federal thugs disappearing people to gulags without trial.

So, the US is effed then? if that so, I want to see how many years might last before a hard collapse.

 

[Indus]

So what happens when Trump federalizes your state NG, sends in the Marines and firebombs your cities to get your Governor to stand down/surrender?

Not to mention all the GOP voters in your state that could take up arms, join in the violence, etc.

Hey got no eggs.. what happens??

What Laura Loomer wants happens..









Unless you're prepared to do what is necessary..

And you're clearly not..

 

[DZero]

So what happens when Trump federalizes your state NG, sends in the Marines and firebombs your cities to get your Governor to stand down/surrender?

Not to mention all the GOP voters in your state that could take up arms, join in the violence, etc.

Do you think all Marines will follow a narcisist? There might end into a civil war since the army is still human at all.

 

[Pens1566]

The crisis is not upon them yet. Soon the question of what to do with very limited state dollars will be upon all of them. The rurals lack the political power in this fight and will probably be on the losing end of that.

It's gonna be interesting when Nana and pawpaw can't get nursing home care and they have to go home to die.

 

[you2]

Shitty Trump sez Powell should resign immediately - this demands a poll:
should Powell resign immediately
should Trump resign immediately
they both should resign immediatlely
neither should resign immediately

 

[fskimospy]

Shitty Trump sez Powell should resign immediately - this demands a poll:
should Powell resign immediately
should Trump resign immediately
they both should resign immediatlely
neither should resign immediately

It's a simple rubric - if Trump demands something the default answer should be no.

Do not comply in advance.

 

[gothuevos]

Do you think all Marines will follow a narcisist? There might end into a civil war since the army is still human at all.

They've had zero problems following him thus far.

Don't forget that the major of military leader has been replaced.

Foolish to think they won't follow any order given.

 

[Indus]

Do you think all Marines will follow a narcisist? There might end into a civil war since the army is still human at all.

You are ignoring the army training in the first place..

They train you for 1 thing and 1 thing only.. to kill people.

You think they have any problem with killing people?? They're in the wrong job then.

 

[DZero]

You are ignoring the army training in the first place..

They train you for 1 thing and 1 thing only.. to kill people.

You think they have any problem with killing people?? They're in the wrong job then.

With that thing may apply to everyone... even the army themselves.

Expecting some traitors appearing and a BIG purge after that. Or maybe that is his target: to provoke them and then fully purge without thinking back.

Don't forget that Trump wants to erradicate black and minorities to the army.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/26/us/dei-military-disasters-history-cec

 

[IronWing]

Every state, even blue ones, have areas that will be badly impacted. The most likely result will be mass rural/exurban depopulation as their economies basically cease to exist.

For the most part, rural economies ceased to exist decades ago. Mechanization of farming, farm to market transport, logging, and mining has rendered most rural communities economic basket cases. Add offshoring of textiles and there is little reason for rural communities to exist.

 

[K1052]

For the most part, rural economies ceased to exist decades ago. Mechanization of farming, farm to market transport, logging, and mining has rendered most rural communities economic basket cases. Add offshoring of textiles and there is little reason for rural communities to exist.

Which is of course why the remaining population is so dependent on Fed $ in all its forms. GOP just sawed a leg off that rickety stool.

 

[RalphTheCow]

Ok, let the backlash begin as this turd of a bill has been approved by the house.