Once again this election will prove racism is a white Republican problem. 2008, 2012 and now 2020

[blackangst1]

I mean, I haven't even responded to your transgenderphobia

Pfft. My thoughts on something are not based on fear. Thus, no phobia.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Pfft

What's wrong?

 

[blackangst1]

Sure, plenty. I'm sure you know that tho. Not sure how exactly that applies to my statement.

Such as? Piloting a plane? Scuba? Sky diving? Driving a car? What exactly?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Pfft. My thoughts on something are not based on fear. Thus, no phobia.

Sure, then you won't have any problem with it. Nobody is forcing anything on you.

 

[fskimospy]

A study in CA has nothing to do with:

1. Japan's suicide rate is twice that of the US per capita, with no guns.
2. The reason behind most suicides in Japan are similar to those in the US.
3. Eliminating guns in America wont significantly cause the largest loss of life from suicide to go down (people will find a way)

1) The fact that the largest state in the US displays a strong relationship between gun ownership and suicide indicates that your comparison case of Japan has a large number of variables you are not controlling for. In short, it means your comparison is crap.

2) The reasons given for suicide means nothing as to their FREQUENCY, which is what we are trying to measure here.

3) This is false, as already shown to you. If you would like more empirical evidence that shows similar things I can provide reams to you. Or is your argument seriously that all these doctors and researchers from all across America have been wasting their time all these years because they didn't know about suicides in Japan like you do? That seems to be your argument, which is breathtaking.

 

[blackangst1]

Sure, then you won't have any problem with it. Nobody is forcing anything on you.

Of course. I can still disagree. As can you or anyone else.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Such as? Piloting a plane? Scuba? Sky diving? Driving a car? What exactly?

You just named some, good job. Get on with it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Of course. I can still disagree. As can you or anyone else.

Sure, and 'Murica agrees with you also so far, as you've offered no explanation for your "disagreement" with someone else's choice in a free country.

 

[blackangst1]

You just named some, good job. Get on with it.

OK so you agree with more training these things get less dangerous, right?

 

[ch33zw1z]

OK so you agree with more training these things get less dangerous, right?

Yep.

 

[zinfamous]

Lol the amount of brain cells you have to lack to say something as asinine as racism being a "Republican problem" is just roll on the floor laugh-worthy.

As if all the Democrats of racist Jim-crow era times MAGICALLY all shape-shifted Republican - including any and all democrats of the northern states.

Politically they did, dumb ass. It's like history means nothing to you. pretending that dixiecrats > republicans never happened doesn't make it true. But hey, keep on with yourself believing that if 10% of democrats are racist and 70% of republicans are, that it's really a bothsides! issue.

You guys are too fucking weak to think. It's unbelievable.

 

[blackangst1]

Sure, and 'Murica agrees with you also so far, as you've offered no explanation for your "disagreement" with someone else's choice in a free country.

Im not going down this rabbit hole, in this thread.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Im not going down this rabbit hole, in this thread.

lol, whatever. I'm not very curious what your take is anyways. I prefer not to push my conservative influence on others. Let it be.

 

[blackangst1]

Yep.

Good. Then logically you must agree one is safer with a gun with training. In fact, more so with my opinion that if there is a gun in the house everyone in the house should have proper training.

More training, less accidents. I realize accidental shootings are rare, but a life is a life.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Good. Then logically you must agree one is safer with a gun with training. In fact, more so with my opinion that if there is a gun in the house everyone in the house should have proper training.

More training, less accidents. I realize accidental shootings are rare, but a life is a life.

Except that's not what is required. Do you vote R because you think they will do something like that? I mean, I'm all for it, coupled with mental health screenings. Otherwise it could just make things worse. You'll have to provide more details as to what this training is comprised of.

 

[blackangst1]

1) The fact that the largest state in the US displays a strong relationship between gun ownership and suicide indicates that your comparison case of Japan has a large number of variables you are not controlling for. In short, it means your comparison is crap.

2) The reasons given for suicide means nothing as to their FREQUENCY, which is what we are trying to measure here.

3) This is false, as already shown to you. If you would like more empirical evidence that shows similar things I can provide reams to you. Or is your argument seriously that all these doctors and researchers from all across America have been wasting their time all these years because they didn't know about suicides in Japan like you do? That seems to be your argument, which is breathtaking.

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

The facts do not support the Washington Post argument that stricter gun control will lower U.S. suicide rates 20-38 percent.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[obidamnkenobi]

The problem though is, for example, if I say in regards to the 2A, that in many places in the US gun laws are too restrictive,

Genuinely curious, but what are some of these gun laws around the US that are too restrictive? I don't follow this so don't know. I know e.g. chicago and NYC have some restrictions? In what way are they unduly burdensome? I think most sane people agree you shouldn't be allowed to carry a loaded M60 or a rocket launcher around Time's square right? So it's just a matter of degree you think the restrictions in these places are "unfair"?

And somewhat important; how many 2A enthusiast live in those places? Usually it's voted in by the local populace. If some people want to keep a loaded hunting rifle in their truck that's one thing, but whether they live in rural Alabama or Manhattan that does make a difference does it not? IMO there are regional difference that changes the dynamic of guns, so a blanked "all guns, everywhere" is ok in some places, but nuts in others..

ps: Yes I see the "local voters" argument can (and has) been used to defend banning gays etc. But being gay is something you "are". A gun is something you "have"..

 

[fskimospy]

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

The facts do not support the Washington Post argument that stricter gun control will lower U.S. suicide rates 20-38 percent.

www.psychologytoday.com

Is there any reason you are responding to empirical, peer reviewed research with a 5 paragraph, non-reviewed opinion piece from a source that has published other opinion articles such as (and I'm not kidding) "Why Are Black Women Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women?"

The guy you cite is doing the same thing you are, looking at descriptive statistics and not even making a cursory effort to control for confounds. What we do know is that -in America- owning a gun makes you more likely to die by suicide. Since we live in America, that seems like the important relationship.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Except that's not what is required. Do you vote R because you think they will do something like that? I mean, I'm all for it, coupled with mental health screenings. Otherwise it could just make things worse. You'll have to provide more details as to what this training is comprised of.

I don't quite understand the point of the person you're responding too. Mental health screenings, training are things the Dems might support, and which the NRA/GOP fiercely oppose. So how exactly does this person agree with the GOP gun policy, but is opposed to the Dem one? What are the sticking points? I don't remember any mainstream Dem candidate proposing much more than more screening for gun purchases? (mental health, criminal record etc) These sound like things blackangst would support??

 

[blackangst1]

Except that's not what is required. Do you vote R because you think they will do something like that? I mean, I'm all for it, coupled with mental health screenings. Otherwise it could just make things worse. You'll have to provide more details as to what this training is comprised of.

Well, first of all, rarely are firearm issues on the ballot. I understand D's want to de-stigmatize mental health, but strictly in regards to gun laws, what have they submitted for proposal other than a national mental health database (which doesnt exist BTW)? A database does nothing.

Both parties majority support an assault weapons ban which will do nothing but make a small dent in prevention of gun deaths, if at all. So no. I dont vote R because I think they will do what *I* feel is the responsible thing. But on gun issues, neither do I vote D.

 

[blackangst1]

Is there any reason you are responding to empirical, peer reviewed research with a 5 paragraph, non-reviewed opinion piece from a source that has published other opinion articles such as (and I'm not kidding) "Why Are Black Women Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women?"

The guy you cite is doing the same thing you are, looking at descriptive statistics and not even making a cursory effort to control for confounds. What we do know is that -in America- owning a gun makes you more likely to die by suicide. Since we live in America, that seems like the important relationship.

Ive acknowledged this. Oh fun fact. Suicides by poisoning are more common for women in the US by a small margin over guns?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't quite understand the point of the person you're responding too. Mental health screenings, training are things the Dems might support, and which the NRA/GOP fiercely oppose. So how exactly does this person agree with the GOP gun policy, but is opposed to the Dem one? What are the sticking points? I don't remember any mainstream Dem candidate proposing much more than more screening for gun purchases? (mental health, criminal record etc) These sound like things blackangst would support??

So far, it's come down to he doesn't vote D or R on guns issues now. So who knows?

Well, first of all, rarely are firearm issues on the ballot. I understand D's want to de-stigmatize mental health, but strictly in regards to gun laws, what have they submitted for proposal other than a national mental health database (which doesnt exist BTW)? A database does nothing.

Both parties majority support an assault weapons ban which will do nothing but make a small dent in prevention of gun deaths, if at all. So no. I dont vote R because I think they will do what *I* feel is the responsible thing. But on gun issues, neither do I vote D.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you saying this issue is not something that you actually vote for? If not, let's move on to a topic that you do?

And FWIW, My state of MA has been campaigning all over the state for a good while now to remove the stigma for mental health and drug addiction. It's been good to see, and frankly has influenced me as well.

 

[blackangst1]

I don't quite understand the point of the person you're responding too. Mental health screenings, training are things the Dems might support, and which the NRA/GOP fiercely oppose. So how exactly does this person agree with the GOP gun policy, but is opposed to the Dem one? What are the sticking points? I don't remember any mainstream Dem candidate proposing much more than more screening for gun purchases? (mental health, criminal record etc) These sound like things blackangst would support??

You know youre wrong about this, right?

NRA-ILA | Mental Health and Firearms

Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the...

www.nraila.org

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Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.”
More recently, the NRA has supported legislation to ensure that appropriate records of those who have been judged mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to mental institutions be made available for use in firearms transfer background checks. The NRA will support any reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental health system without intruding on the constitutional rights of Americans.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Actions speak louder than words. This is just one link:

NRA spent $1.6 million lobbying against background check expansion laws in months leading up to latest mass shootings

Calls for tougher background checks and gun control in general have increased yet again in the wake of three mass shootings in California, Texas and Ohio that have left more than 30 people dead.

www.cnbc.com

NRA-ILA | Background Checks | NICS

Federal law requires all firearm dealers to be licensed and to initiate a background check before transferring a firearm to a non-dealer,regardless of where the transfer takes place. Background checks for firearms have been conducted through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System...

www.nraila.org

 

[fskimospy]

Actions speak louder than words. This is just one link:

NRA spent $1.6 million lobbying against background check expansion laws in months leading up to latest mass shootings

Calls for tougher background checks and gun control in general have increased yet again in the wake of three mass shootings in California, Texas and Ohio that have left more than 30 people dead.

www.cnbc.com

To be clear they appear to support mental health checks for the purchase of a gun, they just oppose eliminating the incredibly easy means by which a mentally ill person could evade that check.

Really though, who cares what the NRA thinks, even conservatives? It turned out that they have been stealing their donors' money by the fistfuls for years, laughing at them all the way. If I had ever donated to them I would be incredibly pissed.