***********Official South Carolina Democratic Primary Thread**************

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I don't want to call democratic voters apathetic because they are not, but issue wise, there is little to separate Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. So in that sense, its hard to get really excited when no matter what happens, you get your choice or a clone of that choice.

But rest assured, come the general election, the democratic party will be engaged and excited in the task of clobbering whatever candidate the GOP chooses to nominate.

Its hard for me to see the GOP coming into the general election either united or enthusiastic.

Considering that in South Carolina, a very heavily Red state, about 100,000 more Democrats than Republicans voted in their respective primaries, I would have to contest your view that the Democrats aren't yet excited by their candidates.

And they're obviously excited for Obama. And he has differentiated himself significantly from Hillary, if not necessarily on the usual partisan issues. Anyone who thinks he's "clone" has not been paying attention.

Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Vic

Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: daveymark
it'll be interesting to see Team Clinton react. the mud-slinging failed miserably. it's almost as if they don't know what to do now, all they're good at is slinging that mud...

They are VERY predictable. Even in her congratulatory words for Obama, Clinton attempted to divert all of the attention to Florida's vote next Tuesday. CNN also played right into their hands tonight by constantly running clips of Bill's speech in Missouri today... go figure. :roll:

Their shadiness and games are easier to predict than the rise of the sun tomorrow!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

It appears that polls are still useless when it comes to making predictions about any of the top contenders...

Looks like it. Obama was projected to win NH by 9-13 points and wound up losing. Here he was looking to win by about the same margins and opened up a 28 point can of whoop-ass. Hill probably knew she wasn't going to win SC (she left for Tenn before the polls closed and didn't give any speech) but I don't think she expected to get trounced like this.

I guess we'll see how much momentum Obama carries over into next Tuesday.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Vic

Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

Thanks, Scoop! The Rs could use his cocaine habit too! Ooo... they're gonna get him with all this "secret" stuff. :roll:

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Vic

Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

apparently he's black too. wait till that news gets out.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

It appears that polls are still useless when it comes to making predictions about any of the top contenders...

Looks like it. Obama was projected to win NH by 9-13 points and wound up losing. Here he was looking to win by about the same margins and opened up a 28 point can of whoop-ass. Hill probably knew she wasn't going to win SC (she left for Tenn before the polls closed and didn't give any speech) but I don't think she expected to get trounced like this.

I guess we'll see how much momentum Obama carries over into next Tuesday.

its not momentum. 4 out of 5 blacks voted for obama which makes up the vast majority of his lead. he failed to win over any white people who were over 29. in fact he failed so badly that edwards doubled his support over obama in those age groups for whites. doubled...that is massive. and of course edwards is in his home state. its likely those votes were siphoned off of hilary. either way. its not quite the win you pretend it to be. its not momentum, its simply a win in a very black state where racial politics obviously swung the race his way. but in the rest of america, blacks population isn't skewed so massively as in south carolina.

so what have we learned. blacks like obama. and now the race is clearly race based.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Vic

Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

What are you the new resident bigot?

 

[miketheidiot]

Text of obama's victory speach speach.

Youtube

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

It appears that polls are still useless when it comes to making predictions about any of the top contenders...

Looks like it. Obama was projected to win NH by 9-13 points and wound up losing. Here he was looking to win by about the same margins and opened up a 28 point can of whoop-ass. Hill probably knew she wasn't going to win SC (she left for Tenn before the polls closed and didn't give any speech) but I don't think she expected to get trounced like this.

I guess we'll see how much momentum Obama carries over into next Tuesday.

its not momentum. 4 out of 5 blacks voted for obama which makes up the vast majority of his lead. he failed to win over any white people who were over 29. in fact he failed so badly that edwards doubled his support over obama in those age groups for whites. doubled...that is massive. and of course edwards is in his home state. its likely those votes were siphoned off of hilary. either way. its not quite the win you pretend it to be. its not momentum, its simply a win in a very black state where racial politics obviously swung the race his way. but in the rest of america, blacks population isn't skewed so massively as in south carolina.

so what have we learned. blacks like obama. and now the race is clearly race based.

No one was expecting a 28% margin for Obama. Obama has improved on getting what voters. Previously(not counting Iowa or NH), he was pulling around 12% of the white vote IIRC.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Vic

Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

What are you the new resident bigot?

I'm a bigot for mentioning his middle name? Care to explain that one to me?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Vic

Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

What are you the new resident bigot?

I'm a bigot for mentioning his middle name? Care to explain that one to me?

Just noticing a trend in your posting in general.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

It appears that polls are still useless when it comes to making predictions about any of the top contenders...

Looks like it. Obama was projected to win NH by 9-13 points and wound up losing. Here he was looking to win by about the same margins and opened up a 28 point can of whoop-ass. Hill probably knew she wasn't going to win SC (she left for Tenn before the polls closed and didn't give any speech) but I don't think she expected to get trounced like this.

I guess we'll see how much momentum Obama carries over into next Tuesday.

its not momentum. 4 out of 5 blacks voted for obama which makes up the vast majority of his lead. he failed to win over any white people who were over 29. in fact he failed so badly that edwards doubled his support over obama in those age groups for whites. doubled...that is massive. and of course edwards is in his home state. its likely those votes were siphoned off of hilary. either way. its not quite the win you pretend it to be. its not momentum, its simply a win in a very black state where racial politics obviously swung the race his way. but in the rest of america, blacks population isn't skewed so massively as in south carolina.

so what have we learned. blacks like obama. and now the race is clearly race based.

No one was expecting a 28% margin for Obama. Obama has improved on getting what voters. Previously(not counting Iowa or NH), he was pulling around 12% of the white vote IIRC.

whos no one? when half the voters are black what else could have happened? if they voted hilary it would have been a miracle. making up for 50% of the vote turning race based is near impossible. its why clinton left the state. the only thing sc proved was that if half of america was black, obama would win

 

[Lemon law]

The other trend worth noting is that every State so far has been vastly different. And the only trend is no trend at all.

And that trend could continue if super Tuesday sends a mixed message. And a Super Tuesday mixed message could happen to the repubs only, the dems only, or to both parties.
But after Super Tuesday, the battle field should be more sharply defined.

That and the fact that polling has been very inaccurate on the democratic side especially.
Which may be an indicator that voters are only making up their minds at the last minute.

Not sure how accurate it is, but I had see a statistic to the effect that there has been roughly
2 democratic voters for every republican voters in caucuses and primaries thus far.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Not sure how accurate it is, but I had see a statistic to the effect that there has been roughly
2 democratic voters for every republican voters in caucuses and primaries thus far.

In SC, they estimated 100,000 additional voters on the Dem side as compared to the GOP.

The turnout has certainly been higher. The polarization of the Clinton Machine is driving larger and larger turnouts in each state.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Pabster
GO OBAMA GO!

Funny, Obama is the candidate furtherst away from your political views.

Which says a lot about Obama and his ability to attract support from the entire country.

it appears that it's not about seeing obama win, it's about seeing hildebeest lose.

I would do anything for this country to stop having the same 2 families incharge. Why do people not understand that this is a MASSIVE problem. Government is NOT a family business.. Especially at that level.

Thank you.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Not sure how accurate it is, but I had see a statistic to the effect that there has been roughly
2 democratic voters for every republican voters in caucuses and primaries thus far.

In SC, they estimated 100,000 additional voters on the Dem side as compared to the GOP.

The turnout has certainly been higher. The polarization of the Clinton Machine is driving larger and larger turnouts in each state.

HaHa. Its the hatred for your President Bush which has spurred turnout.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

It appears that polls are still useless when it comes to making predictions about any of the top contenders...

Looks like it. Obama was projected to win NH by 9-13 points and wound up losing. Here he was looking to win by about the same margins and opened up a 28 point can of whoop-ass. Hill probably knew she wasn't going to win SC (she left for Tenn before the polls closed and didn't give any speech) but I don't think she expected to get trounced like this.

I guess we'll see how much momentum Obama carries over into next Tuesday.

its not momentum. 4 out of 5 blacks voted for obama which makes up the vast majority of his lead. he failed to win over any white people who were over 29. in fact he failed so badly that edwards doubled his support over obama in those age groups for whites. doubled...that is massive. and of course edwards is in his home state. its likely those votes were siphoned off of hilary. either way. its not quite the win you pretend it to be. its not momentum, its simply a win in a very black state where racial politics obviously swung the race his way. but in the rest of america, blacks population isn't skewed so massively as in south carolina.

so what have we learned. blacks like obama. and now the race is clearly race based.

what the hell are you talking about?! The following concerns SC, and was taken from the same cnn.com article I linked to previously:

But Obama handily defeated Clinton in every other bracket, and overall garnered 58 percent of the vote among 18 to 64-year-olds while 23 percent of those voters picked Clinton.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

It appears that polls are still useless when it comes to making predictions about any of the top contenders...

Looks like it. Obama was projected to win NH by 9-13 points and wound up losing. Here he was looking to win by about the same margins and opened up a 28 point can of whoop-ass. Hill probably knew she wasn't going to win SC (she left for Tenn before the polls closed and didn't give any speech) but I don't think she expected to get trounced like this.

I guess we'll see how much momentum Obama carries over into next Tuesday.

its not momentum. 4 out of 5 blacks voted for obama which makes up the vast majority of his lead. he failed to win over any white people who were over 29. in fact he failed so badly that edwards doubled his support over obama in those age groups for whites. doubled...that is massive. and of course edwards is in his home state. its likely those votes were siphoned off of hilary. either way. its not quite the win you pretend it to be. its not momentum, its simply a win in a very black state where racial politics obviously swung the race his way. but in the rest of america, blacks population isn't skewed so massively as in south carolina.

so what have we learned. blacks like obama. and now the race is clearly race based.

what the hell are you talking about?! The following concerns SC, and was taken from the same cnn.com article I linked to previously:

But Obama handily defeated Clinton in every other bracket, and overall garnered 58 percent of the vote among 18 to 64-year-olds while 23 percent of those voters picked Clinton.

That doesn't seem right. I read that Obama got 25 percent of the white vote. In fact if he got 80 percent of the black vote(which was more than half the total vote) , and 58 percent of the white vote he would have gotten like 67 percent of the total vote instead of 55 percent.

 

[FoBoT]

i was pleasantly surprised by the 2X thumping of HildeBeast
but we'll have to see how Feb 5 goes and beyond
Obama can't win with just the southern states, he has to take CA and TX, he needs broad support to land the KO punch

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Vic
Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

What are you the new resident bigot?

I'm a bigot for mentioning his middle name? Care to explain that one to me?

Why does his middle name matter?

What if it was Adolf? Would the Jews not vote for him?
If it was Jesus would non-Christians not vote for him?
etc etc

Maybe he should create some phony story about how he got that middle name.
Similar to the story Hillary told about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary, only problem was that Hillary was totally unkown when Mrs. Hillary was born... oops

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Vic
Who caught his speech BTW? If you didn't, you should. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

So you think Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president? We'll see. Wait til the masses find out what his middle name is, heh. I'm sure the republicans are just salivating over that one.

What are you the new resident bigot?

I'm a bigot for mentioning his middle name? Care to explain that one to me?

Why does his middle name matter?

What if it was Adolf? Would the Jews not vote for him?
If it was Jesus would non-Christians not vote for him?
etc etc

Maybe he should create some phony story about how he got that middle name.
Similar to the story Hillary told about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary, only problem was that Hillary was totally unkown when Mrs. Hillary was born... oops

Is that true?

 

[Pabster]

AFAIK, Yes, it is true. She had bragged about being named after him.

Snopes has a page on it.

 

[ProfJohn]

^ snopes.com can't cut and paste from that site so I'll use slate.com instead
link

On a first-lady goodwill tour of Asia in April 1995?the kind of banal trip that she now claims as part of her foreign-policy "experience"?Mrs. Clinton had been in Nepal and been briefly introduced to the late Sir Edmund Hillary, conqueror of Mount Everest. Ever ready to milk the moment, she announced that her mother had actually named her for this famous and intrepid explorer. The claim "worked" well enough to be repeated at other stops and even showed up in Bill Clinton's memoirs almost a decade later, as one more instance of the gutsy tradition that undergirds the junior senator from New York.

Sen. Clinton was born in 1947, and Sir Edmund Hillary and his partner Tenzing Norgay did not ascend Mount Everest until 1953, so the story was self-evidently untrue and eventually yielded to fact-checking. Indeed, a spokeswoman for Sen. Clinton named Jennifer Hanley phrased it like this in a statement in October 2006, conceding that the tale was untrue but nonetheless charming: "It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add."

Perfect. It worked, in other words, having been coined long after Sir Edmund became a bankable celebrity, but now its usefulness is exhausted and its untruth can safely be blamed on Mummy.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Pabster
AFAIK, Yes, it is true. She had bragged about being named after him.

Snopes has a page on it.

Maybe she got the name through ESP? That would make it true, right?