Ohio Early Voting Will No Longer Take Place On Sundays, Weekday Evenings

[Moonbeam]

Do you also consider those who actively engage in suppressing the overseas military vote to be traitors as well?

I view all immoral action as a manifestation of self hate, the presence of emotional needs that are ego identity based, the delusion created by ego that the means justify the end, that one is entitled to grab the one ring of power. I believe, furthermore, that to engage is such ego based immoral actions is an open confession to the world that one has taken ones feelings of worthlessness, acted them out, and thus made them real. I believe, thus, that those with real self respect let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I view all immoral action as a manifestation of self hate, the presence of emotional needs that are ego identity based, the delusion created by ego that the means justify the end, that one is entitled to grab the one ring of power. I believe, furthermore, that to engage is such ego based immoral actions is an open confession to the world that one has taken ones feelings of worthlessness, acted them out, and thus made them real. I believe, thus, that those with real self respect let the chips fall where they may.

Is it an immoral action to reduce the number of early voting days from 35 to 29? Is it an immoral action to prohibit early voting? Is it an immoral inaction to not increase early voting from 15 days to 35 days? Do you see what I'm getting at? And lastly, is it an immoral to provide any early in-person voting at all since research shows it actually happens to lower voter turnout?

There is so much gray here it's mind boggling....yet Dems can't stand the thought that a "bipartisan" group (which is obviously code for racist Republicans among the brain dead) could make such a blatantly racist decision. The amusing part is how the Left frames this and gets their collective panties in a bunch over such a relatively minor change while throwing in the racist card to boot. I imagine having an underdeveloped amygdala makes one less able to see the irrationality of one's fears.

 

[HomerJS]

Is it an immoral action to reduce the number of early voting days from 35 to 29? Is it an immoral action to prohibit early voting? Is it an immoral inaction to not increase early voting from 15 days to 35 days? Do you see what I'm getting at? And lastly, is it an immoral to provide any early in-person voting at all since research shows it actually happens to lower voter turnout?

There is so much gray here it's mind boggling....yet Dems can't stand the thought that a "bipartisan" group (which is obviously code for racist Republicans among the brain dead) could make such a blatantly racist decision. The amusing part is how the Left frames this and gets their collective panties in a bunch over such a relatively minor change while throwing in the racist card to boot. I imagine having an underdeveloped amygdala makes one less able to see the irrationality of one's fears.

its immoral to wait in line 7 hours to vote.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

its immoral to wait in line 7 hours to vote.

No argument here. Are you having trouble understanding what I'm actually saying?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If one has to wait 7 hours to vote then there's either issues with the ballots (too long or difficult to understand), voting machines including number of machines, polling staffing, and/or a combination of all.

I've never had to wait more than 45 minutes to vote in either Virginia or Texas. Less than 15 minutes when voting early.

 

[Moonbeam]

Is it an immoral action to reduce the number of early voting days from 35 to 29? Is it an immoral action to prohibit early voting? Is it an immoral inaction to not increase early voting from 15 days to 35 days? Do you see what I'm getting at? And lastly, is it an immoral to provide any early in-person voting at all since research shows it actually happens to lower voter turnout?

There is so much gray here it's mind boggling....yet Dems can't stand the thought that a "bipartisan" group (which is obviously code for racist Republicans among the brain dead) could make such a blatantly racist decision. The amusing part is how the Left frames this and gets their collective panties in a bunch over such a relatively minor change while throwing in the racist card to boot. I imagine having an underdeveloped amygdala makes one less able to see the irrationality of one's fears.

I am biased. I have been programmed by countless examples offered up to me by liberal media that Republicans are out to reduce the number of the poor, especially poor blacks, who vote. It started with the Nazi Pat Buchanan winning the Jewish vote and all the hanging chad shit in Florida, Jeb's promise his brother that Florida would be delivered, and now with the crap about fraudulent voters and voting by the dead, endless horse shit tricks and lies by the right to suppress and steal the vote. I have as they say, become once bitten twice shy. I fucking don't think Republicans are up to anything else than voter suppression in all of their attempts to control everything about how we vote. I believe they are genuine real fucking swine. The only real difference I see between how I see things and how I see how Republicans see things is that I can change my mind.

I believe you are hiding behind what looks reasonable, and that the person you are hiding from is yourself. The evidence of voter suppression just seems to me to be so fucking clear. I have trouble, therefore, giving anybody else any credit for a counter point of view. I am deeply biased that Republicans are actively out to steal elections by perverting the actual will of the people and that they think they are right to do so, that the opinions of certain people are worthless. Once you have written off the 47% the next step is to keep them from the polls.

How about I start saying that the obvious cure for this is black folk patrolling the polling places with guns. That should keep a few of the white racist conservative scum away.

 

[HomerJS]

No argument here. Are you having trouble understanding what I'm actually saying?

I was just addressing the morality issue.

My biggest problem is all the voting changes have 2 things in common.

Despite the false claim of protecting against voter fraud

They are all designed to lower turnout.
They all disproportionately effect the same group of people.

We need nationwide standards. Perhaps a constitutional amendment protecting every citizens right to vote.

 

[Jhhnn]

Another thread about how the white people are oppressing blacks.

What's tomorrow's topic?

Which, of course, has never happened in this country. And never will again, if "Conservatives" can just redefine obvious racism as "Not racism".

Whatever the motivations behind these changes, I think that vote suppressionists lose because every registered voter gets a mail in ballot.

Vote suppression is a cowardly & shameful thing, an admission by those in power that they don't deserve to be there in the first place, that they will lie cheat & steal to stay there, that the principles of Democracy don't apply to them. That's true regardless of whatever kind of doublespeak wrapper is put around it. It means that they're afraid of the electorate, whatever segment they choose to suppress, anyway.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I was just addressing the morality issue.

My biggest problem is all the voting changes have 2 things in common.

Despite the false claim of protecting against voter fraud

They are all designed to lower turnout.
They all disproportionately effect the same group of people.

We need nationwide standards. Perhaps a constitutional amendment protecting every citizens right to vote.

I would prefer to see nationwide standards as well...but the irony here is this is exactly what Ohio is proposing on a statewide basis in their attempt reasonably balance the needs of both urban and rural voters.

 

[emperus]

Tell me something...do you think it would be acceptable for Republican poll watchers to be provided with detailed instructions on all the numerous ways possible to actively suppress the urban vote (and other Democratic stronghold areas) and not apply this "oversight" in Republican dominated regions of the State? Would you be OK with this?

I've already went down one rabbit hole with your "Dems are suppressing the military vote" comment. When I posted articles contradicting you, you didn't admit you were wrong or even acknowledge it. You just moved on.

So, no thank you. If you are trying to make a point about the thread topic, fine. Else, not interested in discussing whatever new propaganda someone fed you.

 

[TerryMathews]

How about I start saying that the obvious cure for this is black folk patrolling the polling places with guns. That should keep a few of the white racist conservative scum away.

TIL that Moonie and BShole are the same person.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I've already went down one rabbit hole with your "Dems are suppressing the military vote" comment. When I posted articles contradicting you, you didn't admit you were wrong or even acknowledge it. You just moved on.

So, no thank you. If you are trying to make a point about the thread topic, fine. Else, not interested in discussing whatever new propaganda someone fed you.

I'm trying to make a point specifically related to the thread topic. I asked you a very simple question, please answer and I promise to make my response relevant to the topic.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

TIL that Moonie and BShole are the same person.

No way...they're at the opposing ends of the IQ spectrum.

 

[emperus]

I'm trying to make a point specifically related to the thread topic. I asked you a very simple question, please answer and I promise to make my response relevant to the topic.

Begin by admitting you were spouting propaganda and then we can move on.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Begin by admitting you were spouting propaganda and then we can move on.

What did I specifically say that you perceived as propaganda?

 

[emperus]

What did I specifically say that you perceived as propaganda?

What we were discussing here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36116728&postcount=96

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What we were discussing here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36116728&postcount=96

That wasn't propaganda...it's was the truth. Earlier in this thread eskimospy acknowledged this truth and also stated that Repubilicans used similar tactics as well. Do you want me to show you the 5 page instructions used by all Democratic poll watchers in Florida to specifically suppress the overseas military vote? Now please answer my question so we can move on.

 

[emperus]

That wasn't propaganda...it's was the truth. Earlier in this thread eskimospy acknowledged this truth and also stated that Repubilicans used similar tactics as well. Do you want me to show you the 5 page instructions used by all Democratic poll watchers in Florida to specifically suppress the overseas military vote? Now please answer my question so we can move on.

If you can explain to me what that has to do with changing voting hours in Ohio. I assume since these soldiers are out of the country, they wouldn't be affected by these changes to the poll stations.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If you can explain to me what that has to do with changing voting hours in FLorida. I assume since these soldiers are out of the country, they wouldn't be affected by these changes to the poll stations.

It has nothing to do with changing the voting hours in Florida.

 

[emperus]

It has nothing to do with changing the voting hours in Florida.

I meant Ohio. But, I assume ur answer is the same.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I meant Ohio. But, I assume ur answer is the same.

Yep.

 

[Matt1970]

Begin by admitting you were spouting propaganda and then we can move on.

Ironic. Your whole thread is propaganda and this whole argument was destroyed in post 14.

 

[boomerang]

Ironic. Your whole thread is propaganda and this whole argument was destroyed in post 14.

He's just not going to let go of this. He's got his teeth in it, his jaw is locked and he's shaking his head too and fro. It seems that he's convinced that through these Forums, he will change the voting process in Ohio. Bless his little heart.

At what point does passion become obsession?

 

[emperus]

Ironic. Your whole thread is propaganda and this whole argument was destroyed in post 14.

Did you mean this post?

IDK why they cut the hours/days, but not sure it's any hardship. See this:



They're sending absentee ballots to ALL voters?

Not sure how that makes it hard to cheat.

Fern

1.) You do know absentee ballot request forms are not absentee ballot forms. Right?

2.) You do know the law makes it illegal for anyone to send an unrequested absentee ballot form right?

The secretary of state may mail unsolicited applications for absent voter's ballots to individuals only for a general election and only if the general assembly has made an appropriation for that particular mailing. Under no other circumstance shall a public office, or a public official or employee who is acting in an official capacity, mail unsolicited applications for absent voter's ballots to any individuals.

3.) And you do know that in 2012 they also mailed everyone absentee ballot request forms and some counties even mailed actual absentee ballot forms and yet there were still 7 hour wait times. Yet, they decided to cut the voting hours and made sure no counties sent out unsolicited absentee ballot forms this year. That makes sense to you?


But you don't know all that. But that doesn't stop you from defending a bill you haven't even read. I wonder why that is?

Instead of destroying my argument you seem to have you just made yourself look a little bit more silly.. Again.

 

[Matt1970]

Did you mean this post?



1.) You do know absentee ballot request forms are not absentee ballot forms. Right?

2.) You do know the law makes it illegal for anyone to send an unrequested absentee ballot form right?
3.) And you do know that in 2012 they also mailed everyone absentee ballot request forms and some counties even mailed actual absentee ballot forms and yet there were still 7 hour wait times. Yet, they decided to cut the voting hours and made sure no counties sent out unsolicited absentee ballot forms this year. That makes sense to you?


But you don't know all that. But that doesn't stop you from defending a bill you haven't even read. I wonder why that is?

Instead of destroying my argument you seem to have you just made yourself look a little bit more silly.. Again.

Good lord son, 4 weeks of early voting and then voting day. You know how many days we get in NY? 1. Not one early day and election day, we get one day to vote here. And I don't think you understood what you quoted. Voter suppression is not only not found here, it's a complete joke. But good luck in your fight. Lord knows people need 4 weeks of being able to vote on Sundays to get their vote in.