"OHHHHH SH*T!"

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

If you meant paying ridiculous sums of money to free agents to field a team of all-stars then no, the Yankees did not buy theirs. Their championship teams were built on the core talent home grown and cheap-o free agents who were team-first guys.

Anyway, back to topic, no way the Yanks can afford both Santana and Bedard. Bedard's probably a no since the O's hate the Yanks with a passion as much as the Sox do and Santana is going to take a serious haul of young talent. I know Hank S is getting pressure to pull this deal and I'd say go for it. The guy is still young and he is a proven ace.

 

[Mr Pickles]

Twins are all over eh? My DRays gave them Brendan Harris, Delmon Young, and a prospect for Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett, and a minor leaguer. They'll have a brand new starting lineup by January.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

If you meant paying ridiculous sums of money to free agents to field a team of all-stars then no, the Yankees did not buy theirs. Their championship teams were built on the core talent home grown and cheap-o free agents who were team-first guys.

Anyway, back to topic, no way the Yanks can afford both Santana and Bedard. Bedard's probably a no since the O's hate the Yanks with a passion as much as the Sox do and Santana is going to take a serious haul of young talent. I know Hank S is getting pressure to pull this deal and I'd say go for it. The guy is still young and he is a proven ace.

Didn't stop the Moose from coming over. Rivalries play a roll, but the O's want quantity of quality, and right now, all they have is Bedard. The yanks can offer young talent from their burgeoning farm system, which kind of aches me The thought of Bedard and Johan does ease it a bit though, but not much. I see Hughes, Kennedy and especially Chamberlain becoming aces with time, and they are being payed pretty much squat relative to other aces. Good thing money is not an issue. If it was just money, Johan and Erik would be in pinstripes by now.

As for the link about Boston in talk with Johan, the offer of Coco and co. seems SOFT for Johan.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

If you meant paying ridiculous sums of money to free agents to field a team of all-stars then no, the Yankees did not buy theirs. Their championship teams were built on the core talent home grown and cheap-o free agents who were team-first guys.

Anyway, back to topic, no way the Yanks can afford both Santana and Bedard. Bedard's probably a no since the O's hate the Yanks with a passion as much as the Sox do and Santana is going to take a serious haul of young talent. I know Hank S is getting pressure to pull this deal and I'd say go for it. The guy is still young and he is a proven ace.

Didn't stop the Moose from coming over. Rivalries play a roll, but the O's want quantity of quality, and right now, all they have is Bedard. The yanks can offer young talent from their burgeoning farm system, which kind of aches me The thought of Bedard and Johan does ease it a bit though, but not much. I see Hughes, Kennedy and especially Chamberlain becoming aces with time, and they are being payed pretty much squat relative to other aces. Good thing money is not an issue. If it was just money, Johan and Erik would be in pinstripes by now.

As for the link about Boston in talk with Johan, the offer of Coco and co. seems SOFT for Johan.

Bedard isn't a free agent though (I'm probably wrong) so Yanks would have to trade for both.

EDIT: Yeah I can see O's want some raw young talent to rebuild the mess they had but I think they'd target other teams (LA has some really really good talent in their minors) before even considering Yanks.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

If you meant paying ridiculous sums of money to free agents to field a team of all-stars then no, the Yankees did not buy theirs. Their championship teams were built on the core talent home grown and cheap-o free agents who were team-first guys.

Anyway, back to topic, no way the Yanks can afford both Santana and Bedard. Bedard's probably a no since the O's hate the Yanks with a passion as much as the Sox do and Santana is going to take a serious haul of young talent. I know Hank S is getting pressure to pull this deal and I'd say go for it. The guy is still young and he is a proven ace.

Didn't stop the Moose from coming over. Rivalries play a roll, but the O's want quantity of quality, and right now, all they have is Bedard. The yanks can offer young talent from their burgeoning farm system, which kind of aches me The thought of Bedard and Johan does ease it a bit though, but not much. I see Hughes, Kennedy and especially Chamberlain becoming aces with time, and they are being payed pretty much squat relative to other aces. Good thing money is not an issue. If it was just money, Johan and Erik would be in pinstripes by now.

As for the link about Boston in talk with Johan, the offer of Coco and co. seems SOFT for Johan.

Not really. With the trade that the Twins made yesterday, they need a SS, CF and SP. They fill their holes with the Sox deal, something the Yankees can't offer.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

For the record, I'm no Yankees fan either. These are the new Yankees folks. The ones who aren't willing to destroy their farm system to bring in top dollar names. They're going to be producing their own. Joba is lights out and Phil Hughes is going to dominate so long as he can stay healthy. In my opinion, it's not worth it.

You think Hughes is going to dominate? I'm not that convinced. His number have been alright, but I really don't see him becoming the next Clemens or anything. He'll be a solid #2 / #3 guy, I think. Also, Joba has been great, but moving him to the rotation will be a disaster, IMO.

Like I said, that's my opinion and I'm just a baseball fan. What do you think?

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

If you meant paying ridiculous sums of money to free agents to field a team of all-stars then no, the Yankees did not buy theirs. Their championship teams were built on the core talent home grown and cheap-o free agents who were team-first guys.

Anyway, back to topic, no way the Yanks can afford both Santana and Bedard. Bedard's probably a no since the O's hate the Yanks with a passion as much as the Sox do and Santana is going to take a serious haul of young talent. I know Hank S is getting pressure to pull this deal and I'd say go for it. The guy is still young and he is a proven ace.

Didn't stop the Moose from coming over. Rivalries play a roll, but the O's want quantity of quality, and right now, all they have is Bedard. The yanks can offer young talent from their burgeoning farm system, which kind of aches me The thought of Bedard and Johan does ease it a bit though, but not much. I see Hughes, Kennedy and especially Chamberlain becoming aces with time, and they are being payed pretty much squat relative to other aces. Good thing money is not an issue. If it was just money, Johan and Erik would be in pinstripes by now.

As for the link about Boston in talk with Johan, the offer of Coco and co. seems SOFT for Johan.

Not really. With the trade that the Twins made yesterday, they need a SS, CF and SP. They fill their holes with the Sox deal, something the Yankees can't offer.

Something the Mets can offer. :thumbsup:

<-- Mets fan, yes...

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

If you meant paying ridiculous sums of money to free agents to field a team of all-stars then no, the Yankees did not buy theirs. Their championship teams were built on the core talent home grown and cheap-o free agents who were team-first guys.

Anyway, back to topic, no way the Yanks can afford both Santana and Bedard. Bedard's probably a no since the O's hate the Yanks with a passion as much as the Sox do and Santana is going to take a serious haul of young talent. I know Hank S is getting pressure to pull this deal and I'd say go for it. The guy is still young and he is a proven ace.

Didn't stop the Moose from coming over. Rivalries play a roll, but the O's want quantity of quality, and right now, all they have is Bedard. The yanks can offer young talent from their burgeoning farm system, which kind of aches me The thought of Bedard and Johan does ease it a bit though, but not much. I see Hughes, Kennedy and especially Chamberlain becoming aces with time, and they are being payed pretty much squat relative to other aces. Good thing money is not an issue. If it was just money, Johan and Erik would be in pinstripes by now.

As for the link about Boston in talk with Johan, the offer of Coco and co. seems SOFT for Johan.

Not really. With the trade that the Twins made yesterday, they need a SS, CF and SP. They fill their holes with the Sox deal, something the Yankees can't offer.

I dunno. I don't think Coco is or can be as good as Hunter, and I know for a fact that Lester and Masterson do not possess Johan-like dominance.

The only package that I see that can beat the Yanks is from the Mets. The Dodger farm system is great too, but the Yankee table fare of Hughes, Kennedy, or Cabrera seem pretty good too.

There could always be a multi team deal in play for all we know.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

For the record, I'm no Yankees fan either. These are the new Yankees folks. The ones who aren't willing to destroy their farm system to bring in top dollar names. They're going to be producing their own. Joba is lights out and Phil Hughes is going to dominate so long as he can stay healthy. In my opinion, it's not worth it.

You think Hughes is going to dominate? I'm not that convinced. His number have been alright, but I really don't see him becoming the next Clemens or anything. He'll be a solid #2 / #3 guy, I think. Also, Joba has been great, but moving him to the rotation will be a disaster, IMO.

Like I said, that's my opinion and I'm just a baseball fan. What do you think?

Joba can't start, or maintain a job in the starting rotation. I don't think he has the endurance to go 6 innings throughout a season.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

For the record, I'm no Yankees fan either. These are the new Yankees folks. The ones who aren't willing to destroy their farm system to bring in top dollar names. They're going to be producing their own. Joba is lights out and Phil Hughes is going to dominate so long as he can stay healthy. In my opinion, it's not worth it.

You think Hughes is going to dominate? I'm not that convinced. His number have been alright, but I really don't see him becoming the next Clemens or anything. He'll be a solid #2 / #3 guy, I think. Also, Joba has been great, but moving him to the rotation will be a disaster, IMO.

Like I said, that's my opinion and I'm just a baseball fan. What do you think?

Joba can't start, or maintain a job in the starting rotation. I don't think he has the endurance to go 6 innings throughout a season.

Based on what? He was a starting pitcher throughout the minors and college.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

For the record, I'm no Yankees fan either. These are the new Yankees folks. The ones who aren't willing to destroy their farm system to bring in top dollar names. They're going to be producing their own. Joba is lights out and Phil Hughes is going to dominate so long as he can stay healthy. In my opinion, it's not worth it.

You think Hughes is going to dominate? I'm not that convinced. His number have been alright, but I really don't see him becoming the next Clemens or anything. He'll be a solid #2 / #3 guy, I think. Also, Joba has been great, but moving him to the rotation will be a disaster, IMO.

Like I said, that's my opinion and I'm just a baseball fan. What do you think?

Joba can't start, or maintain a job in the starting rotation. I don't think he has the endurance to go 6 innings throughout a season.

Based on what? He was a starting pitcher throughout the minors and college.

Have you been to a college baseball game?! Hardly major, let alone minor league talent. His minor league credentials are better but still not the same as going against Major league hitters. I'm a Yankee fan, I'm the freaking OP, and can only imagine seeing what we call Joba on the mound for 2-3 innings max. What are you basing his starting ability in the majors on? If Torre thought he was starting material like Phil, he would have started him don't you think?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

For the record, I'm no Yankees fan either. These are the new Yankees folks. The ones who aren't willing to destroy their farm system to bring in top dollar names. They're going to be producing their own. Joba is lights out and Phil Hughes is going to dominate so long as he can stay healthy. In my opinion, it's not worth it.

You think Hughes is going to dominate? I'm not that convinced. His number have been alright, but I really don't see him becoming the next Clemens or anything. He'll be a solid #2 / #3 guy, I think. Also, Joba has been great, but moving him to the rotation will be a disaster, IMO.

Like I said, that's my opinion and I'm just a baseball fan. What do you think?

Joba can't start, or maintain a job in the starting rotation. I don't think he has the endurance to go 6 innings throughout a season.

Based on what? He was a starting pitcher throughout the minors and college.

Have you been to a college baseball game?! Hardly major, let alone minor league talent. His minor league credentials are better but still not the same as going against Major league hitters. I'm a Yankee fan, I'm the freaking OP, and can only imagine seeing what we call Joba on the mound for 2-3 innings max. What are you basing his starting ability in the majors on? If Torre thought he was starting material like Phil, he would have started him don't you think?

Torre did not have the option to start him. Heck, he couldn't pitch him 2 days in a row in relief! Those were the rules. But the organization has always considered him a starting pitcher. He was brought up to fill a specific bullpen need last year, or he would not have been brought up at all.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

For the record, I'm no Yankees fan either. These are the new Yankees folks. The ones who aren't willing to destroy their farm system to bring in top dollar names. They're going to be producing their own. Joba is lights out and Phil Hughes is going to dominate so long as he can stay healthy. In my opinion, it's not worth it.

You think Hughes is going to dominate? I'm not that convinced. His number have been alright, but I really don't see him becoming the next Clemens or anything. He'll be a solid #2 / #3 guy, I think. Also, Joba has been great, but moving him to the rotation will be a disaster, IMO.

Like I said, that's my opinion and I'm just a baseball fan. What do you think?

Joba can't start, or maintain a job in the starting rotation. I don't think he has the endurance to go 6 innings throughout a season.

Based on what? He was a starting pitcher throughout the minors and college.

Have you been to a college baseball game?! Hardly major, let alone minor league talent. His minor league credentials are better but still not the same as going against Major league hitters. I'm a Yankee fan, I'm the freaking OP, and can only imagine seeing what we call Joba on the mound for 2-3 innings max. What are you basing his starting ability in the majors on? If Torre thought he was starting material like Phil, he would have started him don't you think?

Torre did not have the option to start him. Heck, he couldn't pitch him 2 days in a row in relief! Those were the rules. But the organization has always considered him a starting pitcher. He was brought up to fill a specific bullpen need last year, or he would not have been brought up at all.

What do all those things added up tell you? I really don't think Joba can be a starter. He's a clutch reliever though.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: James3shin
What do all those things added up tell you? I really don't think Joba can be a starter. He's a clutch reliever though.

I guess we'll see.

 

[BHeemsoth]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: James3shin
What do all those things added up tell you? I really don't think Joba can be a starter. He's a clutch reliever though.

I guess we'll see.

Joba was a starter his entire career until his second week in AAA last year, when they started grooming him for the bullpen.

He absolutely tore up the minors, and had good numbers in college as a starter. No, he isn't going to throw 99-100, but he will go back to sitting around 94 with good movement.

Yes, he was electrifying as a reliever, but I think his value lies as a starter at the moment. Besides, the Yankees can always do with him what they did with Mariano if it doesn't work out for him as a starter.

-Brian

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

If you meant paying ridiculous sums of money to free agents to field a team of all-stars then no, the Yankees did not buy theirs. Their championship teams were built on the core talent home grown and cheap-o free agents who were team-first guys.

Anyway, back to topic, no way the Yanks can afford both Santana and Bedard. Bedard's probably a no since the O's hate the Yanks with a passion as much as the Sox do and Santana is going to take a serious haul of young talent. I know Hank S is getting pressure to pull this deal and I'd say go for it. The guy is still young and he is a proven ace.

Didn't stop the Moose from coming over. Rivalries play a roll, but the O's want quantity of quality, and right now, all they have is Bedard. The yanks can offer young talent from their burgeoning farm system, which kind of aches me The thought of Bedard and Johan does ease it a bit though, but not much. I see Hughes, Kennedy and especially Chamberlain becoming aces with time, and they are being payed pretty much squat relative to other aces. Good thing money is not an issue. If it was just money, Johan and Erik would be in pinstripes by now.

As for the link about Boston in talk with Johan, the offer of Coco and co. seems SOFT for Johan.

Not really. With the trade that the Twins made yesterday, they need a SS, CF and SP. They fill their holes with the Sox deal, something the Yankees can't offer.

I dunno. I don't think Coco is or can be as good as Hunter, and I know for a fact that Lester and Masterson do not possess Johan-like dominance.

The only package that I see that can beat the Yanks is from the Mets. The Dodger farm system is great too, but the Yankee table fare of Hughes, Kennedy, or Cabrera seem pretty good too.

There could always be a multi team deal in play for all we know.

Coco is a great player, he just was not a good fit for boston. I think the pressure really got to him when he realized what type of player boston expected him to be. He has gold glove qualities (which he has shown in boston) and he has shown that he can hit the ball (only shown with Indians).

 

[BeauJangles]

I'm pretty shocked to see the Red Sox supposedly leading the Santana frenzy. Seems to me like their rotation is already pretty set. Giving up Ellsbury (or Buchholz to a lesser extent) would be a big, big mistake. Santana is going to command top dollar and, while a rotation that went something like Santana, Beckett, Dice-K, Buchholz, Wake (+ Schilling) would be unbelievable, I don't want to see them mortgage the farm for it.

The Yankees, IMO, are in much more dire straights for a top-quality starter. Wang was very good during the regular season, but his post-season implosion plus the fact that he gets so few strikeouts might (I'm saying might!) be an indication that he's struggling. That also might be water under the bridge at this point, but still the Yankees rotation really could use a tier 1 guy like Santana.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I'm pretty shocked to see the Red Sox supposedly leading the Santana frenzy. Seems to me like their rotation is already pretty set. Giving up Ellsbury (or Buchholz to a lesser extent) would be a big, big mistake. Santana is going to command top dollar and, while a rotation that went something like Santana, Beckett, Dice-K, Buchholz, Wake (+ Schilling) would be unbelievable, I don't want to see them mortgage the farm for it.

The Yankees, IMO, are in much more dire straights for a top-quality starter. Wang was very good during the regular season, but his post-season implosion plus the fact that he gets so few strikeouts might (I'm saying might!) be an indication that he's struggling. That also might be water under the bridge at this point, but still the Yankees rotation really could use a tier 1 guy like Santana.

they're not giving up ellsbury...

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I'm pretty shocked to see the Red Sox supposedly leading the Santana frenzy. Seems to me like their rotation is already pretty set. Giving up Ellsbury (or Buchholz to a lesser extent) would be a big, big mistake. Santana is going to command top dollar and, while a rotation that went something like Santana, Beckett, Dice-K, Buchholz, Wake (+ Schilling) would be unbelievable, I don't want to see them mortgage the farm for it.

The Yankees, IMO, are in much more dire straights for a top-quality starter. Wang was very good during the regular season, but his post-season implosion plus the fact that he gets so few strikeouts might (I'm saying might!) be an indication that he's struggling. That also might be water under the bridge at this point, but still the Yankees rotation really could use a tier 1 guy like Santana.

they're not giving up ellsbury...

Did I say they were?

I don't think the Twins are going to accept that deal. It might be the best on the table, but someone will top it. Once it's topped, I'm sure there will be discussion about Ellsbury or Buchholz. I'm just stating that giving up either one of those guys would be a mistake in my mind.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I'm pretty shocked to see the Red Sox supposedly leading the Santana frenzy. Seems to me like their rotation is already pretty set. Giving up Ellsbury (or Buchholz to a lesser extent) would be a big, big mistake. Santana is going to command top dollar and, while a rotation that went something like Santana, Beckett, Dice-K, Buchholz, Wake (+ Schilling) would be unbelievable, I don't want to see them mortgage the farm for it.

The Yankees, IMO, are in much more dire straights for a top-quality starter. Wang was very good during the regular season, but his post-season implosion plus the fact that he gets so few strikeouts might (I'm saying might!) be an indication that he's struggling. That also might be water under the bridge at this point, but still the Yankees rotation really could use a tier 1 guy like Santana.

There is no way Santana is going to the Sox without Buchholz going to the Twins... especially now that the Twins will want a stud SP prospect going back having acquired an OF for an arm. I'd also imagine at this point that they'd want Pedroia.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jman19
There is no way Santana is going to the Sox without Buchholz going to the Twins... especially now that the Twins will want a stud SP prospect going back having acquired an OF for an arm. I'd also imagine at this point that they'd want Pedroia.

There are ways, but I agree it's unlikely. I could see a package involving Lester + Ellsbury instead. Pedroia isn't on the table at all, so that would be a deal-breaker.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: jman19
There is no way Santana is going to the Sox without Buchholz going to the Twins... especially now that the Twins will want a stud SP prospect going back having acquired an OF for an arm. I'd also imagine at this point that they'd want Pedroia.

There are ways, but I agree it's unlikely. I could see a package involving Lester + Ellsbury instead. Pedroia isn't on the table at all, so that would be a deal-breaker.

I would just imagine the Twins will try for Pedroia, as their OF situation isn't as dire as it was before.

Just read something on ESPN about the Twins and Sox talking with the deal centering on Coco and Lester... if the Twins do that they are fools.

 

[Al Neri]

The Twins are using the Yankees to drive up the price and see what the angels and dodgers have and to goat the sox into trading ?

I am not listing players they would trade - I'm just listing trade chips

The Angels have Brandon Wood, Howie Kendrick, Jered Weaver, Ervin Santana, Reggie Wiltis, Erick Aybar, Nick Adenhart

The Sox have Buchholz, Jacoby Elsbury, Coco Crisp (+contract eating), Jon Lester, Jed Lowry

The Dodgers have Scott Elbert, Clayton Kershaw, Andy LaRoche, Jonathan Broxton, Takaito Sashi, Chad Billingsly, Mark Hendrickson, Matt Kemp

The Yankees have Justin Chamberlain, Phillip Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, Robinson Cano, Jose Tabata, Austin Jackson

The Mets have Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez, Mike Pelfrey, Delois Guerra, Kevin Mulvey, Joe Smith, Aaron Heilman, Lastings Milledge


The Twins :
1B: Morneau
2B: Brendan Harris and Alexei Casilla will compete - they can use an upgrade or go with Casilla here and Harris at 3B
3B: Nick Punto and Brendan Harris will compete
SS: Brendan Harris? Hole - I don't think Harris can handle being a starting SS - though I could be wrong
RF: Delmon Young
CF: HOLE? Pridie?
LF: Cuddyer/Monroe/Tyner/Kubel/Pridie
DH: Cuddyer/Kubel

SP: Liriano
SP: Baker
SP: Bonser
SP: Slowly
SP: ?

I?d say the best move is for Erick Aybar, Jered Weaver/Ervin Santana and Reggie Wiltis ? but that?s too steep from the Angels

or Lester/Lowry/Crisp + $ from the Sox would be a likely scenario.

Unless the Yankees pony up Hughes, Chamberlain and Cano for Nathan and Santana I don't see it happening - they'd still have a gap at SS. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Yankees prospects - Hughes has shown that he MAY succeptable to injuries - but he is an A prospect, Chamberlain has 24 innings and is very young, and Ian Kennedy has 19 innings, and Melky cabrera would be a 4th OF on a lot of teams at this point - though he still can develop - he has a career OPS of 728 and may not have the range of a CF. I'd attribute his mild success to being tucked into that lineup and seeing a lot of fastballs - I don't suspect Bill Smith (I think that's his name - the GM of the Twinkies) would fall for Melky Cabrera as a major chip. Cano has been RIDICULOUS don't get me wrong but I'd be leery of him - he was a career 278 hitter in the minors - now he definately could have developed in the big leagues don't get me wrong - but i'm leery that he hit 314 in the majors after hitting 37 points less in the minors - that lineup may be benefitting him and he may get exposed in a lesser one - now I've seen the kid play - his bat is awesome - his glove leaves something to be desired - but if his bat stays the same it more than makes up for it.

Add that to the fact the Sox have the pieces the Twinkies need (SS, SP, CF) - and so do the angels (aybar, ervin santana/jered weaver, reggie wiltis) - I don't see the yankees as anything but a pawn in this scenario.

 

[James3shin]

Torii Hunter was on ESPN talking to Stephen A about how Johan might love to play in Boston with the Red Sox!!!! Torii Hunter said "Johan mentioned the NY Yankees, NY Mets, and Boston...Johan, David Ortiz and I came up together. Man, Johan and David act a fool in the club house." In the same interview, Mike also asked Torii, "Lemme make you a amateur manager, according to rumors, Boston is packaging Coco Crisp, John Lester, and Jed Lowery, a minor league SS, do you think that's light for Johan?" Torii replies, "Man, that's light! Johan is a beast! Johan is one of the best left handers in the league in the last 5 years..."

I agree that the Boston offer is light. They better throw in a ace. The Yanks have young players, just not at SS. The BEST offer is from the METS if they want Johan. Torii also mentioned that the Angels may be in line to get Erik Bedard! I know the Angels want Miguel Tejada as well, so they may work something out.

 

[James3shin]

Oh and here is how I see it...

If the Yanks threw in Joba, with Phil and Melky, the Twins may bite.

If the Mets threw in J. Reyes with some of their young players, the Twins would definitely bite .

If the Red Sox are not willing to give up any aces, or possible aces from their pitching staff, making Minnesota uncomfy.

I'm thinking Johan is going to the fucking Mets....BOOOOOO!