"OHHHHH SH*T!"

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

HAHAH. Called him out, and sent him off. Exit stage left!

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: rpbri2886
Jon Heyman (SI) is reporting that Hughes is involved now, and seems to think it is a done deal.

This is a bittersweet moment for me, as I've been watching Phil since 2004, and following his progress through the minors. However, when the chance comes along to get the best pitcher in baseball, I think you have to do it. The other players involved in the deal are Melky Cabrera and another prospect (hopefully not Action Jackson).

It looks like the Yankees will also be getting A. Jones or Rowand to fill the center field void. Although I'd prefer they wait to see if Damon is healthy and move him back to CF, freeing up the DH spot for Giambi, who will undoubtedly have a big contract year.

You gotta do it. Hughes can be great down the line, but we don't know that he will be. He's got great stuff and great potential, sure, but Santana is a proven ace and arguably the best pitcher in the game.

Can Hughes be the best pitcher in the game?
Maybe.
Is Santana?
Probably.

You gotta do it.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: rpbri2886
Jon Heyman (SI) is reporting that Hughes is involved now, and seems to think it is a done deal.

This is a bittersweet moment for me, as I've been watching Phil since 2004, and following his progress through the minors. However, when the chance comes along to get the best pitcher in baseball, I think you have to do it. The other players involved in the deal are Melky Cabrera and another prospect (hopefully not Action Jackson).

It looks like the Yankees will also be getting A. Jones or Rowand to fill the center field void. Although I'd prefer they wait to see if Damon is healthy and move him back to CF, freeing up the DH spot for Giambi, who will undoubtedly have a big contract year.

You gotta do it. Hughes can be great down the line, but we don't know that he will be. He's got great stuff and great potential, sure, but Santana is a proven ace and arguably the best pitcher in the game.

Can Hughes be the best pitcher in the game?
Maybe.
Is Santana?
Probably.

You gotta do it.

They're trying homie. They're trying. Johan the fucking man in pinstripes? Sounds so right!

 

[Al Neri]

I honestly hope that the Twins are not falling for this hype on Hughes - yes - he COULD be a great pitcher - but what has he proven - he is spotty - some brilliant starts some OK starts - he is accompanied by one of the best lineups in the game (with arguably the BEST hitter in the game) - which could help him (at least mentally) - additionally - Melky Cabrera COULD be a solid CF - but as I see it he is medicore (range, defense) and above average (his arm is a cannon and his average and OBP is pretty solid) - but his offense I'd attribute to him being tucked into that lineup.

Look at cano - a career 275 minor leaguer - comes to the majors and is a career 315 hitter - does the lineup have anything to do with it - I'd say most definately - but the kid does have skills, i like him a lot - but think about how many fast balls he sees compared to other #7,8,9 hitters in the AL (and baseball for that matter)

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I honestly hope that the Twins are not falling for this hype on Hughes - yes - he COULD be a great pitcher - but what has he proven - he is spotty - some brilliant starts some OK starts - he is accompanied by one of the best lineups in the game (with arguably the BEST hitter in the game) - which could help him (at least mentally) - additionally - Melky Cabrera COULD be a solid CF - but as I see it he is medicore (range, defense) and above average (his arm is a cannon and his average and OBP is pretty solid) - but his offense I'd attribute to him being tucked into that lineup.

Look at cano - a career 275 minor leaguer - comes to the majors and is a career 315 hitter - does the lineup have anything to do with it - I'd say most definately - but the kid does have skills, i like him a lot - but think about how many fast balls he sees compared to other #7,8,9 hitters in the AL (and baseball for that matter)

Sounds like a bitter Mets fan. If Cano and Hughes are junk then the Mets have absolutely nothing to offer.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I honestly hope that the Twins are not falling for this hype on Hughes - yes - he COULD be a great pitcher - but what has he proven - he is spotty - some brilliant starts some OK starts - he is accompanied by one of the best lineups in the game (with arguably the BEST hitter in the game) - which could help him (at least mentally) - additionally - Melky Cabrera COULD be a solid CF - but as I see it he is medicore (range, defense) and above average (his arm is a cannon and his average and OBP is pretty solid) - but his offense I'd attribute to him being tucked into that lineup.

Look at cano - a career 275 minor leaguer - comes to the majors and is a career 315 hitter - does the lineup have anything to do with it - I'd say most definately - but the kid does have skills, i like him a lot - but think about how many fast balls he sees compared to other #7,8,9 hitters in the AL (and baseball for that matter)

Hughes was the #1 rated prospect in the entire Minor Leagues for a reason.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I honestly hope that the Twins are not falling for this hype on Hughes - yes - he COULD be a great pitcher - but what has he proven - he is spotty - some brilliant starts some OK starts - he is accompanied by one of the best lineups in the game (with arguably the BEST hitter in the game) - which could help him (at least mentally) - additionally - Melky Cabrera COULD be a solid CF - but as I see it he is medicore (range, defense) and above average (his arm is a cannon and his average and OBP is pretty solid) - but his offense I'd attribute to him being tucked into that lineup.

Look at cano - a career 275 minor leaguer - comes to the majors and is a career 315 hitter - does the lineup have anything to do with it - I'd say most definately - but the kid does have skills, i like him a lot - but think about how many fast balls he sees compared to other #7,8,9 hitters in the AL (and baseball for that matter)

Hughes was the #1 rated prospect in the entire Minor Leagues for a reason.

Don Rodriguez also has some bizarre fascination with Cano's minor league record, despite the fact he is batting .314 in 3 major league seasons. He went through A to AAA in two seasons and was brought up after beginning 2005 hitting quite well on the farm.

 

[Al Neri]

Before I go on I will say that Hughes has shown that he CAN be injury prone and has not PROVEN himself in the majors (i.e. a prospect) -- every team has a #1 prospect at one point or another - and there are chances that prospect does not pan out. Wilton Guerrero? Or they take a few seasons and teams to pan out. Paul Konerko. or they come to the majors as a big splash and only get better - Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez.

Top prospects are no guarantee. That being said Hughes definately can be a top player in baseball - but I'd have no problem giving him up in a deal for someone who is under 30 and has proven he CAN be considered the top player in the game.

Robinson Cano is an awesome player - I've never said he isn't - but there is reason to second guess him - and

jman19

the reason i bring up cano's average in the minors is because i would be leery of him jumping 30 points in the majors when in a lineup where he will see a lot of good pitches in the back of the stacked yankee lineup - would rather pitch to and try get out Robby Cano (and cabrera) by throwing strikes and throw Jeter, Arod, Giambi, Abreu, etc. junk - being they are all proven stars - and each of them if not a superstar now - are not far removed from superstar performances. There is a chance that it is that he developed - but being the circumstances - there's also the chance that he sees more strikes than if he were in the Reds, Nationals, etc. lineup. I think he is the real deal from what I see - but I'd be more convinced if he were playing on the Royals or Nats.

Just my .02.

a bizarre facination with his minor league stats - those are the only stats i can compare cano with!


The yankees have a stacked farm system - the best player in the game - the potential to get one of the best pitchers in the game - i may be a Mets fan and hate the yankees - but I will say they are in a great position for the future right now.


Right now though - both the Sox and Yankees are bashing eachother by upping their offers for the Twins. Kinda funny.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I honestly hope that the Twins are not falling for this hype on Hughes - yes - he COULD be a great pitcher - but what has he proven - he is spotty - some brilliant starts some OK starts - he is accompanied by one of the best lineups in the game (with arguably the BEST hitter in the game) - which could help him (at least mentally) - additionally - Melky Cabrera COULD be a solid CF - but as I see it he is medicore (range, defense) and above average (his arm is a cannon and his average and OBP is pretty solid) - but his offense I'd attribute to him being tucked into that lineup.

Look at cano - a career 275 minor leaguer - comes to the majors and is a career 315 hitter - does the lineup have anything to do with it - I'd say most definately - but the kid does have skills, i like him a lot - but think about how many fast balls he sees compared to other #7,8,9 hitters in the AL (and baseball for that matter)

Hughes was the #1 rated prospect in the entire Minor Leagues for a reason.

Agreed - but in his short tenure he does not seem like a SURE thing - he definately could be a top pitcher - he has shown brilliance - relieving mussinna in the playoffs was gigantic - but he also got injured - rehabbed - injured himself again - just things i'd be leery about.

I always was leery abuot Milledge - and I'm happy the mets finally dealt him (a soemwhat productive corner OF is easily replaced) - i wish it was earlier and for more - but Ryan Church is a solid ballplayer and hopefully schnieder's catching experience can bolster the rotation - he has a 4.3 catcher's ERA with some really bad expos/nationals rotations (tim redding, mike bascik, anyone)

I also saw Fernando Martinez play in AA Binghamton and I want him traded too - call me a prospect basher - but one in the hand > 2 in the bush in my opinion.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Before I go on I will say that Hughes has shown that he CAN be injury prone and has not PROVEN himself in the majors (i.e. a prospect) -- every team has a #1 prospect at one point or another - and there are chances that prospect does not pan out. Wilton Guerrero? Or they take a few seasons and teams to pan out. Paul Konerko. or they come to the majors as a big splash and only get better - Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez.

Top prospects are no guarantee. That being said Hughes definately can be a top player in baseball - but I'd have no problem giving him up in a deal for someone who is under 30 and has proven he CAN be considered the top player in the game.

Robinson Cano is an awesome player - I've never said he isn't - but there is reason to second guess him - and

jman19

the reason i bring up cano's average in the minors is because i would be leery of him jumping 30 points in the majors when in a lineup where he will see a lot of good pitches in the back of the stacked yankee lineup - would rather pitch to and try get out Robby Cano (and cabrera) by throwing strikes and throw Jeter, Arod, Giambi, Abreu, etc. junk - being they are all proven stars - and each of them if not a superstar now - are not far removed from superstar performances. There is a chance that it is that he developed - but being the circumstances - there's also the chance that he sees more strikes than if he were in the Reds, Nationals, etc. lineup. I think he is the real deal from what I see - but I'd be more convinced if he were playing on the Royals or Nats.

Just my .02.

a bizarre facination with his minor league stats - those are the only stats i can compare cano with!


The yankees have a stacked farm system - the best player in the game - the potential to get one of the best pitchers in the game - i may be a Mets fan and hate the yankees - but I will say they are in a great position for the future right now.


Right now though - both the Sox and Yankees are bashing eachother by upping their offers for the Twins. Kinda funny.

Minor league numbers aren't all that useful after a guy has been in the majors for a while. They can overrate a player (doesn't take the next step up) or underrate them (player doesn't blossom until he gets a bit older). I wouldn't consider minor league numbers that are 3 years stale to mean much of anything to be honest. I do agree though that he sees more fastballs than a guy on a scrub team, but that doesn't make the difference between him being a good hitter and a bad one.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Before I go on I will say that Hughes has shown that he CAN be injury prone and has not PROVEN himself in the majors (i.e. a prospect) -- every team has a #1 prospect at one point or another - and there are chances that prospect does not pan out. Wilton Guerrero? Or they take a few seasons and teams to pan out. Paul Konerko. or they come to the majors as a big splash and only get better - Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez.

Top prospects are no guarantee. That being said Hughes definately can be a top player in baseball - but I'd have no problem giving him up in a deal for someone who is under 30 and has proven he CAN be considered the top player in the game.

Robinson Cano is an awesome player - I've never said he isn't - but there is reason to second guess him - and

jman19

the reason i bring up cano's average in the minors is because i would be leery of him jumping 30 points in the majors when in a lineup where he will see a lot of good pitches in the back of the stacked yankee lineup - would rather pitch to and try get out Robby Cano (and cabrera) by throwing strikes and throw Jeter, Arod, Giambi, Abreu, etc. junk - being they are all proven stars - and each of them if not a superstar now - are not far removed from superstar performances. There is a chance that it is that he developed - but being the circumstances - there's also the chance that he sees more strikes than if he were in the Reds, Nationals, etc. lineup. I think he is the real deal from what I see - but I'd be more convinced if he were playing on the Royals or Nats.

Just my .02.

a bizarre facination with his minor league stats - those are the only stats i can compare cano with!


The yankees have a stacked farm system - the best player in the game - the potential to get one of the best pitchers in the game - i may be a Mets fan and hate the yankees - but I will say they are in a great position for the future right now.


Right now though - both the Sox and Yankees are bashing eachother by upping their offers for the Twins. Kinda funny.

Minor league numbers aren't all that useful after a guy has been in the majors for a while. They can overrate a player (doesn't take the next step up) or underrate them (player doesn't blossom until he gets a bit older). I wouldn't consider minor league numbers that are 3 years stale to mean much of anything to be honest. I do agree though that he sees more fastballs than a guy on a scrub team, but that doesn't make the difference between him being a good hitter and a bad one.

I'm saying that I'd believe the numbers more if he were on the Twins/Royals/Nationals than the yankees that's all.

--enough of this topic.!!!

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

No, obviously you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying compare the ratio of how many times the Yankees were the highest to how many times the Sox were number two as in they're equal to each other.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't that great. Maybe that's why you're a Yankee fan, when you got into baseball you didn't look into it past finding out who the "best" team was and cheering for them.

 

[James3shin]

Just a heads up, I'm studying and can't talk too much but:

Bosox have thrown in J. Ellsbury but said that the Twins can't get Lester then.

Good hitters are taught to hit fast balls.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: James3shin
Just a heads up, I'm studying and can't talk too much but:

Bosox have thrown in J. Ellsbury but said that the Twins can't get Lester then.

Good hitters are taught to hit fast balls.

go listen to jay z james shin.

OHHHH SHITTT

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

No, obviously you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying compare the ratio of how many times the Yankees were the highest to how many times the Sox were number two as in they're equal to each other.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't that great. Maybe that's why you're a Yankee fan, when you got into baseball you didn't look into it past finding out who the "best" team was and cheering for them.

Um, I didn't misunderstand anything - I'm just pointing out that the Sox "bought" their championships in the same way the Yankees "bought" theirs.

I was born and raised in NYC, that's why I'm a Yankees fan - but if throwing around ad homs is your method of "argument", so be it

 

[cliftonite]

I dont want Santana at the expense of Hughes/Chamerlin/Cano/Tabata. I would rather keep what we have and see who makes it to next years FA market.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

No, obviously you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying compare the ratio of how many times the Yankees were the highest to how many times the Sox were number two as in they're equal to each other.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't that great. Maybe that's why you're a Yankee fan, when you got into baseball you didn't look into it past finding out who the "best" team was and cheering for them.

Um, I didn't misunderstand anything - I'm just pointing out that the Sox "bought" their championships in the same way the Yankees "bought" theirs.

I was born and raised in NYC, that's why I'm a Yankees fan - but if throwing around ad homs is your method of "argument", so be it

And yet you're complaining about two versus how many? The logic doesn't make sense. Either way, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Cleveland didn't choke.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

No, obviously you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying compare the ratio of how many times the Yankees were the highest to how many times the Sox were number two as in they're equal to each other.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't that great. Maybe that's why you're a Yankee fan, when you got into baseball you didn't look into it past finding out who the "best" team was and cheering for them.

Um, I didn't misunderstand anything - I'm just pointing out that the Sox "bought" their championships in the same way the Yankees "bought" theirs.

I was born and raised in NYC, that's why I'm a Yankees fan - but if throwing around ad homs is your method of "argument", so be it

And yet you're complaining about two versus how many? The logic doesn't make sense. Either way, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Cleveland didn't choke.

I'm not complaining about anything I think you have reading comprehension problems

 

[Al Neri]

the yankees and redsox are playing eachother - this is comical.

especially when as a met fan you "hope" for bartolo colon

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez


especially when as a met fan you "hope" for bartolo colon

It'll either be Bartolo the Hutt or Livan Hernandez. UGH On top of that Omar making that stupid Milledge trade drove me nuts. He's killing me but thats a topic for another day.



Hank Steinbrenner supposedly says that today is the last day he'll make a deal for Johan as he doesn't want to play some sort of trading game with the Red Sox. We'll see if thats the case but I like Hank. So far he's been entertaining but we'll see what he's REALLY like when the Yanks go on some losing streak or stink up the joint like they did the beginning of this year.

Winter meetings start tomorrow so lets see if Johan (and guys like Miggy Cabrera) get traded.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

No, obviously you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying compare the ratio of how many times the Yankees were the highest to how many times the Sox were number two as in they're equal to each other.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't that great. Maybe that's why you're a Yankee fan, when you got into baseball you didn't look into it past finding out who the "best" team was and cheering for them.

Um, I didn't misunderstand anything - I'm just pointing out that the Sox "bought" their championships in the same way the Yankees "bought" theirs.

I was born and raised in NYC, that's why I'm a Yankees fan - but if throwing around ad homs is your method of "argument", so be it

How did the Yankees 'buy' any of their World Series titles? The key guys on those teams were either home-grown or smart FA acquisitions and it wasn't like they were blowing other teams out of the water in terms of payroll.

Speaking of baseball dealings, it seems as though the talk over Santana has upped the price of Haren. Beane wants blood: he asked the Yankees for two of Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy for Haren. With the Red Sox it was two of Clay Buchholz, Jon Lester, and Jacoby Ellsbury. The Mets would have to pony up Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez.

Basically, the Yankees are going to pay out the ass to acquire that starter they need.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: raystormWe'll see if thats the case but I like Hank. So far he's been entertaining but we'll see what he's REALLY like when the Yanks go on some losing streak or stink up the joint like they did the beginning of this year.

I don't know about Hank yet. He played the Arod thing pretty well, but what they did to Torre was an utter disgrace.

 

[Finalnight]

Hey, our Twins are trading our mascot and bat boy for a box of animal crackers too if anyone is interested.

Good lord, talk about a rebuilding season.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

No, obviously you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying compare the ratio of how many times the Yankees were the highest to how many times the Sox were number two as in they're equal to each other.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't that great. Maybe that's why you're a Yankee fan, when you got into baseball you didn't look into it past finding out who the "best" team was and cheering for them.

Um, I didn't misunderstand anything - I'm just pointing out that the Sox "bought" their championships in the same way the Yankees "bought" theirs.

I was born and raised in NYC, that's why I'm a Yankees fan - but if throwing around ad homs is your method of "argument", so be it

How did the Yankees 'buy' any of their World Series titles? The key guys on those teams were either home-grown or smart FA acquisitions and it wasn't like they were blowing other teams out of the water in terms of payroll.

Speaking of baseball dealings, it seems as though the talk over Santana has upped the price of Haren. Beane wants blood: he asked the Yankees for two of Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy for Haren. With the Red Sox it was two of Clay Buchholz, Jon Lester, and Jacoby Ellsbury. The Mets would have to pony up Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez.

Basically, the Yankees are going to pay out the ass to acquire that starter they need.

Look, I don't think the Yankees straight out bought their championships, obviously, but the fact that they had deep pockets helped them acquire key FAs and hold on to their stars with ease. The whole "buying" of a championship whining is crap anyway - most of the owners in baseball are very wealthy, but they don't all spend that way. As long as there is no cap in baseball an owner can spend the money if he wants to - I don't have a problem with that at all.

As for Haren, no way should the Yanks or anybody else give them a Santana type offer for Haren. I'm not even entirely sure why they want to deal their ace when he has an affordable salary for now. They should just wait to deal him before his final contract year (I think he has 3 left, IIRC).

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Haven't the Yanks learned that you can't buy a championship?

Of course you can. They bought a bunch and the Red Sox bought theirs.

:roll:

How many series were won when the Yankees were the highest payroll in baseball? How many when the Sox were number two? Study the ratio long and hard, then get over the fact that your team lost this year in the first round.

Ohh, so if you're number 2 out of 30, it's not buying a championship, but if you're number 1 it is.

:laugh:

The two players most instrumental in the Sox series wins are Schilling and Beckett, BOTH of whom were salary dumps.

No, obviously you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying compare the ratio of how many times the Yankees were the highest to how many times the Sox were number two as in they're equal to each other.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't that great. Maybe that's why you're a Yankee fan, when you got into baseball you didn't look into it past finding out who the "best" team was and cheering for them.

Um, I didn't misunderstand anything - I'm just pointing out that the Sox "bought" their championships in the same way the Yankees "bought" theirs.

I was born and raised in NYC, that's why I'm a Yankees fan - but if throwing around ad homs is your method of "argument", so be it

How did the Yankees 'buy' any of their World Series titles? The key guys on those teams were either home-grown or smart FA acquisitions and it wasn't like they were blowing other teams out of the water in terms of payroll.

Speaking of baseball dealings, it seems as though the talk over Santana has upped the price of Haren. Beane wants blood: he asked the Yankees for two of Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy for Haren. With the Red Sox it was two of Clay Buchholz, Jon Lester, and Jacoby Ellsbury. The Mets would have to pony up Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez.

Basically, the Yankees are going to pay out the ass to acquire that starter they need.

Look, I don't think the Yankees straight out bought their championships, obviously, but the fact that they had deep pockets helped them acquire key FAs and hold on to their stars with ease. The whole "buying" of a championship whining is crap anyway - most of the owners in baseball are very wealthy, but they don't all spend that way. As long as there is no cap in baseball an owner can spend the money if he wants to - I don't have a problem with that at all.

As for Haren, no way should the Yanks or anybody else give them a Santana type offer for Haren. I'm not even entirely sure why they want to deal their ace when he has an affordable salary for now. They should just wait to deal him before his final contract year (I think he has 3 left, IIRC).

If they deal Haren, I think it's Beane's way of saying that Oakland isn't going to be seriously competing for a couple of years. From what I've heard, Oakland might enter firesale mode if the Angels acquire Cabrera from the Marlins.

I'd also agree that Haren isn't worth the same haul that Santana is. That being said, if the Yankees are denied Santana my bet is they pursue Haren at nearly any cost.