***********Official South Carolina Democratic Primary Thread**************

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
I hate to say this because I will probably be accused of being racist, but blacks will vote for a black man solely because he's black. They may not admit it, even to themselves, but that's just the way they are wired. I mean, they voted Marion Barry back in as DC mayor even after he had been convicted of smoking crack. The vast majority of blacks proclaimed OJ Simpson to be innocent. Just a couple examples. Blacks stick with their own to the very end.

whites won`t do the same??? hmmmm wake up.....

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Wow, what a beatdown by Obama.

Beatdown would have been 10, maybe 15 points. 25 points? I'd call it a fuckin' rout.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

What's up with Hillary and her constant use of the Jesus arm?

It makes her look like she's a high priestess trying to bless everyone.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Wow, what a beatdown by Obama.

Beatdown would have been 10, maybe 15 points. 25 points? I'd call it a fuckin' rout.

doesn't really matter how much Obama wins by... all that matters if whether or not it gives him a bump for super tuesday.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
I hate to say this because I will probably be accused of being racist, but blacks will vote for a black man solely because he's black. They may not admit it, even to themselves, but that's just the way they are wired. I mean, they voted Marion Barry back in as DC mayor even after he had been convicted of smoking crack. The vast majority of blacks proclaimed OJ Simpson to be innocent. Just a couple examples. Blacks stick with their own to the very end.

The reason you correctly predict you'll be called a racist is because you are. You just stereotyped a whole group.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: techs
Obamas swan song?
Hillary pulled out of South Carolina to concentrate money and time on the Super Tuesday primaries.
As is easy to see, in the primaries, if you don't campaign you do poorly. Just ask Rudy. Or Romney. Its also true it you focus on a primary (or primaries) with time and money you do well.
So in South Carolina Obama had the best confluence of events possible. Hillary stopped campaiging. And the amazingly good weather throughout the state was conducive to a large black turnout, of which Obama got 80 percent. Plus Edwards did much more poorly than expected which may mean that his supporters have decided his candidacy is improbable and left to find another candidate. Which Hilaries leaving left to Obama.

Now comes Super Tuesday where Hillary has been concentrating her time and money.
Plus the whole black voter issue, for whatever reason, has called attention to race. Which will tend to hurt Obama in the states on Super Tuesday.

Bye, bye Obama.

South Carolina was actually one of Hillary's main focuses - she put a lot of resources into that state.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: M0RPH
I hate to say this because I will probably be accused of being racist, but blacks will vote for a black man solely because he's black. They may not admit it, even to themselves, but that's just the way they are wired. I mean, they voted Marion Barry back in as DC mayor even after he had been convicted of smoking crack. The vast majority of blacks proclaimed OJ Simpson to be innocent. Just a couple examples. Blacks stick with their own to the very end.

whites won`t do the same??? hmmmm wake up.....

I-O-W-A

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: techs
Hillary pulled out of South Carolina to concentrate money and time on the Super Tuesday primaries...

...when it became obvious that she would lose South Carolina regardless of how much time she and Bill spent here. Her "pulling out of SC" was to provide an excuse for the loss. "Inevitable" Hillary was going to campaign in every state, so that she could sweep grandly into her coronation at the Democratic convention. Now that she is in a serious fight for the nomination, expect massive spin and excuses for her big loss. Super Tuesday looks a little less certain for the Clintons, so you can expect them to make a very big deal out of her anticipated win in Florida, where she is the only major candidate on the Democratic ballot.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: techs
Hillary pulled out of South Carolina to concentrate money and time on the Super Tuesday primaries...

...when it became obvious that she would lose South Carolina regardless of how much time she and Bill spent here. Her "pulling out of SC" was to provide an excuse for the loss. "Inevitable" Hillary was going to campaign in every state, so that she could sweep grandly into her coronation at the Democratic convention. Now that she is in a serious fight for the nomination, expect massive spin and excuses for her big loss. Super Tuesday looks a little less certain for the Clintons, so you can expect them to make a very big deal out of her anticipated win in Florida, where she is the only major candidate on the Democratic ballot.

So far the media hasn't bought into this and it is looking like they won't. Really just a sleazy move to go along with excluding Michigan and Florida until the last minute. Goes along with that other sleazy move to sue for Nevada caucuses to be closed.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: techs
Hillary pulled out of South Carolina to concentrate money and time on the Super Tuesday primaries...

...when it became obvious that she would lose South Carolina regardless of how much time she and Bill spent here. Her "pulling out of SC" was to provide an excuse for the loss. "Inevitable" Hillary was going to campaign in every state, so that she could sweep grandly into her coronation at the Democratic convention. Now that she is in a serious fight for the nomination, expect massive spin and excuses for her big loss. Super Tuesday looks a little less certain for the Clintons, so you can expect them to make a very big deal out of her anticipated win in Florida, where she is the only major candidate on the Democratic ballot.

So far the media hasn't bought into this and it is looking like they won't. Really just a sleazy move to go along with excluding Michigan and Florida until the last minute. Goes along with that other sleazy move to sue for Nevada caucuses to be closed.

as far as I know, Hillary had nothing to do with the exclusion of Michigan and Florida. that was a decision made by the DNC.

*any* candidate would fight for them to be included if they won. it's not really a case to trash on Hillary.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: techs
Hillary pulled out of South Carolina to concentrate money and time on the Super Tuesday primaries...

...when it became obvious that she would lose South Carolina regardless of how much time she and Bill spent here. Her "pulling out of SC" was to provide an excuse for the loss. "Inevitable" Hillary was going to campaign in every state, so that she could sweep grandly into her coronation at the Democratic convention. Now that she is in a serious fight for the nomination, expect massive spin and excuses for her big loss. Super Tuesday looks a little less certain for the Clintons, so you can expect them to make a very big deal out of her anticipated win in Florida, where she is the only major candidate on the Democratic ballot.

So far the media hasn't bought into this and it is looking like they won't. Really just a sleazy move to go along with excluding Michigan and Florida until the last minute. Goes along with that other sleazy move to sue for Nevada caucuses to be closed.

as far as I know, Hillary had nothing to do with the exclusion of Michigan and Florida. that was a decision made by the DNC.

*any* candidate would fight for them to be included if they won. it's not really a case to trash on Hillary.

It is right to trash Hillary. Give me a break. She could have fought for them when this decision was made last year and all of the candidates agreed to the terms. Instead she waits a few days before the primary in one case, and a few days after the primary in the other, to advocate for the inclusion of the delegates in states where no other candidates competed because they'd all agreed not to. That is wrong. It was also wrong to try to close caucus sites immediately after it became clear the culinary workers weren't endorsing her.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: loki8481
*any* candidate would fight for them to be included if they won. it's not really a case to trash on Hillary.

An honest candidate would pursue that fight whether they won or not, out of principle. A principled politician Hillary is not.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: loki8481
*any* candidate would fight for them to be included if they won. it's not really a case to trash on Hillary.

An honest candidate would pursue that fight whether they won or not, out of principle. A principled politician Hillary is not.

so, what's she supposed to do?

jump in the way back machine, lose Michigan and Florida, and *then* contest them?

she hasn't challenged either, as far as I know, but are you really going to tell me that if it was a dead heat between Clinton and Obama, and Obama was the one who won the states without delegates, he wouldn't challenge it?

 

[Lemon law]

I don't want to call democratic voters apathetic because they are not, but issue wise, there is little to separate Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. So in that sense, its hard to get really excited when no matter what happens, you get your choice or a clone of that choice.

But rest assured, come the general election, the democratic party will be engaged and excited in the task of clobbering whatever candidate the GOP chooses to nominate.

Its hard for me to see the GOP coming into the general election either united or enthusiastic.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I don't want to call democratic voters apathetic because they are not, but issue wise, there is little to separate Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. So in that sense, its hard to get really excited when no matter what happens, you get your choice or a clone of that choice.

But rest assured, come the general election, the democratic party will be engaged and excited in the task of clobbering whatever candidate the GOP chooses to nominate.

Its hard for me to see the GOP coming into the general election either united or enthusiastic.

Considering that in South Carolina, a very heavily Red state, about 100,000 more Democrats than Republicans voted in their respective primaries, I would have to contest your view that the Democrats aren't yet excited by their candidates.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: reeserock
I hope Edwards comes in 2nd. Might make super tuesday more interesting.

indeed.

at this rate, Edwards might have a chance if he just spends another 200 years campaigning.

That is a scary thought.

I can see people asking the 'is he too old' question at the rate he is going.

 

[palehorse]

From CNN.com....

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

 

[ProfJohn]

While it may not mater in the long run, this is a HUGE loss.

Remember this is the Hillary Clinton that was going to cruise to the nomination. The Hillary that had the 20 point lead a few months ago.

I still think Hillary will win the nomination, but this shows her weakness and the fact that she can be beaten.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From cnn.com...

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

It is surprising. Didn't the polls show him winning by ~8%?

It appears that polls are still useless when it comes to making predictions about any of the top contenders...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
From CNN.com....

The Illinois senator earned more than twice the vote that rival Sen. Hillary Clinton did, 55 percent to 27 percent, unofficial returns showed.

:Q Ouch, that has to sting a bit for the Billary fanbois! :Q

I don't think double digits was a surprise, but 27% sure was! :laugh:

 

[ProfJohn]

The Wall Street Journal said he need a double digit victory for it to really count.

Does having 100% more votes than Hillary count as a triple digit victory?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The Wall Street Journal said he need a double digit victory for it to really count.

Does having 100% more votes than Hillary count as a triple digit victory?

That depends on your definition of "100%" :laugh:

 

[daveymark]

it'll be interesting to see Team Clinton react. the mud-slinging failed miserably. it's almost as if they don't know what to do now, all they're good at is slinging that mud...

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Pabster
GO OBAMA GO!

Funny, Obama is the candidate furtherst away from your political views.

Which says a lot about Obama and his ability to attract support from the entire country.

it appears that it's not about seeing obama win, it's about seeing hildebeest lose.

I would do anything for this country to stop having the same 2 families incharge. Why do people not understand that this is a MASSIVE problem. Government is NOT a family business.. Especially at that level.