**Official** Matrix Revolutions Thread **w/ SPOILERS**

[Howard]

Originally posted by: moonwalker8701

How would they return a normal life without the sun's energy?

As a matter of fact, where the hell do they get their energy, food, clothing, and metals from?

zion is built in the center of the earth. the center of the earth is the hottest place on the planet. molten lava churns and works better than your gas stove. several minerals and metals (like iron) are located in the core.

Earth's Layers

as far as food is concerned, who knows. this is the future. maybe they can convert crap into food.
and as far as clothing is concerned, i think it would have been better if there was none to begin with. j/k.

I highly doubt it. The machine city was on the surface. Drilling through ~5-6Mm of solid rock would take a hell of a lot longer than what was portrayed in the movie.

 

[OIKOS]

i ono... havent even watched Matrix Reloaded....

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: moonwalker8701

How would they return a normal life without the sun's energy?

As a matter of fact, where the hell do they get their energy, food, clothing, and metals from?

zion is built in the center of the earth. the center of the earth is the hottest place on the planet. molten lava churns and works better than your gas stove. several minerals and metals (like iron) are located in the core.

Earth's Layers

as far as food is concerned, who knows. this is the future. maybe they can convert crap into food.
and as far as clothing is concerned, i think it would have been better if there was none to begin with. j/k.

I highly doubt it. The machine city was on the surface. Drilling through ~5-6Mm of solid rock would take a hell of a lot longer than what was portrayed in the movie.

It wasn't built in the center of the earth but I thought it was explained in the first movie that Zion was built underground far enough to take advantage of geo-thermal energy.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Luagsch

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
The end of the movie shows a freshly rebooted matrix. If Smith took over everyone, that would mean that the entire crop has been lost. So who is in the matrix now, other than the programs?

the people the agents took over survive it. they just lose orientation, cause they don't know where they are and how they got there. i guess the same happened with peopke took over by smith. so humans are still alive.
(look at the matrix-comics on the official site for evidence on this)

This was one of the loose ends left untied... it's safe to assume that even whatever happened to the humans, the Matrix has either found more or yes the humans did survive because the Matrix has been rebooted and is back to normal.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: moonwalker8701
***SPOILERS***

ok. here we go.

First, I had large expectations coming into this movie, particularly after watching over and over the trailer. I expected a lot of answers and the development of the morevingian (how do u spell?), seraph, and agent smith. however, i think the movie left a lot to be unexplained or at least a lot that had to be inferred. so here's what i think.

the ARCHITECT. the architect is the one who created the matrix. he's in charge of the rules and boundaries. he thinks logically and mathematically.

the ORACLE. the oracle creates programs. that's how she knows how everything will turn out. in the second movie, the architect explains that she is the "mother". when she talks to neo on the bench and points out the birds and how there are programs running around that nobody thinks about, she's the one that made them. she made the sky, wind, heck even the birds. of course, it is these programs that confine to the rules created by the architect. she makes life acceptable to the human race. (of course, once smith has assimilated the oracle, he has her powers, and can then "see" into the future, and change the matrix as he sees fit).

SMITH. First, smith is a program, who is originally designed by the oracle. that's why he himself refers to her as "mother". his original duty is to maintain order in the matrix; to prevent people from jacking out. he first captures neo and attempts to make him a personal henchman and help track down rogues such as morpheus and trinity.

However, smith is not like most agents. in the first movie, when he is cracking into morpheus, he already seems "tired" and "disgusted" of being there. he has a desire for power. he somewhat feels, desires, and senses, like a human.

NEO. the purpose of the one was originally to make the choice of saving zion, pick his litter, and continue the ongoing cycle. but neo is different and it is something the architect cannot comprehend. neo thinks irrationally (not in a stupid manner), but in the way he lets his emotions affect his decision to first save trinity in the second movie.

after this, neo's purpose changes. his purpose becomes to destroy smith. and this is of course, the only reason the machines spare him of life. smith has evolved into a virus. one who has infected the entire matrix, has been able to infect a person in the human world (bain), and may likely corrupt the machine world. the machines need neo to destroy smith.

i believe the oracle, in a way, uses neo to meet her goals. remember, she is there to make a world acceptable for humans. with smith there, that world is now corrupt. so neo is sent to go destroy smith.

when smith starts talking about, "everything that has a beginning has an end", neo realizes how to destroy smith. similar to jesus giving up his life, neo sacrifices his life to save the world. by letting smith assimilate neo, smith no longer has a purpose. and of course, "without purpose, we would not exist". i agree with some other people who argue that the equation must balance itself out when neo is destroyed. but i also feel that once neo is assimilated by smith, the machines (who are hard-connected to neo) can irradicate the virus and clean up the matrix.

thus, order is restored and a (cheesy) shining sun emerges.

ENDING. a lot of people think neo's purpose was ultimately pointless. the humans are still being used as batteries and those not are still living in a stink-hole. but hey, at least the war is over. and i think that perhaps is what the wachowski brothers were getting at (even though, yes, i think the ending did stink).

war is bad, any way u look at it. there are no winners from war. the only way war can be solved is through peace.

now, some loose ends. serious and not serious. u figure it out.

morevingian:had to infer on this one, but i think that he can make programs, similar to but nowhere close to being as powerful as the oracle.

persephone: there simply to salivate my tongue and yes i probably missed out on some key conversation by the morevingian because i was too busy staring at her breasts. (!!!)

little indian girl: can make programs (ex: sun at the end). did seraph seem to pay a lot of attention to her because she was special? oracle 3.0??? who knows.

oracle: loving mom who cares about her children.
architect: dad who never cared and was hoping smith would grow up to be like him.

morpheus: martin luther king, jr in disguise.

trinity: the reason neo chose irrationally.

neo: the savior of course. come on, they had him lying in a cross figure at the end.

now what exactly were those things that could stand up-side down?

Good summary, but you're missing the MAJOR POINT that was explained at the end: Humans now have free choice to leave the Matrix if they choose. THAT is the whole dilemma that Neo fought for, so that humans would not be enslaved if they didn't want to anymore.

 

[CZroe]

I actually told people Matrix: Reloaded was good because I thought it would be totally vindicated by the third film. Boy am I dissapointed.

The Brothers are so full of themselves... I have no respect for them, only their pioneering use of SFX techniques in the first film which are standard today and the spin-off universe it created for The Animatrix.

These guys don't know a damn thing... They imagine garbage and expect us to eat it all up. It's no wonder one has become a pre-surgery transvestite. How can you make a decent follow-up if you can't even decide your own gender?

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: moonwalker8701

How would they return a normal life without the sun's energy?

As a matter of fact, where the hell do they get their energy, food, clothing, and metals from?

zion is built in the center of the earth. the center of the earth is the hottest place on the planet. molten lava churns and works better than your gas stove. several minerals and metals (like iron) are located in the core.

Earth's Layers

as far as food is concerned, who knows. this is the future. maybe they can convert crap into food.
and as far as clothing is concerned, i think it would have been better if there was none to begin with. j/k.

The comics on the matrix site speak of some sort of bug that is rich in protein that they catch(the goop the crew eats in the first movie). It also shows that there are wheat fields available on the surface of the earth.

Originally posted by: CZroe
I actually told people Matrix: Reloaded was good because I thought it would be totally vindicated by the third film. Boy am I dissapointed.

I feel the same way.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: Luagsch

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
The end of the movie shows a freshly rebooted matrix. If Smith took over everyone, that would mean that the entire crop has been lost. So who is in the matrix now, other than the programs?

the people the agents took over survive it. they just lose orientation, cause they don't know where they are and how they got there. i guess the same happened with peopke took over by smith. so humans are still alive.
(look at the matrix-comics on the official site for evidence on this)

Then by that logic Neo's body should have still been there write next to the oracles... and we didn't see the residual bodies of the thousands of smiths that exploded.

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Smith was brought about to bring balance to the equation that Neo was a variable of. The Oracle said, "Everything has a beginning and an end." Smith repeated that in the crater. Neo realized nothing could be done about Smith until Smith's purpose was complete. When Smith infected Neo his purpose was at an end. Neo's sacrafice allowed the Matrix to delete Smith.

Or something like that.

Ok so your answer to my question is that Neo had to let Smith take over him only in the Matrix world. Oh ok, so if Neo died in the REAL world then smith would win in the matrix world and thus destroy the Matrix, which would've killed all the machines in the Real world, after the machines killed all the humans in Zion. Thus total anhilation of humans and robots, which is why smith tried to kill Neo on Nyobi's ship.

So is Neo dead? I would think not since the Oracle was a Smith and she survived... but I could be wrong.

and why did the Oracle age?

Lastly what exactly is the source? The Sun? The Matrix Spirit? I don't know cause some people here talk about it as it it was a person (like god).

I don't know, but when Neo was blind it seemed like he got some type of wifi transmitter in his head that let him hack into the matrix without being plugged in. I kept thinking "Wireless Freedom baby!"

someone care to answer my questions please...

 

[Luagsch]

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg

Originally posted by: Luagsch

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
The end of the movie shows a freshly rebooted matrix. If Smith took over everyone, that would mean that the entire crop has been lost. So who is in the matrix now, other than the programs?

the people the agents took over survive it. they just lose orientation, cause they don't know where they are and how they got there. i guess the same happened with peopke took over by smith. so humans are still alive.
(look at the matrix-comics on the official site for evidence on this)

Then by that logic Neo's body should have still been there right next to the oracles... and we didn't see the residual bodies of the thousands of smiths that exploded.

- neo was erased too (or inserted in the source, or as he lost his residual self-image as he is dead, it wuld be easy to erase the trace), so he doesn't count.
- next we see the girl, but the angle of the shot is so close, that it's impossible to say if there was anyone else around.
- and last but not least, it apears that people could be transported without problem within the matrix (copy/paste-style. remember neo in the first movie. he always seemed to be taken hourlong trips away from home, but he still ended waking up in his bed, not knowing if it was a dream or not. so it could be possible to just let everyone wake up at home in their bed with a feeling that they have been dreaming something weird). so this would have been possible when they overwrote the matrix (scene with the cat (deja-vue style like in the first movie) coming to the girl)
- in the end the oracle asks the architect "what about the others?" so there seem to be still people around.

just my take on this

 

[ucvb6]

I just watched the movie yesterday and wanted to ask some insight. I read up to page 8 and couldn't wait, so sorry if this was posted already.

Regarding agent smiths death. Remember when the oracle said to neo that everything was an "equation" and it was all about "balancing equations"? well, my take is that when smith took over neo, they cancelled each other out, like an equation. and therefore, the machine world was able to exist and move on.

let me know what you think.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ucvb6
I just watched the movie yesterday and wanted to ask some insight. I read up to page 8 and couldn't wait, so sorry if this was posted already.

Regarding agent smiths death. Remember when the oracle said to neo that everything was an "equation" and it was all about "balancing equations"? well, my take is that when smith took over neo, they cancelled each other out, like an equation. and therefore, the machine world was able to exist and move on.

let me know what you think.

That is correct... overall they did balance each other out, b/c Neo chose to lose to him and that was the only way to defeat Smith (they were pretty much equals power wise, the Oracle and Machine source turned the tide).

 

[CZroe]

Bwa ha ha ha! Page numbers make no difference to me!

I set my posts displayed per page option to the maximum:
100

It's a liesurely read through four pages

EDIT: When did I hit 3,000 posts?! I missed it

 

[joinT]

Originally posted by: Ziptar
Well.. that was a waste.. Just not the third one... The third one ruined the previous two..... The whole Trilogy is crap now aside from seeing some really cool effects..

.....

Yeah.. The matrix Trilogy is over allright.. They killed it.... The ending of this one strips away any intrpretation, symbolism, or mystery of the Matrix Series... It turns the whole thing into homginized, prepacked, Hollywood commercial piece of crap..


I can't agree more with the Rolling Stone Reviwer...

As for the big-payoff ending -- the equivalent of a Viking funeral -- it reduces the Wachowskis' take on the Judeo-Christian ethic to Hollywood gloss. Cueing the music, the sunshine and the hint of another sequel can't distract us from the fact that nothing is revealed. Neo, dude, you blew it.

It is defineitly a rotten tomato.. Someone give me a Blue Pill so I can forget it ever happend...

I have to agree with this... I was VERY dissapointed with the third movie. The 2nd movie raised a lot of mysteries/questions - but the answers were garbage.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

How exactly would you have had it end?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg

Originally posted by: moonwalker8701

How would they return a normal life without the sun's energy?

As a matter of fact, where the hell do they get their energy, food, clothing, and metals from?

zion is built in the center of the earth. the center of the earth is the hottest place on the planet. molten lava churns and works better than your gas stove. several minerals and metals (like iron) are located in the core.

Earth's Layers

as far as food is concerned, who knows. this is the future. maybe they can convert crap into food.
and as far as clothing is concerned, i think it would have been better if there was none to begin with. j/k.

The comics on the matrix site speak of some sort of bug that is rich in protein that they catch(the goop the crew eats in the first movie). It also shows that there are wheat fields available on the surface of the earth.

Originally posted by: CZroe
I actually told people Matrix: Reloaded was good because I thought it would be totally vindicated by the third film. Boy am I dissapointed.

I feel the same way.

Wheat? How does it grow?

 

[SWScorch]

well, I just came back from seeing it, and here are my thoughts.

First of all, this, and the second one, are nothing like the first movie. I don't know exactly why; they're just missing some of the atmosphere and eeriness of the first one. Now that we know what's going on and it's not so mysterious, it has lost some of the appeal. It turned from "holy crap; this is awesome, what is the matrix, what's happening" to "holy crap, these fight scenes are awesome."

With that said, I still really liked these movies. I thought Reloaded was great, even if it did ventire away from the orginal. And this one is even better it's a LOT more intense and personal. My heart was pounding during this movie, and I was truly engrossed. It is a terrific movie, even if it is nothing like the first one. I feel it was money well spent.

 

[replicator]

Originally posted by: ucvb6
I just watched the movie yesterday and wanted to ask some insight. I read up to page 8 and couldn't wait, so sorry if this was posted already.

Regarding agent smiths death. Remember when the oracle said to neo that everything was an "equation" and it was all about "balancing equations"? well, my take is that when smith took over neo, they cancelled each other out, like an equation. and therefore, the machine world was able to exist and move on.

let me know what you think.

That's the exact thought that came into my mind. One cannot exist without the other.

I liked the movie very much. Sure I didn't understand everything, and I think it was meant to be that way. It is not a fault for a story not to clean up every lose end. Alot of matrix reminds me of Gibsons Necromancer, and that novel leaves alot to interpretation. If you read it, you'll probably know what I mean.

Matrix in my view is entertainment, but good science fiction as well. It brings up the usual questions about the relationship between the mortal body, psyche, and the machine.

 

[Linux23]

Wait a minute, the Matrix was rebooted at the end? Or did the Architect just make changes to it, ala Matrix 1, in the building where Morpheus sacrifices himself for Neo?

 

[godspeedx]

It rocked the second viewing.

AND I GET THE ENDING!!!!

The little girl is a program, I think peace - or maybe to control the sun. Well anyway she is now a program with purpose.

WOO!

One question though - What does it mean when she is referred to as "the last exile"?

 

[NoReMoRsE]

The first Matrix was cool because it combined computer hacking with awesome sci-fi and special effects, with some kung fu and philosophy on the side.

By the third one, all I see is a lot of CGI battles and loose ends.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: godspeedx
It rocked the second viewing.

AND I GET THE ENDING!!!!

The little girl is a program, I think peace - or maybe to control the sun. Well anyway she is now a program with purpose.

WOO!

One question though - What does it mean when she is referred to as "the last exile"?

In a sense, you're right... I just watched it a 2nd time tonight, and really understand what the girl is... basically if you pay attention the Merov says something like, the little girl is the Oracle's new "shell". So basically the Oracle is reprogramming herself, i.e. the little girl represents the birth and growth of the new Oracle. This is why at the end of the flick, the little girl made the sun rise. Also, it explains why the Oracle says she "looks different" now. She has altered herself in order to be reprogrammed. Slowly SATI will become as powerful as the Oracle and even better.

On another note, after Smith is defeated we see the Oracle laying in the rain dead. She is all that is left. Fast forward to the next scene, we see SATI on the ground lifeless until the Matrix is rebooted. It probably symbolizes how the Oracle is the same person as SATI, only being reborn now.

Someone else in this thread mentioned that Sati is a program that represents love. Clearly the emotion "love" led to free will... maybe the Oracle is reprogramming herself to feel the human emotion love now? Maybe since Sati's dad clearly "loved" her and would do anything for her, this is a new evolution of code and the Oracle will rebuild herself to include it now.

All in all, the 2nd time rocks! You definitely pick up on little things you missed before, like when the Trainman punches Neo after Neo wants to help carry the suitcase, one problem. As the train doors close and it's leaving, we see the suitcase still next to Neo! Sucks not having all your clothes

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: godspeedx
It rocked the second viewing.

AND I GET THE ENDING!!!!

The little girl is a program, I think peace - or maybe to control the sun. Well anyway she is now a program with purpose.

WOO!

One question though - What does it mean when she is referred to as "the last exile"?

In a sense, you're right... I just watched it a 2nd time tonight, and really understand what the girl is... basically if you pay attention the Merov says something like, the little girl is the Oracle's new "shell". So basically the Oracle is reprogramming herself, i.e. the little girl represents the birth and growth of the new Oracle. This is why at the end of the flick, the little girl made the sun rise. Also, it explains why the Oracle says she "looks different" now. She has altered herself in order to be reprogrammed. Slowly SATI will become as powerful as the Oracle and even better.

On another note, after Smith is defeated we see the Oracle laying in the rain dead. She is all that is left. Fast forward to the next scene, we see SATI on the ground lifeless until the Matrix is rebooted. It probably symbolizes how the Oracle is the same person as SATI, only being reborn now.

Someone else in this thread mentioned that Sati is a program that represents love. Clearly the emotion "love" led to free will... maybe the Oracle is reprogramming herself to feel the human emotion love now? Maybe since Sati's dad clearly "loved" her and would do anything for her, this is a new evolution of code and the Oracle will rebuild herself to include it now.

All in all, the 2nd time rocks! You definitely pick up on little things you missed before, like when the Trainman punches Neo after Neo wants to help carry the suitcase, one problem. As the train doors close and it's leaving, we see the suitcase still next to Neo! Sucks not having all your clothes

Dude, you didn't notice the suitcase the first time? I definitely thought that poor indian dude would be without his clothes. Maybe I'll go see it a second time, I was sick the first time anyway.

 

[JimRaynor]

I thought the new "shell" was their explaining why the oracle looked different. (cause the other oracle died).

 

[SportSC4]

Here's what I got out of it.
What is the child? (did anyone get the kids name? names have a special meaning in these movies). The kid is the 'product' of a mother and father, in this case, 2 programs. A child represents the love between 2 parents, and in this case, between the two computer programs. In previous incarnations, the 'one' always picked to save humanity instead of love. by picking to save humanity, the matrix reset and the equation remained the same. by neo picking love, the child got the opportunity to get into the matrix (/equation). the computer learned love. IMO, the little girl is much more powerful than the architect and the oracle. she can alter -any- aspect of the matrix. she was needed for peace between the humans and machines.

neo was the result of the unbalanced equation that is the matrix. so who exactly is agent smith? he is also a result of the unbalanced equation, he is neo's opposite. when they combined in the end the equation was balanced.

what exactly is different between this matrix and previous matrices? this time the equation has been balanced. the missing piece was the little girl, aka love.

and it's my opinion that in the movie, billions of pod people are dead. seraph, architect, oracle, little girl are still alive because they are programs. this also makes the decision whether or not the people are free to leave the matrix easy... they're all dead. the only ones that can decide are the ones left alive in zion.