***OFFICIAL*** Republican National Convention thread ***CONFIRMED***

[gorobei]

The reason Manafort approved of the speech and Ted went over on his time is because the speech Ted read wasn't the one he showed Manafort.

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Ol' Lyin' Ted lied to them...lol!

im afraid the political kabuki goes a bit deeper than that.

manafort is smart enough to know cruz wasnt going to endorse. most likely trump and manafort opted to let cruz hang himself by giving him a primetime slot on wed knowing he would reneg on the pledge thus making cruz the heel. they even gave him overrun minutes in the schedule.

the idea being that it would be good tv as everyone watching would be waiting to see if cruz endorses, "will he or wont he" like scripted reality shows which trump has some familiarity with. trump would be able to sneak out onto the floor and upstage cruz in the process.

rumors are there were delegate whips ready in the new york delegation ready to get them to boo cruz. there are reports that John Halprin was on the floor next to manafort as they were cuing the booing and asked him if he arranged the whips. manafort supposedly just smiled and said nothing.


the takeaway is that trump wanted to upstage cruz one last time even if it torpedoed pence's 2nd first introduction. the main upside is it poisons the well for cruz in the party and weakens his chances in 2020(assuming trump loses)

if this is true, it generally falls in line with the view that trump is a narcissist and sociopath. his only motivation being self aggrandizement and petty revenge. cruz like the scorpion of fable does what is his nature and trump gets to look like the star while the crowd boos cruz off.

its a bit of a dick move as it tramples over what should have been mike pence's national debut, but instead all the news media tomorrow will be about cruz being the heel. however pence knew what he was getting in bed with.

the biggest downside is that it makes trumps campaign staff look like chumps for not knowing/controlling what cruz would say/do and not playing it smart by putting him on monday where he couldnt do any real damage.

but clearly trump has never really cared about winning. the rumors are the whole campaign is part of his move into news/media with TrumpTv.

 

[compuwiz1]

but clearly trump has never really cared about winning. the rumors are the whole campaign is part of his move into news/media with TrumpTv.

So, if he wins, he's the accidental/unintentional president, who also towed his whole family through the whole gig, and made them work their asses off? Not such a good daddy, if that's the case.

 

[DrDoug]

im afraid the political kabuki goes a bit deeper than that.

manafort is smart enough to know cruz wasnt going to endorse. most likely trump and manafort opted to let cruz hang himself by giving him a primetime slot on wed knowing he would reneg on the pledge thus making cruz the heel. they even gave him overrun minutes in the schedule.

the idea being that it would be good tv as everyone watching would be waiting to see if cruz endorses, "will he or wont he" like scripted reality shows which trump has some familiarity with. trump would be able to sneak out onto the floor and upstage cruz in the process.

rumors are there were delegate whips ready in the new york delegation ready to get them to boo cruz. there are reports that John Halprin was on the floor next to manafort as they were cuing the booing and asked him if he arranged the whips. manafort supposedly just smiled and said nothing.


the takeaway is that trump wanted to upstage cruz one last time even if it torpedoed pence's 2nd first introduction. the main upside is it poisons the well for cruz in the party and weakens his chances in 2020(assuming trump loses)

if this is true, it generally falls in line with the view that trump is a narcissist and sociopath. his only motivation being self aggrandizement and petty revenge. cruz like the scorpion of fable does what is his nature and trump gets to look like the star while the crowd boos cruz off.

its a bit of a dick move as it tramples over what should have been mike pence's national debut, but instead all the news media tomorrow will be about cruz being the heel. however pence knew what he was getting in bed with.

the biggest downside is that it makes trumps campaign staff look like chumps for not knowing/controlling what cruz would say/do and not playing it smart by putting him on monday where he couldnt do any real damage.

but clearly trump has never really cared about winning. the rumors are the whole campaign is part of his move into news/media with TrumpTv.

Places like Redstate are cheering Cruz and his actions last night convinced them that he is "the real deal" and is positioning himself for 2020. They are Never Trump and want him to go down in flames this fall so guys like Ted can rebuild the party with "true conservatives" like him.

Trump has dissed Ted, his wife and his dad. Ted fired back tonight, shit all over Trump, stole the show and walked off with a smile.

 

[compuwiz1]

Places like Redstate are cheering Cruz and his actions last night convinced them that he is "the real deal" and is positioning himself for 2020. They are Never Trump and want him to go down in flames this fall so guys like Ted can rebuild the party with "true conservatives" like him.

Trump has dissed Ted, his wife and his dad. Ted fired back tonight, shit all over Trump, stole the show and walked off with a smile.

Ted trolled the convention. lol
That will actually go in the history books. I'll be dead by then, but in some classroom, somewhere, they will be reading about it.

 

[nickqt]

"If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution."

[BOOING ERUPTS]

A Republican told Strongman Trump supporters to vote their conscience and elect people to defend freedom and the constitution, and he got booed.

Trump/Pence 2016: Because freedom and the constitution are for losers.

Sad!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

"If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution."

Be sure to place a write in vote for me come November

 

[dawheat]

Sigh - this is the man and leadership that could run a country. They can't run a campaign and convention with discipline and organization, and this with what should be your supporters. Disarray and confusion - the best case scenario of a Trump presidency.

 

[zinfamous]

I just watched the end of it and there was a lot of ruckus. It was more like 49/51 applause to boos ratio for Cruz for not endorsing Trump. Kind of like a soccer or football game.

Either way, I dont think that should have happened. But then again, nothing is 'normal' anymore. :|

Watch for yourself and decide:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...fusing-to-endorse-trump/ar-BBuzL7g?li=BBnb7Kz

Looks like your prayers for him yesterday didn't have the effect you hoped for, eh?

 

[zinfamous]

Ted trolled the convention. lol
That will actually go in the history books. I'll be dead by then, but in some classroom, somewhere, they will be reading about it.

I have to say, ted is a scummy mound of dog feces, but that was pretty awesome. Certainly as scummy and classless as expected--more "sour grapes" and thin-skinned of a reaction than a reaction of principles (not that Cruz has ever been known for principles)--but still pretty awesome.

 

[zinfamous]

Nobody seems to want to talk about the speeches given by the non-white employees, women and other associates who have been with Trump for years. The left doesn't want to see the excellent testimony that Trump is not a woman hater, bigot, racist and all the other things the mean stream media, Hillary shills, have been saying. For awhile I wasn't sure. Now I know, the media has been selling a bullshit narrative that I refuse to buy. I've been friends with a couple Hispanic ladies on social media for a couple years, who are employees of his, as well as one of his ex girlfriends. They've never had a bad thing to say about him. Him wanting to secure the border and suspend immigration from terrorist hot spots, have been blown way out of proportion, to include the media convincing the sheep that he hates all Mexicans and all Muslims. That's just not true!

Well, perhaps Trump should stop speaking the vile language of a woman-hating, racist bigot?

Why not blame the actual words from the actual mouth of the actual man rather than the organizations whose only real charge is to report those words as accurately and fairly as possible?

 

[zinfamous]

That would be you and the other libs, who have bought the bullshit fed to you by the biased, dishonest media.They've programmed you well. I bet you didn't watch any of the speakers and know nothing about the diversity in the room. The whole, unedited, real time C-Span broadcast, not the clipped off stuff on the mainstream media. Be honest!

yeah, you probably think Hillary was responsible for BENGAZI and murdering US citizens and probably also murdered Vince Foster.

 

[Painman]

yeah, you probably think Hillary was responsible for BENGAZI and murdering US citizens and probably also murdered Vince Foster.

What/Who makes that an unreasonable point of view? Alex Jones? Matt Drudge?

 

[DougK62]

Nobody seems to want to talk about the speeches given by the non-white employees, women and other associates who have been with Trump for years. The left doesn't want to see the excellent testimony that Trump is not a woman hater, bigot, racist and all the other things the mean stream media, Hillary shills, have been saying. For awhile I wasn't sure. Now I know, the media has been selling a bullshit narrative that I refuse to buy. I've been friends with a couple Hispanic ladies on social media for a couple years, who are employees of his, as well as one of his ex girlfriends. They've never had a bad thing to say about him. Him wanting to secure the border and suspend immigration from terrorist hot spots, have been blown way out of proportion, to include the media convincing the sheep that he hates all Mexicans and all Muslims. That's just not true!

"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"

You know that line of reasoning doesn't work, right? A person can completely ignore the media and just hear the words that come straight out of Trump's mouth to make an honest assessment that he is racist and sexist. If he isn't, then why does he constantly make racist and sexist remarks?

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Pretty funny, when I look back through the years and see interviews on various programs, including Oprah, that people weren't running around calling him a racist back then. Only when he decided to run against Hillary, did this manufactured stuff come to center stage.

Trump announced his campaign with a comment about Mexicans that many people considered racist and doubled down with his proposal for a compete ban on Muslim immigration not too long thereafter.

As far as past history, there's always Trump Management lawsuit from sometime in the 70's.

The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available.

...

Without admitting wrongdoing, the Trump Management Corporation settled the original lawsuit two years later and promised not to discriminate against black people, Puerto Ricans or other minorities.

...

Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly discriminating against black applicants by telling them apartments weren’t available.

Or the decisions he made regarding staffing at his casinos prior to 1992.

Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino*$200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.

Or things The Donald has allegedly said about his black employees, going back to '91.

Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

I'm using the Internet! Yeah!

 

[FerrelGeek]

Hate on Ted all you want; I couldn't care less. But frankly, I can't blame the guy for not overtly endorsing Trump. Trump took the primary campaign to a whole new level of dickery. If Trump had any good 'big picture' sense, he'd have met privately with Cruz and done his best to bury the hatchet and Get Ted's (reluctant) backing.

I have to say, ted is a scummy mound of dog feces, but that was pretty awesome. Certainly as scummy and classless as expected--more "sour grapes" and thin-skinned of a reaction than a reaction of principles (not that Cruz has ever been known for principles)--but still pretty awesome.

 

[emperus]

That would be you and the other libs, who have bought the bullshit fed to you by the biased, dishonest media.They've programmed you well. I bet you didn't watch any of the speakers and know nothing about the diversity in the room. The whole, unedited, real time C-Span broadcast, not the clipped off stuff on the mainstream media. Be honest!

Pretty funny, when I look back through the years and see interviews on various programs, including Oprah, that people weren't running around calling him a racist back then. Only when he decided to run against Hillary, did this manufactured stuff come to center stage.
I'm so grateful that I am a person capable of reasoning, that I don't allow myself to believe what the media tells me and then run around calling everything I don't agree with racist, bigoted, misogynist and all the other liberal buzz words that are used.

Our nation doesn't have time for this petty shit. I don't love Trump, but I can't stand Hillary. I hope he clubs her like a baby seal, in November, but I'm not betting either way right now.

Maybe you can tell Trump to reveal what his Investigators found in Hawaii about Obama's birth certificate. I bet you didn't that was racially motivated or xenophobic in any way.

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/08/trump_hawaii_investigators/

 

[fskimospy]

I have to say that I thought all the news about the GOP convention being in total disarray were overblown and I thought Trump was going to get some positive press simply by not hosting a disaster. Turns out I was wrong about that too. The sheer incompetence on display here is insane. Can this guy seriously not even organize an event?

 

[dank69]

I have to say that I thought all the news about the GOP convention being in total disarray were overblown and I thought Trump was going to get some positive press simply by not hosting a disaster. Turns out I was wrong about that too. The sheer incompetence on display here is insane. Can this guy seriously not even organize an event?

And we haven't even started discussing Ingraham's salute yet!

 

[Paratus]

Nobody seems to want to talk about the speeches given by the non-white employees, women and other associates who have been with Trump for years. The left doesn't want to see the excellent testimony that Trump is not a woman hater, bigot, racist and all the other things the mean stream media, Hillary shills, have been saying. For awhile I wasn't sure. Now I know, the media has been selling a bullshit narrative that I refuse to buy. I've been friends with a couple Hispanic ladies on social media for a couple years, who are employees of his, as well as one of his ex girlfriends. They've never had a bad thing to say about him. Him wanting to secure the border and suspend immigration from terrorist hot spots, have been blown way out of proportion, to include the media convincing the sheep that he hates all Mexicans and all Muslims. That's just not true!

Well, perhaps Trump should stop speaking the vile language of a woman-hating, racist bigot?

Why not blame the actual words from the actual mouth of the actual man rather than the organizations whose only real charge is to report those words as accurately and fairly as possible?

I like how compuwiz blamed the media. They just report what he says!

Here's 141 things he's said with links ranked from most worse to least worse.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html

• Said he would force the military to commit war crimes
• Said about women, "You have to treat them like shit"
• Proposed to create a database to track Muslims in the US
• Said a US born judge could be impartial because of his Mexican heritage
• Advocated assassinating terrorists families
• Advocated waterboarding as punishment even if it doesn’t help gain information, because “they deserve it anyway”
• Said women should be punished for having an abortion
• Promised to deport U.S. citizens whose parents immigrated illegally, in violation of the 14th Amendment
• Urged supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies
• Made fun of a reporters physical disabilities

 

[zinfamous]

Hate on Ted all you want; I couldn't care less. But frankly, I can't blame the guy for not overtly endorsing Trump. Trump took the primary campaign to a whole new level of dickery. If Trump had any good 'big picture' sense, he'd have met privately with Cruz and done his best to bury the hatchet and Get Ted's (reluctant) backing.

I do agree here. It shows that at the very least, Ted does have backbone and can't so easily sweep away the awful things Trump said about him. Cruz may be the "most miserable son of a bitch" that John Boener ever met, but at least he isn't so easily coddled by some false requirement to support a person that he has every reason to hate.

My primary criticism regarding Ted in this speech, though, is that his actions don't come from some actual moral principle but merely from the same sort of self-serving revenge-seeking attitude that has wholly characterized his tiny career within the US senate, throughout his professional life, and as related of his character from, essentially, every single person that has ever known him.

 

[Subyman]

I actually have a bit more respect for Ted. He said several weeks ago that he wouldn't support him and the pledge didn't extend to someone who slanders his wife and father. IMO, him Kasich and Bush are the only candidates that act like normal humans. The others are, like Ted says, servile lap dogs.

I think this was a good long term choice for Ted. A trump campaign and a trump presidency does not end well, no matter what happens. No way can Trump keep this smoking jalopy on the road for 4 years.

 

[ElFenix]

Ted is a ham-fisted Nixon, but his supporters really love ham (would probably include it in the US visa process)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ted is a ham-fisted Nixon, but his supporters really love ham (would probably include it in the US visa process)

And Mooooslims don't like it

 

[woolfe9998]

Thats true. Now remember, the media is not supposed to be biased. Yet you get headlines from MSN, etc, saying things like Cruz was "booed off the stage" when really any reasonable human can see no such thing happened.

Then they sensationalized it using Donald Trump's exact words which he tweeted:

Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!

You don't like that description? Take it up with the GOP's candidate.

 

[mizzou]

I heard Ted lie to his Texas constituents this morning, he said something about how he didn't say anything negative against Trump. Really? He said vote with your conscious up and down the ballot list. That was his stump speech when he was trying to win the nomination. Ted is very obviously being passive aggressive and telling everyone to not vote for trump and basically saying (I'm still your guy!)

Just come out and say you don't support him and you won't vote for him because of the nasty election. This is why people won't trust politicians, people like Ted won't say what they mean and will lie to everyone.