Choppers are kinda slow
Esp littlebirds
Tank destroyers atvs jeeps all out run them afaik
Ever since the patch, i can run stingers and rape choppers on bandar by sitting outside the city points
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Choppers are kinda slow
Esp littlebirds
Tank destroyers atvs jeeps all out run them afaik
Ever since the patch, i can run stingers and rape choppers on bandar by sitting outside the city points
Choppers do feel kinda slow unless you are flying really low to the ground. We should get together and set up a race between a jeep, atv, helo, and tank destroyer on a straight flat road to see whats what.
Finally earned that Tank Superiority medal yesterday.
ahhhhh....... feels good to go back to good ol' TDM
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/44805822/1/305137962/
ahhhhh....... feels good to go back to good ol' TDM
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/44805822/1/305137962/
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A few of those videos are pretty sweet, "Operation Teamplay" was awesome with the guy jumping out of a chopper staring down a jet only to RPG the jet and get picked up midair by his friend in another chopper.
Choppers need a buff. On the ground I don't even worry about them and rarely even notice they're there, and when I'm flying one I quickly get frustrated and switch to a jet.
With a jet I can go a whole round barely dying because they're so fast, as soon as I get into some trouble I can just fly away. The only real threat is other jets, other than the odd time multiple heat seekers lock on to me at once.
With the chopper I find it hard to survive a minute. I am admittedly not nearly as experienced with choppers as I am with jets, but it's the same when I take gunner and let someone else fly. As soon as you get into the battle you start getting pounded by jets, heat seekers, stingers, AA, tanks, other choppers, etc..
Choppers' offensive abilities are fine, but they need better survivability. A speed buff would be a huge help getting away from trouble and dodging jets. They should also get a HP buff imo. They should be able to take a lot more hits than a jet.
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Epic heli pilots can still rain complete destruction down. One from my brother's clan [eGO] is so good that he can lay waste to even decent jet pilots from the attack chopper. I've never seen anyone else that good though. Regular 100+kills/5ish deaths on large 64 CQ maps with just the chopper. Sometimes he switches to jets if there is a partiuclarly skilled enemy jet pilot just to knock him down. Not a huge number of 20+KDR players out there though, and most of them are jet exclusive.
Given that, I actually think Jets need some slight nerfs. Number one being the insanely slow crawl speeds they have. I actually saw someone (hacking?) on Caspian in a round earlier slowing the jet to infantry walking speed. I shot an RPG at it, and he accelerated and moved on. I thought it was a fluke, but he did it several other times as well. Besides that, the normal ~20mph crawl speed they have is a joke. Jets fall out of the sky if they hit much below 200 knots, and if you've got the nose up and thrusters just right you can skid them like in air shows at about 80-90 knots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t_D3LNdOUs
Seeing them in slo-mo in BF3 aimed DOWN is hilariously stupid. It's not just a little off-base, they'd probably have a hard time doing that with parachutes attached.
Given that, I actually think Jets need some slight nerfs. Number one being the insanely slow crawl speeds they have. I actually saw someone (hacking?) on Caspian in a round earlier slowing the jet to infantry walking speed. I shot an RPG at it, and he accelerated and moved on. I thought it was a fluke, but he did it several other times as well. Besides that, the normal ~20mph crawl speed they have is a joke. Jets fall out of the sky if they hit much below 200 knots, and if you've got the nose up and thrusters just right you can skid them like in air shows at about 80-90 knots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t_D3LNdOUs
Seeing them in slo-mo in BF3 aimed DOWN is hilariously stupid. It's not just a little off-base, they'd probably have a hard time doing that with parachutes attached.
True, and I think they could use a spotting nerf as well, as in not being able to spot infantry at all. In a single pass I can spot everyone in a 30m radius at all the command points, basically giving wall hacks to my entire team, and making it very easy to strafe infantry, which is where good jet pilots get most of their kills.
Sure, the game may have a bit of balance issues here and there but to cry about how jets or choppers need nerfed because you got owned by a skilled player is ridiculous.
That's the point isn't it, these guys are good with certain aspects of the game, doesn't necessarily mean the game is broken. I get faceraped by jets all the time when I'm on the ground, but these guys who fly jets are really good. However they then get owned by other good jet pilots on my team.
And while jets do own me, the number of my deaths to jet is no where near the number of me getting owned by people shooting me on any given maps.
Stop crying about game being imbalanced and just accept the fact that sometimes, there are players better than you.
That's the point isn't it, these guys are good with certain aspects of the game, doesn't necessarily mean the game is broken. I get faceraped by jets all the time when I'm on the ground, but these guys who fly jets are really good. However they then get owned by other good jet pilots on my team.
And while jets do own me, the number of my deaths to jet is no where near the number of me getting owned by people shooting me on any given maps.
Stop crying about game being imbalanced and just accept the fact that sometimes, there are players better than you.
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Oh, there are one holy hell of a lot of better players than me. I've never reset my stats, and my KDR is taking a slow climb past the 3.2 range. It's not a matter of "crying", or not recognizing that there are better players. It's just a fact that the jets are a bit out of whack at the moment. Some of it is the famous tendencies of BF players to only want to play on winning teams. That kind of knocks out the jet vs jet battles, as the great players usually don't want to even try on a losing team.
Either way it's not the end of the world, I wouldn't want them to nuke jets to the point where they're not a sought-after and elite world. What is bad about them currently is that they can single-handedly make CQ maps, particularly ones with 32 players or less, nearly unplayable in the right hands. No other vehicle is like that, pre-patch helis were close, but not nearly as fast. A good or even halfway decent jet pilot can be anywhere on the map in seconds. The world's greatest heli pilots, tankers, MAA guys, etc, have nowhere near that ability. If they added stall speeds, it would cut down on the endless low-speed strafing runs. To make things even more silly, the non-large CQ maps don't have MAA tanks at all, making it hilariously unbalanced (you can find a ton of jetwhores that play small CQ for this purpose).
I'm mainly a tanker or infantry, but I don't cry about tank nerfs, I think they did a pretty good job scaling them back. Initially the super fast repair rate made them a bit OP, and recently they nerfed back the weapon switing such as main cannon to cannister shell as well.
Just because someone thinks that something could use a slight nerf, particularly the only vehicle in the game that can utterly dominate an entire map in a matter of seconds, doesn't mean that they want to punish great players or are crying about something. It can just be a simple observation that a few tweaks can make things better for team play, and a great jet pilot can still eat helis even without slowing down to 20mph crawl speed.
I think a big reason they have the super slow jet speeds is without that, it's very hard for a new jet pilot to hit anything. Even now flying jets is pretty tough when you're first starting out.
What they should do is have single player jet/heli training missions so you can practice flying/aiming.
What they should do is have single player jet/heli training missions so you can practice flying/aiming.
Don't get me wrong, I think what you said have validity, and if any nerfs should be done, it would be for jets. But I see so many people complaining on this forums at just about everything that they died to.
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moonbogg
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Epic score on Caspian. It was just one kill right after another non stop. The best place is right in the damn open, right there in the middle of the chaos where the land is target rich and close by. Check out the battle report. 95-17! Not bad. I was trying to break 100 but was just a little too slow.
Favorite spots:
Hilltop
Ground between gas station and forest
Ground behind forest
These areas give you direct line of sight to all the heavy action areas and people don't expect a pesky sniper in the bush right there.
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/battlereport/show/44871178/1/189857281/
OK OK...maybe the fact that the name of the server was "Noobs Hiding in the Bush" could have had SOMETHING to do with the score...
Favorite spots:
Hilltop
Ground between gas station and forest
Ground behind forest
These areas give you direct line of sight to all the heavy action areas and people don't expect a pesky sniper in the bush right there.
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/battlereport/show/44871178/1/189857281/
OK OK...maybe the fact that the name of the server was "Noobs Hiding in the Bush" could have had SOMETHING to do with the score...
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QuantumPion
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I think they should balance jets by giving them limited ammo and requiring a full-stop landing to rearm. That way a single pilot can't dominate the map non-stop and the 100-star-colonel-jet pilots would at least have some period of vulnerability.
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That could be an alternative to the stall-speed idea. Certainly both combined would be too much nerf, but they are insane currently.
It's gotta be hard business balancing things. Although I'm a tanker, I approve of the moderate nerfs they've put on them. That and the MAA on launch date was a mobile ultra crazy dominating machine, then they overnerfed it to oblivion, then it's buffed slightly to a pretty decent level.
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I still think they need to remove the mobile AA from Noshahr canals. I went 19-0 in the Mobile AA on the first stage of the map. They couldn't get off the aircraft carrier lol.
moonbogg
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I just joined M4D clan. I was going to make one but I want to learn what it takes to run a clan and to be a part of one as well, so this made sense. They seem strong and well organized so we'll see how it goes. They do planned matches etc. Plus it looks pretty cool infront of my name.
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moonbogg
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Insane 3000 ticket game. Went 193 - 43. It was wonderful.
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/battlereport/show/45157023/1/189857281/
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/battlereport/show/45157023/1/189857281/
3,000 tickets.......2 hours and 39 minutes........
Anything over 30 minutes I begin to lose interest.
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They are hella slow now and I don't know if it is due to the patch... I was a gunner for expandas in one map and saw him shooting chopters out of the sky with his tank's main guns like a turkey shoot!
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