Oh those poor, poor "christians"...

[MtnMan]

aww a deep thinking actor. A person who reads lines others wrote for him, and does whatever someone else directs him to do.

Thus the good christian defending his invisible sky daddy through anonymous attacks, probably while working his second job as a clerk at the local 7-11.

 

[Fern]

I guess you should go ask a progressive then. I was referring to Mississippi's distinction as being the most religious state in the union, a trait I consider germane to the story for reasons I shouldn't have to explain. The state's ranking in education is just icing on the cake really, fits quite well with the story's funny contradiction on discrimination.
-snip-

Racist.

Mississippi is the state with the largest African American population.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally Posted by Newell Steamer View Post
Someone remind me what Jesus (you know, the guy Christians are following), said about homosexuality again?

Thanks in advance.

Not a single word.

You'd think that if it was important he would have at least ONE SENTENCE to spare to condemn it.

If you read even the verses in the Torah in Hebrew it's quite clear that the language it's translated into was wrong. Most Jews do not consider homosexuality an abomination because it's never mentioned in the Torah.

Sodom and Gomorrah certainly has nothing to do with homosexuality and yet it's preached in evangelical churches all the time.

The word "homosexual" wasn't invented until well after the King James version was translated, so of course it isn't specifically mentioned.

Otherwise, see here: http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/?p=2484

Also, it is no certainty that Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. You can find a link yourself.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Well, good for you. I've never met a homosexual who did condone pedophilia, however.

NAMBLA is awaiting your call.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Not a single word.

You'd think that if it was important he would have at least ONE SENTENCE to spare to condemn it.

If you read even the verses in the Torah in Hebrew it's quite clear that the language it's translated into was wrong. Most Jews do not consider homosexuality an abomination because it's never mentioned in the Torah.

Sodom and Gomorrah certainly has nothing to do with homosexuality and yet it's preached in evangelical churches all the time.

Some links:

http://judaism.about.com/od/homosexualityandjudaism/a/samesex.htm

The traditional viewpoint is that the Torah mentions homosexuality twice in the book of Leviticus (JPS):

וְאֶת-זָכָר—לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה: תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא.

Lev.18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is detestable."

וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה—תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ, שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם.

Lev.20:13 "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed a detestable act: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_and_Judaism

To say some may not would, I think, be acceptable. To say "most" I would argue is incorrect.

Fern

 

[MasterOfUsers]

The word "homosexual" wasn't invented until well after the King James version was translated, so of course it isn't specifically mentioned.

Otherwise, see here: http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/?p=2484

Also, it is no certainty that Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. You can find a link yourself.

Fern

I can read the Torah in Hebrew just fine myself, Sodom and Gomorrah has nothing to do with homosexuality period.

Your source is based on bullshit, it won't help.

 

[Retro Rob]

I can read the Torah in Hebrew just fine myself, Sodom and Gomorrah has nothing to do with homosexuality period.

Your source is based on bullshit, it won't help.

Ummm....we've been awaiting these facts that you allegedly have showing the Virgin Mary claim being added "1200" years later.

I've found nothing after scouring the internet and my personal library -- you've had about 3 hours to back this claim.

Ready, go!

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Some links:

http://judaism.about.com/od/homosexualityandjudaism/a/samesex.htm



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_and_Judaism

To say some may not would, I think, be acceptable. To say "most" I would argue is incorrect.

Fern

And you would be wrong, there is no contemporary rabbi that would apart from the extreme orthodox ones but they are kinda like Bin Laden, if you want to go with that for truth be my guest but i don't buy it.

There is no actual mention of homosexual behaviour what so ever in the Torah. Whether there are individual sects that believe that it's wrong doesn't matter in the least.

What matters is what the actual text says. Or it is what SHOULD matter, as a secular Jew i can read it but i don't have anything invested in it, i do believe i can be a fair judge because of that.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Ummm....we've been awaiting theses facts that you allegedly have showing the Virgin Mary claim being added "1200" years later.

I've found nothing after scouring the internet and my personal library -- you've had about 3 hours to back this claim.

Ready, go!

Sorry for having a life and being involved in threads i think are more worthwhile than those of "is my imaginary friend wrong when he says" kinda threads.

Read a direct translation of the Torah, i can't teach you Hebrew so you can read it yourself so you will have to find an actual accurate version that Hebrew speaking Jews would agree is true, the OT is FAR from it, it's a bunch of crap made up by the Church and while it has some things that are equal to the Torah it's like following the manual for a chevy nova when working on a porshe 911. (dunno if you are a car guy but if you are you will get this)

 

[Retro Rob]

Sorry for having a life and being involved in threads i think are more worthwhile than those of "is my imaginary friend wrong when he says" kinda threads.

Read a direct translation of the Torah, i can't teach you Hebrew so you can read it yourself so you will have to find an actual accurate version that Hebrew speaking Jews would agree is true, the OT is FAR from it, it's a bunch of crap made up by the Church and while it has some things that are equal to the Torah it's like following the manual for a chevy nova when working on a porshe 911. (dunno if you are a car guy but if you are you will get this)

How do you know its "made up" by the Church? Did a "Hebrew speaking Jew" tell you this?

...and I like your multiple appeals to authority fallacies -- "if a Hebrew speaking Jew says its true, it's true....u R WRONG!!"

Lol idiot..

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Sorry for having a life and being involved in threads i think are more worthwhile than those of "is my imaginary friend wrong when he says" kinda threads.

Read a direct translation of the Torah, i can't teach you Hebrew so you can read it yourself so you will have to find an actual accurate version that Hebrew speaking Jews would agree is true, the OT is FAR from it, it's a bunch of crap made up by the Church and while it has some things that are equal to the Torah it's like following the manual for a chevy nova when working on a porshe 911. (dunno if you are a car guy but if you are you will get this)

You see imaginary friends...I see imaginary intelligence.

 

[ch33zw1z]

NAMBLA is awaiting your call.

Fern

Why, do you think I want to meet pedophiles?

 

[kage69]

Racist.

Mississippi is the state with the largest African American population.

Fern

You got me! Totally caught me waving that Klansman hood around in here didn't you? lol

That just might be one of the most awesomely wise ass concessions I've ever seen. Well played sir, well played.

 

[kage69]

When someone uses the term "you guys" it's a generally a tip-off of the type of mentality you're dealing with.

Dang, sorry DSF. I'm in the habit of skipping your posts for the most part, didn't really notice this until I decided to scan the thread from the beginning. Figured you could use a little elaboration.

By "you guys" I mean a small group of predictable posters who buy into a lot of this victim bullshit, or at least feel some need to defend it. You know, real morons. Posters who can make it to page 3 in a thread with posting a single word regarding it's subject and commentary. You'll just have to forgive a guy for noticing patterns and being tired of trolls I guess.