***Official GeForce GTX660/GTX650 Review Thread***

[toyota]

40 watts power draw when gaming is phenomenal, looks like it sits closer to the hd7770 than 7750 in performance. Looks like a really solid design and probably has plenty of OC headroom.

in the tomshardware review it was right below the 7750 with the 7770 easily besting it.




sadly you will have to overclock it just to match the stock gtx550 ti.

 

[Keysplayr]

40 watts power draw when gaming is phenomenal, looks like it sits closer to the hd7770 than 7750 in performance. Looks like a really solid design and probably has plenty of OC headroom.

Yes, looks like a good card for that range. Can play some of the latest game engines at 1080p with modest settings for about 100 buck is pretty nice.

"While Nvidia will never claim this card is designed specifically for 1080p gaming, our testing has highlighted that many currently available game engines run perfectly fine at 1920×1080 with a modest amount of eye candy enabled. Almost every game we tested today with the GTX650 at 1080p delivered a smooth real world gaming experience above thirty frames per second, even when tasked with anti aliasing."

 

[Keysplayr]

in the tomshardware review it was right below the 7750 with the 7770 easily besting it.




sadly you will have to overclock it just to match the stock gtx550 ti.

Yeah see, this graph does not sync with the other reviews. So take each one with a bit of salt. In the KG review the 650 was almost always in between the 7750 and 7770. Toms shows differently.

 

[toyota]

I run my card with a modest oc making it over 30% faster than that gtx650 and I cant even imagine losing 30% over what I have now.

 

[Keysplayr]

I run my card with a modest oc making it over 30% faster than that gtx650 and I cant even imagine losing 30% over what I have now.

Noted, but if you asked 7750/7770/450/550/650 users I'd bet they'd have pros and cons to their personal gaming experiences as well.

 

[railven]

Opinions: Better for PhysX Offloading?

9800 GTX+ or GT(X) 650?

With BL2 preloaded, not sure if my 9800 GTX+ is up for it. Meh, guess I'll find out on tuesday.

 

[Meekers]

Yeah see, this graph does not sync with the other reviews. So take each one with a bit of salt. In the KG review the 650 was almost always in between the 7750 and 7770. Toms shows differently.

That might have something to do with the fact that KG tested a aftermarket OC edition against reference AMD cards. The only surprising thing about that is that it still could not pass a 7700. In this case the 7750 that they used is not only at stock speeds but has passive cooling.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Opinions: Better for PhysX Offloading?

9800 GTX+ or GT(X) 650?

With BL2 preloaded, not sure if my 9800 GTX+ is up for it. Meh, guess I'll find out on tuesday.

650. PhysX only relies on shader power, and the 650 has significantly more than the 9800.

 

[badb0y]

It seems like whenever I read a thread like this RussianSensation is always laying a smackdown on someone.

 

[Keysplayr]

That might have something to do with the fact that KG tested a aftermarket OC edition against reference AMD cards. The only surprising thing about that is that it still could not pass a 7700. In this case the 7750 that they used is not only at stock speeds but has passive cooling.

Probably good for a few fps to be sure.

 

[railven]

That might have something to do with the fact that KG tested a aftermarket OC edition against reference AMD cards. The only surprising thing about that is that it still could not pass a 7700. In this case the 7750 that they used is not only at stock speeds but has passive cooling.

If that's the case, seems the THG chart looks more accurate now.

How much OC does the KG 650 sample have? According to THG the 650 loses to the 7750 by 4%, I wonder if the OC is > than 4% on the clocks.

 

[notty22]

There are factory o/c gtx 650's @1200mhz, it makes me curious how high someone can wind one of these up. They have entry level performance only, but low power draw.

 

[railven]

650. PhysX only relies on shader power, and the 650 has significantly more than the 9800.

Good to know. Will be testing my 9800 GTX+ first, then if it struggles, might bump up to a smoother/cooler GTX 650.

 

[SirPauly]

You missed my point entirely, it was meant to illustrate the performance gains we have after 20-23 months at the same MSRP. It took 6 months for the HD7870 to get to $239 price point where it should have been in the first place. It took 20 months for NVIDIA to launch a 27% faster card at the same MSRP. That makes the first gen 28nm cards having the worst progression in the last 4-5 years.

Imho,

Indeed! Based on history the performance/value ratio based on a substantial node and arch are down. It's also my constructive nit-pick!

 

[toyota]

Good to know. Will be testing my 9800 GTX+ first, then if it struggles, might bump up to a smoother/cooler GTX 650.

to be clear is the 9800gtx just your physx card or your actual only graphics card? if you had a sig that would help. lol

 

[Grooveriding]

Man, look at that 650...

Another mid range stinker from nvidia.

 

[railven]

to be clear is the 9800gtx just your physx card or your actual only graphics card? if you had a sig that would help. lol

Just a PhysX in a hybrid Radeon+GeForce system.

Hmmm...been here long enough, time to add a proper sig haha.

EDIT: And done. Maybe I should get an avatar too haha.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Man, look at that 650...

Another mid range stinker from nvidia.

Might yet be another 2 generations if we are lucky before we get gtx460 performance at $110 or less with the same power draw as the gtx650,but nope not now,still rocking gts450 performance cards at the same damn price.

Only positive is its low power draw i can say that much.

 

[tviceman]

in the tomshardware review it was right below the 7750 with the 7770 easily besting it.




sadly you will have to overclock it just to match the stock gtx550 ti.

The other two reviews show it in a different light. I, like many others here, put very little stock into tomshardware these days. Official reviews from other reputable sites will be out Monday. I am putting my money on those reviews lining up more with the two latest reviews linked in this thread rather than Tom's.

 

[railven]

The other two reviews show it in a different light. I, like many others here, put very little stock into tomshardware these days. Official reviews from other reputable sites will be out Monday. I am putting my money on those reviews lining up more with the two latest reviews linked in this thread rather than Tom's.

As pointed out by meeker, one review is using an OC'ed GTX 650 versus an passively cooled stock HD 7750. So any positive light from that review is already questionable.

I'm more interested in this card for PhysX offloading now haha. price, power, heat, give it to me pasively cooled and I'll be a happy camper.

 

[toyota]

The other two reviews show it in a different light. I, like many others here, put very little stock into tomshardware these days. Official reviews from other reputable sites will be out Monday. I am putting my money on those reviews lining up more with the two latest reviews linked in this thread rather than Tom's.

that is a STOCK card at Toms.

 

[tviceman]

As pointed out by meeker, one review is using an OC'ed GTX 650 versus an passively cooled stock HD 7750. So any positive light from that review is already questionable.

I'm more interested in this card for PhysX offloading now haha. price, power, heat, give it to me pasively cooled and I'll be a happy camper.

that is a STOCK card at Toms.

The card in kitguru's review is overclocked 3%.


3. Percent.

But again, waiting for reviews from more reputable sites.

 

[SirPauly]

When I said most of these points defending the price of the HD 7970 and HD 7950, you know what your response to me was?

Go Premiums

I said them as well - The lack of competition from nVidia created an opportunity for AMD to maximize revenue, profits and margins. Great for AMD; as they can enjoy the fruits of the execution and engineering prowess - be rewarded. Consumer and company still win based on improved margins for company and the fastest GPU for consumer.

This: The 28nm price/performance ratio didn't really improve over 40nm and was my constructive nit-pick. How dare someone say something like this and try to spoil AMD's fantastic execution. How this node was more-so evolutionary and incremental considering the node and arch are substantial and significant. How dare me - must be biased or that dreaded agenda.

The difference is I said the same thing about nVidia and not a single problem with the statement.

 

[Silverforce11]

Man, look at that 650...

Another mid range stinker from nvidia.

It will still be an awesome seller.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I'm sorry but your recent torrents of praise for AMD/GCN make me chuckle when you said, with equal amounts of vigor, the complete opposite less than 4 months ago: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...2&postcount=37 (regarding MSAA and tess)

You argued with so much vigor the exact OPPOSITE of what you are saying now, who is to say you won't be forced to do another 180 by next spring?

Hmm, a big part of his argument 4 months ago was using test results of a DEMO of Dirt Showdown. The official release of the game turned out very different:

http://gamegpu.ru/images/stories/Test_GPU/Simulator/DiRT Showdown/ds 1920.png

And his previous argument regarding tessellation must have been made invalid due the AMD driver improvements? Previously he said the 670 smokes the 7970. Now he's saying they are close, and most reviews do show the cards close in performance in tessellated games.

I think attempting to label Russian pro-AMD or pro-NVIDIA is inaccurate. He's pro-what-he-thinks-at-this-time. And obviously he's subject to change his mind as he gathers more information. That's somewhat of an admirable trait. 4 months ago he was using data from earlier AMD drivers, using a benchmarks of a DEMO of a game, and comparing cards at pricepoints before AMD lowered them on the 7900 series. And as I've heard reviewers say, "There isn't a bad card just a bad price."