Once again, a brave cop goes home tonight

[Genx87]

whats even sadder is that most Americans are not outraged by this ever increasing over militarization of the police who were employed to protect and serve.

i guess if it doesn't affect you personally then it's okay.

Once the cops go after white middle class America the tune will change.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Once the cops go after white middle class America the tune will change.

Not as long as they can keep finding ways to make us 'Other'.

He is not like me, he is a poor man.
He is not like me, he is a black man.
He is not like me, he is a radical hippy.
He is not like me, he is a Atheist.
He is not like me, he is a Protestant.
He is not like me, he is a Democrat.
He is not like me, he is free.

 

[werepossum]

no, he's lucky to have had it video taped as surely that cop would have lied to cover his ass about that shooting and that poor schmuck would be in jail with charges filed against him.

If I was a large young black man, my body and my car would be covered in cameras. Maybe get one of those camera-equipped quadrotors I can program to circle me . . .

Not as long as they can keep finding ways to make us 'Other'.

He is not like me, he is a poor man.
He is not like me, he is a black man.
He is not like me, he is a radical hippy.
He is not like me, he is a Atheist.
He is not like me, he is a Protestant.
He is not like me, he is a Democrat.
He is not like me, he is free.

+1

 

[Linux23]

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-theres-evidence-charge-cleveland-officers-205458759.html

judge ruled that there is enough evidence to charge police.


your move prosecutor. your move.

 

[Subyman]

Just think how many song birds and squirrels he saved by taking out that 12yo with a pellet gun.

 

[Blanky]

Says his partner could be charged as well.

I think conviction on this is going to be very difficult. If the court believes that tamir did draw his pellet gun when told to put his hands up (looks questionable he had time to do so), then the shooting would be completely justified. Basically a lot of hte case is going to rely on that terrible video.

 

[BeeBoop]

no finger near the trigger.



same




the first one is hard to tell but the second one nope.

also other than the third picture maybe even not they most likely aren't loaded.

Old post but first time I read your reply. You are probably not a gun owner and if you are, you are ignorant on gun safety. You are never suppose to point a gun at anyone, including yourself, even if the gun is unloaded or the safety is on. Accidents happen and getting shot in the face is not an accident that one walks away from. Common sense right? Watch the video below.


TL DR (Video): Hand does not need to be on the trigger for the gun to fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDfBmLqnio


BTW, the video is real. See the recall of this model gun below as proof.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/04/20/winchester-shotgun-recall/26078797/


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[davmat787]

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-theres-evidence-charge-cleveland-officers-205458759.html

judge ruled that there is enough evidence to charge police.


your move prosecutor. your move.

In the increasing scrutiny and coverage of police officers and modern day law enforcement methods, to me it seems like prosecutors and the judiciary are often overlooked in regards to the roles they play in the problem of policing and accountability.

I know police officers and prosecutors often work closely out of necessity due to the nature of their work, so it stands to reason prosecutors perhaps overlooking evidence or simply choosing not to press charges against the officers they work with. Like the concept of internal affairs, using local prosecutors to decide whether or not to press charges when warranted seems like a huge conflict of interest.

I've often floated the idea of a new FBI unit dedicated to investigating police officers and departments when circumstances call for it, perhaps a state unit of prosecutors dedicated to the issue is also necessary.

 

[davmat787]

whats even sadder is that most Americans are not outraged by this ever increasing over militarization of the police who were employed to protect and serve.

i guess if it doesn't affect you personally then it's okay.

To me it seems like most people are cluing in to the problems more than ever, albeit slower than we would probably like. Your average suburban soccer mom type family may not be personally impacted, but I don't think they can claim ignorance any more due to the increasing media coverage and videos from bystanders.

Just need to remind people that the increasing militarization of police creates a war mentality and ask them just who are the enemies of the police when they go to war every day? The general public is of course.

Many simply won't care about the problem or view it favorably due to their comfortable living situation, favoring a fake security over what it has coated society.

In short, I think enough are cluing in to create a critical mass in the next 5 years, but there is an unfortunate segment of the population that are ambivalent or favorable to the militarization of the police, probably buying in to the mystique built by modern police dramas. That is worse than being clueless to the problem.

And boycott police shows!

 

[Subyman]

The sad part about this is that no one was immediately in harms way. If he had the gun to a hostage's head then action would need to be taken or a negotiator brought in. If he's sitting alone on a picnic table with no one around then there is no need to roll up heavy, stop short, and blaze the kid down. They set up a situation, even if he did draw the gun, to where they fostered the negative reaction.

They should have pulled up and used their speaker to tell the kid to put down his weapon. They should have waited for back up especially since it was a weapons call. They should have surrounded the area and isolated the scene. Instead, the cop acted like a soldier.

 

[davmat787]

The sad part about this is that no one was immediately in harms way. If he had the gun to a hostage's head then action would need to be taken or a negotiator brought in. If he's sitting alone on a picnic table with no one around then there is no need to roll up heavy, stop short, and blaze the kid down. They set up a situation, even if he did draw the gun, to where they fostered the negative reaction.

They should have pulled up and used their speaker to tell the kid to put down his weapon. They should have waited for back up especially since it was a weapons call. They should have surrounded the area and isolated the scene. Instead, the cop acted like a soldier.

To me it speaks to the modern police mentality that places virtually no value on de-escalation and instead values absolute domination of every situation coupled with the knowledge that the chances of them being held accountable regardless of their actions is extremely unlikely. It's a recipe for disaster, and that's what happened once again.

 

[xBiffx]

I've often floated the idea of a new FBI unit dedicated to investigating police officers and departments when circumstances call for it, perhaps a state unit of prosecutors dedicated to the issue is also necessary.

The Department of Justice had its chance to do just that. But instead of actually looking for misconduct on the part of police, they set out looking for the white boogeyman. They showed how impartial they could be investigating these types of matters.

 

[master_shake_]

Old post but first time I read your reply. You are probably not a gun owner and if you are, you are ignorant on gun safety. You are never suppose to point a gun at anyone, including yourself, even if the gun is unloaded or the safety is on. Accidents happen and getting shot in the face is not an accident that one walks away from. Common sense right? Watch the video below.


TL DR (Video): Hand does not need to be on the trigger for the gun to fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsDfBmLqnio


BTW, the video is real. See the recall of this model gun below as proof.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/04/20/winchester-shotgun-recall/26078797/


.

did those guns have floating firing pins?

 

[rudeguy]

did those guns have floating firing pins?

No.

The last I read on it, the accidental discharge happened when the gun was loaded with a smaller round than it was designed for AND a particular sequence of engaging the safety and loading the gun were followed. It was another case of people trying to get their guns to accidentally discharge.

EDIT:

The page I read that on a couple months ago no longer exists. So this may not be true.

 

[master_shake_]

No.

The last I read on it, the accidental discharge happened when the gun was loaded with a smaller round than it was designed for AND a particular sequence of engaging the safety and loading the gun were followed. It was another case of people trying to get their guns to accidentally discharge.

EDIT:

The page I read that on a couple months ago no longer exists. So this may not be true.

so what was it?

 

[rudeguy]

so what was it?

http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/model-1200-warning-notice.aspx

 

[Blanky]

To me it speaks to the modern police mentality that places virtually no value on de-escalation and instead values absolute domination of every situation coupled with the knowledge that the chances of them being held accountable regardless of their actions is extremely unlikely. It's a recipe for disaster, and that's what happened once again.

Agree completely. It is also important that there be a national group that only chases down bad cops legally because the current approach isn't working.

 

[davmat787]

Agree completely. It is also important that there be a national group that only chases down bad cops legally because the current approach isn't working.

I've mentioned this many times, and did so in another thread yesterday or this morning, but I think a new FBI division should be created that is dedicated to investigating police and police departments when warranted. If a corresponding group within the DOJ is needed to prosecute cases so be it.

This could also benefit officers and police departments when an investigation clears them, with the public having more confidence in the abilities and impartiality of s dedicated FBI department than a department investigating itself. Internal affairs and the concept of police policing themselves is probably one of the root causes of any modern police problem we face today.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In order to do this it would take changes in federal/states laws and possibly the US Constitution. It would be better if each state had a department within it's own Bureau of Investigation that handled such investigations.

 

[rudeguy]

In order to do this it would take changes in federal/states laws and possibly the US Constitution. It would be better if each state had a department within it's own Bureau of Investigation that handled such investigations.

I'm in favor of the smallest federal government possible but I disagree on this point. Police violating civil rights is and should be a federal matter. I think there should be a department whether it be the FBI, DHS, DOD, ABCQXI, I don't care about the letters, but there should be a department who only investigates police violating civil rights. Whether its injuring or killing a civilian or whether its illegal detainment, violating 4th, 5th and 1st Amendment rights, every violation should be taken extremely serious.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Police violating civil rights is and should be a federal matter

Never said it shouldn't be a federal matter. Using the FBI to investigate police for state matters would require changes to the laws and possibly the US Constitution. State's matters should be handled by the states.

 

[Blackjack200]

Never said it shouldn't be a federal matter. Using the FBI to investigate police for state matters would require changes to the laws and possibly the US Constitution. State's matters should be handled by the states.

Violation of Civil Rights is not a "state matter" as my late good friend Democrat George Wallace could've told you.

 

[bshole]

The law should be changed. The cops have to be in actual danger to justify a shooting. If they aren't in actual danger at shooting time, they are charged with a felony crime.... every time. No more of this I feared for my life shit.

 

[davmat787]

While I may agree we have seen many examples of police being a tad quick on the draw, how would you define "actual danger", as you put it, in a legally challengeable manner?

 

[rudeguy]

The law should be changed. The cops have to be in actual danger to justify a shooting. If they aren't in actual danger at shooting time, they are charged with a felony crime.... every time. No more of this I feared for my life shit.

ITS NOT JUST THE SHOOTINGS.


The police are trained to trample on our civil rights. They are trained to treat us as enemies. Even if by the grace of God they don't shoot you, they for sure are not going to uphold and defend the Constitution as they swore to do. Don't focus on one tiny part of the problem. Forget the made up racism arguments. Look at the real, big problem.