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[Tup3x]

I'm on a 5900X. I would get a 5950X3D to help me hold on another year until Zen6 on AM5 (and non-ridiculous RAM prices). I won't get a 5800X3D because I kind of need the MT performance.

I too would upgrade.

 

[Panino Manino]

Surprised to see some crazy expectations here.

Did you all see how demonic Leather Jacket speech has become?
And did you all also forgot that Lisa shares blood with that thing?
Some people are really hoping and fantasizing that AMD or any other tech company will ever again do something "nice" for end users and the world?
Equally as delusional as those evil specters, just give up all hope, cry and resign. This isn't a market anyone, it's a soul extracting machine.

 

[LightningZ71]

If there's a market to sell to, and available capacity at REASONABLE prices to use, they'll market a product. That's just business. So long as it doesn't hurt leading edge volume, which this likely won't, it make sense.

I just don't know TSMC's available capacity on N7/N6 or what they would charge for it. I would still love to see one last hurrah for AM4 with an N6 variant of the 5950X and 5800X3D get released. The slight efficiency improvement on that node could provide notable benefit for MT on both products.

 

[Hulk]

Surprised to see some crazy expectations here.

Did you all see how demonic Leather Jacket speech has become?
And did you all also forgot that Lisa shares blood with that thing?
Some people are really hoping and fantasizing that AMD or any other tech company will ever again do something "nice" for end users and the world?
Equally as delusional as those evil specters, just give up all hope, cry and resign. This isn't a market anyone, it's a soul extracting machine.

While I think the constant leather jacket thing is kind of strange, I don't see how his business actions are "evil?"
If you don't agree with the person behind the product, the product itself, or the pricing of the product, then just don't buy it.
It would be evil if you were forced to buy the product.

He started an amazing company. He is reaping the benefits of his brilliance and risk taking, leather jackets and all.
Am I jealous of all of his success and money? Yeah sure a little I guess. It must be amazing. But he did it, not me and he didn't force me to do or buy anything. What he did is push the technology to and past the limit of where we thought it could go.

Does it suck that a 5080 FE has an MSRP of $999 but you have to pay $1,600 for it? Yes it sucks. AMD and Intel should capitalize on that and fill the void if they can. If they can't then nVidia is the smartest (for now) and get to enjoy the fruits of their smarts.

I mean honestly there are a lot of affordable gaming gpu's. I WANT a 5090 for $500 too!

You vote with your wallet.

 

[DrMrLordX]

AMD and Intel should capitalize on that and fill the void if they can.

There's a bigger void, and AMD is looking to fill that first.

 

[Thunder 57]

He did not. He did use it for GPUs, and how well 2x8GB is holding up currently. It is not CPU heavy enough for testing. Best guess is, the 3700X or 10th gen 8 core are the minimum for using ARC. I've seen a Ryzen 3600 play the game at 1080 ultra nightmare, smoothly above 60fps.

If a game in his suite was going to expose 6c Zen 3 vs the higher SKUs, it would be Battlefield 6.

I've had a lot of fun with the Vega APUs. Still have a pro 2400g in the OG deskmini. The 5500GT was $99 or so on Amazon, at one point, but stock dried up. They have boosted the prices on all the Zen 3 SKUs that are left. 5500 is $92. Glad I got it for $55 back in October.

Ultra nightmare? Are you a sadist?

 

[eek2121]

AMD could easily sell AM4 CPUs. There are a lot of folks who built a Zen 3 system and skipped Zen 4/5. Shoot, I only upgraded to Zen 4 because the clocks for the 16 core part were insane, which improved performance in gaming as well as the work related tasks I did at the time.

I also think they could launch a Zen 5 AM4 part and it would have no issues being sold. There is a ton of AM4/DDR4 gear out there. The only issue is the BIOS updates.

 

[Thibsie]

I also think they could launch a Zen 5 AM4 part and it would have no issues being sold. There is a ton of AM4/DDR4 gear out there. The only issue is the BIOS updates.

And the expected performance loss.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Speculation about backported, or whatever, Zen4 or 5 CPUs is something that had not crossed my mind. AM4 RDNA graphics? Yes please.

The first order of business is ramping up supply of the existing CPUs. Amazon has sold through a lot of their SKUs. It is down to 3rd party, with delivery dates that look like they are sourced from other markets.

 

[bsp2020]

Wouldn't the large cache on X3D part mediate the performance loss? It would be a very interesting product if AMD can release 7800X3D CCD with
AM4 IO die. Is any body willing to bench mark 7800X3D with DDR5 3200 vs 6400? It would be interesting to find out...

 

[jpiniero]

Speculation about backported, or whatever, Zen4 or 5 CPUs is something that had not crossed my mind. AM4 RDNA graphics? Yes please.

The first order of business is ramping up supply of the existing CPUs. Amazon has sold through a lot of their SKUs. It is down to 3rd party, with delivery dates that look like they are sourced from other markets.

The unknown is how far they got in validating Zen 4 on AM4.

I think it's unlikely they do anything other than restarting regular Zen 3 production (and maybe some Milan)

 

[maddie]

Wouldn't the large cache on X3D part mediate the performance loss? It would be a very interesting product if AMD can release 7800X3D CCD with
AM4 IO die. Is any body willing to bench mark 7800X3D with DDR5 3200 vs 6400? It would be interesting to find out...

Adjusting the latency as well to match.

 

[Nothingness]

AMD could easily sell AM4 CPUs. There are a lot of folks who built a Zen 3 system and skipped Zen 4/5. Shoot, I only upgraded to Zen 4 because the clocks for the 16 core part were insane, which improved performance in gaming as well as the work related tasks I did at the time.

I also think they could launch a Zen 5 AM4 part and it would have no issues being sold. There is a ton of AM4/DDR4 gear out there. The only issue is the BIOS updates.

Yeah changing the DRAM controller so that Zen5 supports DDR4 is trivial. After all it's only copying and pasting the code from previous generation.

 

[LightningZ71]

One new CCD,, N6, 6 cores, 32MB L3 zen4 same IF interface as the Zen3 CCD, TSVs for 3d stacked cache CCD. Same IOD as zen3.

4 SKUs
5645X 6 cores, 32 MB L3.
5645X3D 6 cores+ 3D cache
5945X 12 cores, 2 x 32MB L3
5945X3D, 12 cores, + 3D cache

Might be the lowest cost option to make a product worth selling.

(I want to make it clear, this is a SUGGESTION, not a rumor)

 

[Thibsie]

IMO, new CCD means too expensive.

 

[LightningZ71]

Oh, it won't be cheap, and it'll miss the worst of the RAM pricing. Best they could do is a straight shrink to N6 of the existing N7 die.

 

[SteinFG]

They won't do a single thing except ramp up 5600X and 5700X production, it's the easiest thing to do. X3D production is not restarting, most likely.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Oh, it won't be cheap, and it'll miss the worst of the RAM pricing.

This is what I think as well. If they take too long to think about what to do, by the time they have something on the shelves no one will want it because DRAM has stabilized again.

Best they could do is a straight shrink to N6 of the existing N7 die.

There's probably no need for that as they could just bring back Desktop Ryzen 6000 Warhol, which was cancelled in 2021 due to the covid chip shortage.

They won't do a single thing except ramp up 5600X and 5700X production, it's the easiest thing to do. X3D production is not restarting, most likely.

There's no shortage of non-X3D Vermeer CPU stock anywhere AFAIK. People looking to upgrade from Zen3 won't be willing to upgrade to another Zen3 without v-cache.


Ramping up regular Vermeer is fruitless. Either AMD brings up Zen3+ Warhol, and/or restarts X3D production, or something crazier like putting out a new DDR4 IOD that supports Zen 4/5 (that would hurt immensely from DDR4's lower bandwidth unless it was a X3D model) which doesn't seem likely at all.

Or they just look at their options and do nothing which is very likely to be honest.

 

[adroc_thurston]

There's probably no need for that as they could just bring back Desktop Ryzen 6000 Warhol, which was cancelled in 2021 due to the covid chip shortage.

You really think AMD gonna put effort into irrelevant legacy parts?

Ramping up regular Vermeer is fruitless. Either AMD brings up Zen3+ Warhol, and/or restarts X3D production, or something crazier like putting out a new DDR4 IOD that supports Zen 4/5 (that would hurt immensely from DDR4's lower bandwidth unless it was a X3D model) which doesn't seem likely at all.

Ok comedy gold. You can continue.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

You really think AMD gonna put effort into irrelevant legacy parts?

I was simply answering a comment saying AMD could transition Vermeer CCDs to N6. That wouldn't make much sense as that work was already done for Warhol.

Ok comedy gold. You can continue.

Not sure what's so funny for saying that ramping up production of regular Vermeer is worthless because there's no demand for it. They're probably just bringing back production for Zen3 X3D.

AMD is 'definitely looking' at AM4 products in response to high RAM prices | Club386

Could Ryzen 7 5800X3D be about to make a return? AMD tells us that it's not off the cards.

www.club386.com

‘There’s nothing to announce,’ AMD PR manager Matthew Hurwitz told us, ‘but given the current circumstances, we’re definitely looking at things we can do with AM4.’ AMD’s Josh Hort, senior director and head of ISV enabling for computing & graphics, also added that ‘we’re always evaluating the roadmap, right? Whether it’s bringing back 5800, or the 5000-series X3D products, to help fill a gap.’

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This is what I think as well. If they take too long to think about what to do, by the time they have something on the shelves no one will want it because DRAM has stabilized again.

Sales are sizzling over 5 years later. But this time for sure, no one will buy it. Telemetry says there are hordes of older Zen users out there. The market exists. And it could be 2028 before consumer pricing on memory is anything close to it was a few months ago. We have observed that price hikes of hardware result in prices never returning to previous levels, even inflation adjusted. So, upgrading is going to be preferrable for at least a couple of years in all likelihood. If not more. As prices plummeting is not a thing anymore. They constrain manufacturing to ensure it.

There's no shortage of non-X3D Vermeer CPU stock anywhere AFAIK. People looking to upgrade from Zen3 won't be willing to upgrade to another Zen3 without v-cache.

Well now you will know bro. At Amazon U.S. almost the entire stack is 3rd party only with bad pricing. I think the 5800XT is the only first party, and it's $220.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Sales are sizzling over 5 years later. But this time for sure, no one will buy it.

My only point was few gamers are going to upgrade to a non-X3D Zen3 CPU at this point, and AMD has been talking specifically about changing their production roadmap for gamers.

Well now you will know bro. At Amazon U.S. almost the entire stack is 3rd party only with bad pricing. I think the 5800XT is the only first party, and it's $220.

Is there anything wrong with that 5800XT price though?
I went through newegg and it's showing fairly decent prices for AM4 CPUs:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007671+601294614

 

[DAPUNISHER]

My only point was few gamers are going to upgrade to a non-X3D Zen3 CPU at this point,

That's not what the AMD rep stated. As I wrote; telemetry tells them there is a target rich environment/lots of older Zen owners.

Is there anything wrong with that 5800XT price though?

As a drop-in upgrade? Not really. For a new build? Unsavory IMO.

I went through newegg and it's showing fairly decent prices for AM4 CPUs:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007671+601294614

Almost all of them are 3rd party, just like Amazon. These are businesses that do low volume aka new old stock. When they run through what they have, will AMD have shipped more? Newegg and Amazon do not have it for the time being.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I was simply answering a comment saying AMD could transition Vermeer CCDs to N6

Remember that TSM already did ninja everything to N6 for cycle times.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

That's not what the AMD rep stated. As I wrote; telemetry tells them there is a target rich environment/lots of older Zen owners.

Are you sure there are lots of Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2 users on the market for an upgrade out there?

AMD's original statements on bringing back AM4 specifically mentioned gamers:

McAfee stated that AMD "[is] certainly looking at everything that [it] can do to bring more supply and kind of reintroduce products back into the [AM4] ecosystem to satisfy the demands of gamers that maybe want that significant upgrade in their AM4 platform without having to rebuild their entire system", further adding that he thinks this is "definitely something [AMD is] very actively working on."

My take would be that gamers (more dependent on single-threaded performance) are either on Zen 3 or probably had already moved on to AM5.
Zen, Zen+ and Zen2 are all pretty old at this point and it doesn't look like there would be a lot of those still around in 2025 that hadn't either upgraded to Zen 3 or AM5.

The AM4 gamers most likely to be on the market for an upgrade should be Zen3 users as they'd be the last in line to upgrade to AM5. And for those, churning out more vcache-less CPUs wouldn't do much good.