Ohio Early Voting Will No Longer Take Place On Sundays, Weekday Evenings

[Moonbeam]

As Democrats are against Republican votes....will the circle be unbroken? Please don't forget the 2000 election and Democrat's disgusting attempts to disenfranchise the overseas military vote in Florida.

Oh Jesus. Every honest person knows that there were more folk in Florida that wanted Gore than Bush and that the election was stolen by many dirty tricks, not least of which was the theft and disaster the Supreme Coup caused by voting 5 to 4 to elect the asshole who destroyed the Nation. We haven't recovered yet from that fuck and hundreds of thousands of people are dead and we have masses of veterans who still can't get proper care. But what's not to like about conservative brain defectives, you may ask.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Oh Jesus. Every honest person knows that there were more folk in Florida that wanted Gore than Bush and that the election was stolen by many dirty tricks, not least of which was the theft and disaster the Supreme Coup caused by voting 5 to 4 to elect the asshole who destroyed the Nation. We haven't recovered yet from that fuck and hundreds of thousands of people are dead and we have masses of veterans who still can't get proper care. But what's not to like about conservative brain defectives, you may ask.

So it appears that you do think it's OK to actively seek to disenfranchise the vote of those who serve overseas in our military.

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/ohio-early-voting_n_4855834.html

Is there a legitimate counter-argument to this or does it just seem that the Republicans are trying the rig the rules?

So basically..

Early voting only during normal business hours for the average working stiff...

put another way...

You can only early vote during the time when you're most likely obligated to be somewhere else... like your JOB!

Tell me again how this benefits Republicans?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I always wondered why they could get away with this nonsense. Well reading Boomerang, MAtt and Doc's posts it all makes sense.

These people are the same ones who wrap themselves in the flag, and profess their patriotism and love for country all while trying to willfully deny people their right to vote.

How do you guys defend that and call yourselves Americans?

And where did I ever say that I wanted to deny people their right to vote? You make shit up and then have the audacity to question my patriotism? You're an idiot if I ever saw one.

 

[TerryMathews]

Oh please.

I do think there is merit to the idea that disenfranchising an absentee military voter is "worse" than disenfranchising someone's preferred method of voting.

The service member lacks any other method of voting.

 

[emperus]

So basically..

Early voting only during normal business hours for the average working stiff...

put another way...

You can only early vote during the time when you're most likely obligated to be somewhere else... like your JOB!

Tell me again how this benefits Republicans?

Lower turnout generally benefits the Republicans. But, let me ask you then. Why make it harder to vote?

 

[emperus]

And where did I ever say that I wanted to deny people their right to vote? You make shit up and then have the audacity to question my patriotism? You're an idiot if I ever saw one.

You jumped in this thread with your false equivalencies. I call that enabling.

Anyhow, the first part was directed at you and the 2nd part was directed at those who wrap themselves in the flag while trying to deny others the right to vote. If you think I'm talking about you, then....

 

[emperus]

I do think there is merit to the idea that disenfranchising an absentee military voter is "worse" than disenfranchising someone's preferred method of voting.

The service member lacks any other method of voting.

Your reaching back a decade to rehash a story that wasn't black and white than in an effort to obfuscate.

Why don't you just comment on this story. Are you for or against this plan. If yay or nay, why?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh Jesus. Every honest person knows that there were more folk in Florida that wanted Gore than Bush and that the election was stolen by many dirty tricks, not least of which was the theft and disaster the Supreme Coup caused by voting 5 to 4 to elect the asshole who destroyed the Nation. We haven't recovered yet from that fuck and hundreds of thousands of people are dead and we have masses of veterans who still can't get proper care. But what's not to like about conservative brain defectives, you may ask.

Easy there. I'm no Bush fan but he was re-elected. Yes maybe Gore could have hung in longer for a complete recount but at the time he was not trending well and I feel he made the correct decisions at that time to concede.

 

[TerryMathews]

Your reaching back a decade to rehash a story that wasn't black and white than in an effort to obfuscate.

Why don't you just comment on this story. Are you for or against this plan. If yay or nay, why?

Personally, no I do not support this move unless it can be shown that the eliminated voting days are disproportionately expensive to operate vs the remaining voting days.

Personally, I do think it's a manoever to eliminate votes that statistically favor democrats.

Now will you do the honest thing and admit that Gore's team was using the same tactic.

If it is wrong now, certainly it was wrong then. You expect us to condemn the republicans when they behave badly. Time for you to lead by example.

 

[fskimospy]

I do think there is merit to the idea that disenfranchising an absentee military voter is "worse" than disenfranchising someone's preferred method of voting.

The service member lacks any other method of voting.

Nobody is saying that attempting to do that was okay. It was super shitty. I just find that one case of bad behavior does not equal a nationwide, systematic effort to create barriers to voting for unfriendly constituencies.

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

Lower turnout generally benefits the Republicans. But, let me ask you then. Why make it harder to vote?

No I'm with you.. why make it harder?.. for anyone? Make's absolutely no sense and I can't see how it benefits anyone or anything.

If it's a ploy by Republicans than it's a shitty idea that's probably going to backfire (which is perfectly fine with me... I abandoned all hope for that party long ago.. let the assholes go down with the ship and good riddance - now if only we could get the Democrats to drown on the same boat with them).

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You jumped in this thread with your false equivalencies. I call that enabling.

Anyhow, the first part was directed at you and the 2nd part was directed at those who wrap themselves in the flag while trying to deny others the right to vote. If you think I'm talking about you, then....

And I'm supposed to be a mind reader and somehow understand which parts of what you said was or wasn't directed towards me?

Anyway you plainly said that I wanted to deny people their right to vote. Where did I say that? Either show me or apologize for making up horseshit.

 

[Moonbeam]

Husted's directive reflects a proposal from the bipartisan Ohio Association of Election Officials....yet OP spins it as those damn Republicans trying to rig the rules. lol



http://www.toledoblade.com/State/2014/02/25/Ohio-elections-chief-sets-2014-voting-hours-days.html

Do you mean the Ohio Association of Election Officials, a bipartisan group of county election supervisors on which, in 2012, one of those officials, Doug Priesse, who headed the Franklin County Republican Party at the time, said he opposed early voting because it helped black voters access their ballots?

http://colorlines.com/archives/2012...rly_voting_should_not_accommodate_blacks.html

 

[boomerang]

Ah, we've now reached the straw grasping stage. Always an interesting time.

 

[Jhhnn]

*To Republicans, Democrats are their friends across the aisle. Democrats consider Republicans to be the "enemy".
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That's beyond trite & dishonest. Anybody who even entertains such a notion is delusional.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do you mean the Ohio Association of Election Officials, a bipartisan group of county election supervisors on which, in 2012, one of those officials, Doug Priesse, who headed the Franklin County Republican Party at the time, said he opposed early voting because it helped black voters access their ballots?

http://colorlines.com/archives/2012...rly_voting_should_not_accommodate_blacks.html

Ah...I get it...that's the "real" reason this bipartisan group wanted to cut the in-person early voting period from 35 to 29 days. They're all just racists masquerading as a "bipartisan" group in order to bullshit us by saying they need uniform voting hours within the State to avoid legal challenges if some counties set longer voting periods than others...which courts would likely deem to be unfair under equal protection grounds. Those sneaky bastards!

There are 22 States in the U.S. that don't allow any in-person early voting...are these States all run by racist "bipartisans" as well? Also, of the 28 States that do allow in-person voting, very few allow more than 15 days. The 29 days being proposed for Ohio doesn't seem highly unreasonable to me. But hey...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

http://www.longdistancevoter.org/early_voting_rules

 

[boomerang]

Ah...I get it...that's the "real" reason this bipartisan group wanted to cut the in-person early voting period from 35 to 29 days. They're all just racists masquerading as a "bipartisan" group in order to bullshit us by saying they need uniform voting hours within the State to avoid legal challenges if some counties set longer voting periods than others...which courts would likely deem to be unfair under equal protection grounds. Those sneaky bastards!

There are 22 States in the U.S. that don't allow any in-person early voting...are these States all run by racist "bipartisans" as well? Also, of the 28 States that do allow in-person voting, very few allow more than 15 days. The 29 days being proposed for Ohio doesn't seem highly unreasonable to me. But hey...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

http://www.longdistancevoter.org/early_voting_rules

Speaking of hammers, how much longer do you think this will have to beat into their skulls before they get it?

I live in a blue state that does not allow early voting. A blue state, can you believe that shit?! I know there are a lot of racists here too. Just look at Detroit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/03/03/704153/-Detroit-City-Council-Meeting-Whitey-Go-Home

At one City Council Meeting, the crowd chanted for "Whites to GO HOME".

 

[emperus]

Ah...I get it...that's the "real" reason this bipartisan group wanted to cut the in-person early voting period from 35 to 29 days. They're all just racists masquerading as a "bipartisan" group in order to bullshit us by saying they need uniform voting hours within the State to avoid legal challenges if some counties set longer voting periods than others...which courts would likely deem to be unfair under equal protection grounds. Those sneaky bastards!

There are 22 States in the U.S. that don't allow any in-person early voting...are these States all run by racist "bipartisans" as well? Also, of the 28 States that do allow in-person voting, very few allow more than 15 days. The 29 days being proposed for Ohio doesn't seem highly unreasonable to me. But hey...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

http://www.longdistancevoter.org/early_voting_rules

Help me understand two things.

1.) If you had 6 hour waits during the last election, one would think you would increase not cut the voting hours right? So why would u cut them?

2.) If the election is held on a Tues. And you have 28 voting days before hand. Why would you end the early voting the Sunday before that Tues? Why not just make it 24 and give 2, 14 hour voting days (8 to 10pm) the Sunday and Monday before the election?

I'm sure you have reasonable answers for those questions.

 

[emperus]

Personally, no I do not support this move unless it can be shown that the eliminated voting days are disproportionately expensive to operate vs the remaining voting days.

Personally, I do think it's a manoever to eliminate votes that statistically favor democrats.

Now will you do the honest thing and admit that Gore's team was using the same tactic.

If it is wrong now, certainly it was wrong then. You expect us to condemn the republicans when they behave badly. Time for you to lead by example.

As I remember, when I first heard about it I thought it was wrong. But then when I researched the story, I believe the issue were military votes that came in after the election had been called. They were actually questioning the validity of those votes as they thought shenanigans had been going on. But team Rove played it as Gore not wanting to let the military vote.

What would you have done to "mailed votes" that came to being after a contested election. Would you just accept them all as valid. It screamed fraud. Which brings me back to this conversation and why Republicans who have been hyping voter ID, want to make the system less secure.


Anyhow, like, I said it wasn't a black and white issue then. Rove and CO. pulled a lot of shenanigans. Like the group of "protesters" who stormed the ballot counting location were actually payed Republican staffers. Just pretty underhanded.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Help me understand two things.

1.) If you had 6 hour waits during the last election, one would think you would increase not cut the voting hours right? So why would u cut them?

2.) If the election is held on a Tues. And you have 28 voting days before hand. Why would you end the early voting the Sunday before that Tues? Why not just make it 24 and give 2, 14 hour voting days (8 to 10pm) the Sunday and Monday before the election?

I'm sure you have reasonable answers for those questions.

How about a reasonable answer to my previous question to you...where did I ever say I wanted to deny people their right to vote?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Interesting study by Pew Research related to this subject.

Study: Early voting associated with lower turnout

Reformers hate it when this happens: The country’s most widely adopted reform designed to make voting easier may lower the chances that an individual voter will go to the polls, according to a new study to be published in an upcoming issue of the American Journal of Political Science.

“The most popular reform—early voting—is actually associated with lower turnout when it is implemented by itself,” according to the University of Wisconsin team of political scientists who studied state voting patterns in the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections. “This result upends the conventional view that anything that makes voting easier will raise turnout.”

Controlling for other factors that predict an individual’s probability of voting, these researchers found that early voting appears to “lower the likelihood of turnout by three to four percentage points” compared with the probability in 15 states that do not allow early voting or had not implemented other voting reforms.

These early-voting states included some of the largest and most politically important, among them Ohio, Florida, Texas and New Jersey. (They did not include Oregon and Washington, two vote-by-mail states, among their early-voting states because “they have unusual mail-in-balloting rules.&#8221

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/23/study-early-voting-associated-with-lower-turnout/

 

[emperus]

How about a reasonable answer to my previous question to you...where did I ever say I wanted to deny people their right to vote?

Tell me why you would support cutting back voting hours when in the last election some people waited 6+ hours to vote. That is your answer.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Tell me why you would support cutting back voting hours when in the last election some people waited 6+ hours to vote. That is your answer.

That does not answer my question. You lied about what I said and exhibit a total lack of integrity by not admitting it. I'm not going to play your games.

 

[Matt1970]

Speaking of hammers, how much longer do you think this will have to beat into their skulls before they get it?

I live in a blue state that does not allow early voting. A blue state, can you believe that shit?! I know there are a lot of racists here too. Just look at Detroit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/03/03/704153/-Detroit-City-Council-Meeting-Whitey-Go-Home

At one City Council Meeting, the crowd chanted for "Whites to GO HOME".

Same here.