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miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: loki8481
though TX is looking good for her, last time I checked.

no one has checked texas in a while. so i don't really understand where all this 'texas will go clinton' stuff is coming from.

states with large number of Hispanics seem to break towards hillary.

Texas is different.

could be, i was just noting an observation.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Hafen
Obama's got good momentum, but just not outstanding. Hilly is sliding, but not freefalling. Its too bad he couldn't have pulled an upset in NJ or MA, that would have put Hilly on the ropes. There was no way CA was going to go for Obama, I don't ever seeing the latinos going much for him. I think this will give him trouble in TX too.

However, considering where he is at from 2 wks ago, he seriously cut her down. If he can upset her in Missourah, that will be huge as well. She is going to get pounded the next few weeks, and the increased time plays for Obama. Hilly's hope is for the clock to run out

Considering the rest of Feb is very favorable ground for Obama. He'll do well in Texas. All he needs to is win a majority of congressional districts in Texas, and he'll get the most Delegates.

Here is a hint. There are only 5-6 Hispanic majority districts in Texas. Thats out of 32 districts.

The latino vote is concentrated in parts of Texas. As is the black vote.

You also have to look at the trend. Obama wins hands down amongst affluent suburbanites. Thats like a HUGE % of the Texas population.

Obama can win the majority of Congressional Districts in Texas. He does that, he gets the most delegates. My bet is he splits it. While snagging a good win in Ohio.

 

Pabster

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The clock won't run out. The next 6 contests favor Obama immensely.

Every passing day, he gains. She loses. And with the race so close, there will be many, many days.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Pabster
The clock won't run out. The next 6 contests favor Obama immensely.

Every passing day, he gains. She loses. And with the race so close, there will be many, many days.

Perhaps that's why techs has been making all these FUD threads, for people to lose hope?
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Dari
Perhaps that's why techs has been making all these FUD threads, for people to lose hope?

Of course. And it is pathetically transparent.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Pabster
It ain't over, but the momentum is clearly with Obama.

isn't that statement in conflict with the reality of Hillary's wins in all those huge states?

Obama and Hillary are pretty neck-in-neck in the delegate count, and Obama's got the money advantage for the next states. Hillary's aces in the hole were Cali, NY, and NJ... they couldn't lock it up for her, so she's going to be facing a tough fight if Obama pulls out a lead in the delegates, though TX is looking good for her, last time I checked.

who will you support if it is hillary v. mccain?
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
How is it going to help him if he gains momentum after all the primaries are over? The delegates will already have been decided.

They won't all be over, Einstein.

There's a lot of contests yet to come. And with the race this tight, they WILL matter.

 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Pabster
It ain't over, but the momentum is clearly with Obama.

isn't that statement in conflict with the reality of Hillary's wins in all those huge states?

Obama and Hillary are pretty neck-in-neck in the delegate count, and Obama's got the money advantage for the next states. Hillary's aces in the hole were Cali, NY, and NJ... they couldn't lock it up for her, so she's going to be facing a tough fight if Obama pulls out a lead in the delegates, though TX is looking good for her, last time I checked.

who will you support if it is hillary v. mccain?

my current thought line is Obama = Hillary > McCain.

I'm probably voting for whoever the democratic nominee is unless McCain has a VP that really blows me away (re: not Huckabee, though I can objectively see that Huckabee or Crist as VP is probably the GOP's only hope).

I've got a complicated relationship with McCain :p I disagree with him on nearly every issue, but I think he'd make a damn fine president and should have been elected president in 2000 if he hadn't gotten such a raw deal in the SC primary. I just want McCain to have the fair shot that he was denied in 2000.

I would have much rather have had him in the oval office on 9/11 instead of Bush or Gore.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Pabster
The clock won't run out. The next 6 contests favor Obama immensely.

Every passing day, he gains. She loses. And with the race so close, there will be many, many days.

How is it going to help him if he gains momentum after all the primaries are over? The delegates will already have been decided.

Uh. Hes peaking at the right time. His momentum is going upwards still. About half the delegates have been awarded. Hes within 80 delegates because of Super Delegates. He still leads amongst ELECTED delegates. He will likely have the most overall delegates going into March 4(Texas, Ohio).

What you said is just nonsense.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Pabster
It ain't over, but the momentum is clearly with Obama.

isn't that statement in conflict with the reality of Hillary's wins in all those huge states?

Obama and Hillary are pretty neck-in-neck in the delegate count, and Obama's got the money advantage for the next states. Hillary's aces in the hole were Cali, NY, and NJ... they couldn't lock it up for her, so she's going to be facing a tough fight if Obama pulls out a lead in the delegates, though TX is looking good for her, last time I checked.

who will you support if it is hillary v. mccain?

my current thought line is Obama = Hillary > McCain.

I'm probably voting for whoever the democratic nominee is unless McCain has a VP that really blows me away.

I've got a complicated relationship with McCain :p I disagree with him on nearly every issue, but I think he'd make a damn fine president and should have been elected president in 2000 if he hadn't gotten such a raw deal in the SC primary. I just want McCain to have the fair shot that he was denied in 2000.

I would have much rather have had him in the oval office on 9/11 instead of Bush or Gore.

I think one thing we've learned from this primary, and all the backlash McCain has got, is that he never had a chance in hell in 2000. The Republicans have nobody and are gritting their teeth even having to settle with him. George W. Bush, a Texan with all the right stances, the outside-of-Washington position, the Jesus factor, the name recognition.. it was inevitable.
 

techs

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Obama had his chance tonite and he blew it.
The only thing that saved his candidacy was winning the caucus states, plus 2 tiny, tiny states in Alaska and North Dakota. If he had not won Missouri (by less than 1 percentage point) it might have even finished his campaign.
Tomorrow I will add up the total nationwide votes and if adds up like it looks now, Hillary beat Obama in the number of votes substantially.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: aidanjm

who will you support if it is hillary v. mccain?

I live in North Dakota so it will be a rout for mccain, so i'll either vote mccain or do a bogus right in.
 

Dari

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Obama is tied with Clinton in New Mexico w/ 38% counted. Something's wrong that, right?
 

M0RPH

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Although I prefer Hillary, I could live with either her or Obama as the candidate. I would vote for either one over any Republican. I do think that Obama seems like a good guy.

Pabster, you on the other hand have been fanatical in your support of Obama. You have shown a lot of disrespect and spitefulness towards Hillary Clinton and her supporters in this forum. I almost want Hillary to win solely for the enjoyment of seeing you eat LOTS of crow. If I were you and Obama ended up losing, I think I'd be so embarrassed that I would just dissapear.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Dari
Obama is tied with Clinton in New Mexico w/ 38% counted. Something's wrong that, right?

Obama is expected to win(look at the exit polls). Most predict the delegates will be split fairly evenly.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: techs
Obama had his chance tonite and he blew it.
The only thing that saved his candidacy was winning the caucus states, plus 2 tiny, tiny states in Alaska and North Dakota. If he had not won Missouri (by less than 1 percentage point) it might have even finished his campaign.
Tomorrow I will add up the total nationwide votes and if adds up like it looks now, Hillary beat Obama in the number of votes substantially.

You confuse me. Didn't you make thread after thread claiming it was going to be a landslide for Clinton?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: techs
Obama had his chance tonite and he blew it.
The only thing that saved his candidacy was winning the caucus states, plus 2 tiny, tiny states in Alaska and North Dakota. If he had not won Missouri (by less than 1 percentage point) it might have even finished his campaign.
Tomorrow I will add up the total nationwide votes and if adds up like it looks now, Hillary beat Obama in the number of votes substantially.

if the popular vote mattered, we'd be speaking french and driving priuses under the leadership of President Gore. :p
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: techs
Obama had his chance tonite and he blew it.
The only thing that saved his candidacy was winning the caucus states, plus 2 tiny, tiny states in Alaska and North Dakota. If he had not won Missouri (by less than 1 percentage point) it might have even finished his campaign.
Tomorrow I will add up the total nationwide votes and if adds up like it looks now, Hillary beat Obama in the number of votes substantially.

the first stage of grief is denial, right? :p
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: techs
Obama had his chance tonite and he blew it.
The only thing that saved his candidacy was winning the caucus states, plus 2 tiny, tiny states in Alaska and North Dakota. If he had not won Missouri (by less than 1 percentage point) it might have even finished his campaign.
Tomorrow I will add up the total nationwide votes and if adds up like it looks now, Hillary beat Obama in the number of votes substantially.

Not replying to techs because I said I wouldn't, just using this comment to make a bet.

$10 says there is some kind of condition placed on these numbers he comes up with because they didn't turn out the way he thought they would.. that is, Obama has more total votes so far than Clinton.

My own condition on this calculation, which I think is reasonable, is that Michigan is either discounted or a significant number of "Uncommitted" are given to Obama. Say, 85%? Seeing as how Edwards usually topped out at 15%.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: M0RPH

Pabster, you on the other hand have been fanatical in your support of Obama. You have shown a lot of disrespect and spitefulness towards Hillary Clinton and her supporters in this forum. I almost want Hillary to win solely for the enjoyment of seeing you eat LOTS of crow. If I were you and Obama ended up losing, I think I'd be so embarrassed that I would just dissapear.

someone has to balance out techs, and at least pabster is sane and grounded about it, if not a bit overzealous.
 

Painman

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Obama is taking lots of red/purple state primaries and caucuses (some of them hugely).

This doesn't mean he'd win Utah in the general - but I think it shows his potential to win more honest-to-god battlegrounds in Nov. than Hillary. The blue states seem to have far more nostalgic feelings about 1993-2000 than the rest of the country.

Well, that's my biased little bit of tea-leaf reading. :p
 

nageov3t

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it's a weird topsy turvy world.

seems like conservative democrats are going for Hillary and republicans are going for Obama. lol.