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[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Ok, then I don't know why the IAA won't install, someone that uses RAID will have to answer that.

It has to be the one for RAID as noted in the link I posted for Nuker43

 

[DaveR]

OK, I will look tomorrow. I am at 3123 at 1.6 volts.

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: computer
Ok, then I don't know why the IAA won't install, someone that uses RAID will have to answer that.

It has to be the one for RAID as noted in the link I posted for Nuker43

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Ok here's some info on it. For one:

Yeah, like Peter said in his other post, if you sub to the M$
bulletins is one way. One should avoid the update site since
contrary to what M$ says it does indeed scan your HD for
"personally identifiable information" and DOES send personal
info back to M$. Or at least it did. I can't find the URL on
that right now. You can go to the update site to see what you
need, then block all with your firewall and then read the page.
It of course still just scanned your HD, but blocking net
access after that point is still a good idea. Make a note of
the updates it "CLAIMS" you need, then you can look the updates
up at any search engine to find out if you really need them,
and download them. (Jerks have the right click disabled there,
so you can't copy and paste the update #'s in the usual manner.
So, you have to highlight the update's # and text, then 'ctrl
C' to copy them then you can paste them into Notepad so you
won't have to type all of them). You can also click the "read
more" links under each update to find out if you really need
the updates (that's usually under the links of "technical
details" I think or "mitigating factors" on the "read more"
pages) but that still leaves you on the update page. It's ok
to d'load them from an M$ site, I'd just avoid getting the
downloads from the update site itself, for one; like I said it
really probes your PC, and another is you'll have the physical
downloads you can save from that point on to a CD for when you
reformat or if you have to reinstall them, or install on other
PC's, etc. When you check out the mitigating factors areas,
you'll see that the majority of the updates are NOT NEEDED if
you run a firewall or have other things disabled like XP services.
I have one massive slowdown after another after installing
XP updates and some have rendered a PC unusable.


And.....

This makes me SICK....and not surprising at all. I hope it
infuriates others they way it does me. Something must be
done about these "cyber-terrorists".
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php ........
What I'm going to start doing, is getting any Windows OS updates
from ELSEWHERE, other than the "Windows update site". It can be
done. I'm not about to have these 'cyber terrorists' suck info off of
my computers into their "massive collection jar". That's inexcusable.
What is really horrible about it, and the real point for me, is these
jerks have the unmitigated GALL to actually put that comment
on their webpage while the update site is 'scanning your PC',
that reads "This is done WITHOUT sending any information
back to M$"!!!!!!! I always doubted that statement, now I see
with good cause. Those jerks are going to get themselves in
such a legal mess greater than the one they are already in,
that they will go bankrupt. It will be a $100 billion corporate
class action lawsuit case (plus criminal charges) the likes of
the legal system has NEVER seen in history. Since Gates
has 60 Billion and counting, it would take about 100 billion to
get anyone's attention. That case will uncover atrocities that
will stun the world, you mark my words. I bet they have
dedicated storage area for EACH and every one of us!!!
"Big Brother" is an understatement, this is like a UPC barcode
stamped on a billion people that use their products. This
must be stopped. This makes what AOL does look like a
simple "passing hello". It's never bothered me before,
but I'm finding more and more cases regarding M$ spying and
privacy violations, and you just cannot trust a company that
does that. The majority of us have absolutely nothing to hide,
however IMO, that's not the point. I feel as though I'm being
"electronically raped". That *is* what they are doing to users.
I bet they are getting all this personal info, selling it to
spammers and telema*keting firms so they can harass us.
My 2 cents. ;-)

LOL! Come on! The only personal information they are gleaning is the information in which you give them in the first place to register Win XP, so what's the problem?

I think some people are just paranoid! Once you do your updates (which is done before you have anything on your drive anyway) all you have to do is lock out anything and anyone you don't want accessing your drives via your firewall. It's quite simple really.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: DaveR
OK, I will look tomorrow. I am at 3123 at 1.6 volts.

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: computer
Ok, then I don't know why the IAA won't install, someone that uses RAID will have to answer that.

It has to be the one for RAID as noted in the link I posted for Nuker43

Looking good DaveR!

I bet you can crank it up even higher (FSB) and even tighten those memory timings to get even more! 🙂

 

[computer]

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: computer
Ok here's some info on it. For one:

Yeah, like Peter said in his other post, if you sub to the M$
bulletins is one way. One should avoid the update site since
contrary to what M$ says it does indeed scan your HD for
"personally identifiable information" and DOES send personal
info back to M$. Or at least it did. I can't find the URL on
that right now. You can go to the update site to see what you
need, then block all with your firewall and then read the page.
It of course still just scanned your HD, but blocking net
access after that point is still a good idea. Make a note of
the updates it "CLAIMS" you need, then you can look the updates
up at any search engine to find out if you really need them,
and download them. (Jerks have the right click disabled there,
so you can't copy and paste the update #'s in the usual manner.
So, you have to highlight the update's # and text, then 'ctrl
C' to copy them then you can paste them into Notepad so you
won't have to type all of them). You can also click the "read
more" links under each update to find out if you really need
the updates (that's usually under the links of "technical
details" I think or "mitigating factors" on the "read more"
pages) but that still leaves you on the update page. It's ok
to d'load them from an M$ site, I'd just avoid getting the
downloads from the update site itself, for one; like I said it
really probes your PC, and another is you'll have the physical
downloads you can save from that point on to a CD for when you
reformat or if you have to reinstall them, or install on other
PC's, etc. When you check out the mitigating factors areas,
you'll see that the majority of the updates are NOT NEEDED if
you run a firewall or have other things disabled like XP services.
I have one massive slowdown after another after installing
XP updates and some have rendered a PC unusable.


And.....

This makes me SICK....and not surprising at all. I hope it
infuriates others they way it does me. Something must be
done about these "cyber-terrorists".
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php ........
What I'm going to start doing, is getting any Windows OS updates
from ELSEWHERE, other than the "Windows update site". It can be
done. I'm not about to have these 'cyber terrorists' suck info off of
my computers into their "massive collection jar". That's inexcusable.
What is really horrible about it, and the real point for me, is these
jerks have the unmitigated GALL to actually put that comment
on their webpage while the update site is 'scanning your PC',
that reads "This is done WITHOUT sending any information
back to M$"!!!!!!! I always doubted that statement, now I see
with good cause. Those jerks are going to get themselves in
such a legal mess greater than the one they are already in,
that they will go bankrupt. It will be a $100 billion corporate
class action lawsuit case (plus criminal charges) the likes of
the legal system has NEVER seen in history. Since Gates
has 60 Billion and counting, it would take about 100 billion to
get anyone's attention. That case will uncover atrocities that
will stun the world, you mark my words. I bet they have
dedicated storage area for EACH and every one of us!!!
"Big Brother" is an understatement, this is like a UPC barcode
stamped on a billion people that use their products. This
must be stopped. This makes what AOL does look like a
simple "passing hello". It's never bothered me before,
but I'm finding more and more cases regarding M$ spying and
privacy violations, and you just cannot trust a company that
does that. The majority of us have absolutely nothing to hide,
however IMO, that's not the point. I feel as though I'm being
"electronically raped". That *is* what they are doing to users.
I bet they are getting all this personal info, selling it to
spammers and telema*keting firms so they can harass us.
My 2 cents. ;-)

LOL! Come on! The only personal information they are gleaning is the information in which you give them in the first place to register Win XP, so what's the problem?

I think some people are just paranoid! Once you do your updates (which is done before you have anything on your drive anyway) all you have to do is lock out anything and anyone you don't want accessing your drives via your firewall. It's quite simple really.

Perhaps you missed this:
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php
"This shouldn't really be a surprise. As I said, people have been saying it for years, but there is always the naive majority who refuse to believe that these sorts of abuses happen until the hard evidence is rubbed in their face. Last year rumors circulated that Microsoft's Windows Media Player was spying on them by sending back information of the music they listened to and the movies they watched. As before, the uninformed refused to believe the rumors, ridiculing those making the suggestions rather than investigating for themselves. "

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer
Perhaps you missed this:
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php
"This shouldn't really be a surprise. As I said, people have been saying it for years, but there is always the naive majority who refuse to believe that these sorts of abuses happen until the hard evidence is rubbed in their face. Last year rumors circulated that Microsoft's Windows Media Player was spying on them by sending back information of the music they listened to and the movies they watched. As before, the uninformed refused to believe the rumors, ridiculing those making the suggestions rather than investigating for themselves. "

Nope, I saw it. I don't use WMP and use Winamp instead, but if even if I did use WMP, I would have eventually noticed the unecessary traffic it was generating or someone else would have (just as it was found via the link above) and I would have taken care of any traffic this app was allowed to perform on my system, just as I do with ALL my other apps. Do you honestly believe that MS products and updates are the only ones trying to glean marketing information via the installation of their products?

MS is the least of your worries when it comes to installing apps/updates from a security perspective and it's still up you to make sure that the traffic going to and from your machine, is handled appropriately via firewalls, port scanners and sniffers. These days you really need to become a hacker yourself (yes there are good hackers) and know what ports are open and where you are vulnerable no matter which vendor's apps you use or install. The updates that MS supplies, fix more problems than they create so you are much better off updating, than not.

As I've noted on My Own Site, there are many things you can do to lock it down but this is a deep subject that really shouldn't even be discussed here within this forum as it's much more involved than just firing up (no pun intended) a firewall. There are entire sites discussing these issues and they still don't cover it all.

There is no reason for any app to access the internet unless that's what it's entire intent is and you should be preventing all apps for accessing unless it has an absolute need for it as part of it's normal function, even then you should be checking to see what traffic it's actually performing and know what ports they are using, no matter which product or vendor it's from.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. Just make sure you have a firewall that not only checks inbound but also outbound traffic and you'll go a long way in protecting yourself from the very issue you just emphasized no matter what apps you use or install.

See ya,

 

[DaveR]

Michael I agree re; MS. With so many people going to that site it is very unlikely that anyone is caring about 1 person.

Anyway, I will look for the raid version of IAA on the Intel site. Drives are fast, but I sure did not install XP in 6 minutes.

OH, I used a 64k stripe...maybe it is too high? To be honest, hdtach is not showing much higher than a PATA 100 in my PIII-500 system but burst is high...about 138mb.

Perhaps I can put it on the CH5, but I would need to add the drivers.

I could start over as I have not really configured much yet.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: DaveR
Michael I agre re; MS. With so many people going to that site it is very unlikely that anyone is caring about 1 person.

Anyway, I will look for the raid version of IAA on the Intel site. Drives are fast, but I sure did not install XP in 6 minutes.

OH, I used a 64k stripe...maybe it is too high? To be honest, hdtach is not showing much higher than a PATA 100 in my PIII-500 system but burst is high...about 138mb.

Perhaps I can put it on the CH5, but I would need to add the drivers.

I could start over as I have not really configured much yet.

Hiya DaveR,

HERE is the link to the IAA.

As for the stripe size you will have to look at the files sizes you use most on your system to determine the best stripe. If your working with large files for Video then you may do better with 128. Remember, you can use any stripe size you want and it doesn't have to be doubles of 16, 32, 64, 128 etc. it can be 40 or 80 if you wanted it to be.

128 may be better if this machine is spending most of it's time manipulating large files, if it's for use with doing a lot of smaller file sizes such as web files that are under 4k then 64 is just going to eat up your drive space and not give you the best performance.

If you don't really want to know what the difference is in performance using the ICH5 on your particular system then don't go through the hassle, but if you have the time and can run some of your own tests it would add value I think to everyone here including yourself to see if the performance is in fact better with the Promise controller over the ICH5. It's really up to you bro. I look back when I built my system and I wish I had done that, and now I'm just going to have to wait until there is a definate need for me to reformat/redo my system to do my own testing.

At any rate, it's good to hear you got it all up and running!

Take care,

 

[DaveR]

Thanks Michael. Will play later some more. I did find the IAA site and also the chipset stuff for USB. Perhaps I could try an "add new hardware" and add the ICH5R stuff, then switch cables?

Anyway, maybe 64k is good. Our large sheets are several MB compressed.

Still think I can go a little higher in OC, but now I just need to get this system running!

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: DaveR
Thanks Michael. Will play later some more. I did find the IAA site and also the chipset stuff for USB. Perhaps I could try an "add new hardware" and add the ICH5R stuff, then switch cables?

Anyway, maybe 64k is good. Our large sheets are several MB compressed.

Still think I can go a little higher in OC, but now I just need to get this system running!

Hello DaveR,

Yeah I don't think trying that will work, you have to go through the process of formatting/partitioning just as you did for the promise and then add the drivers etc. after you connect them to the ICH5R controller.

I'm confident you can go higher on your OC as well, just find the highest FSB posible (no errors running Memtest-86 and Prime95), then start tightening your timings on the RAM. This is the best way to squeeze out as much as you can.

 

[DaveR]

Well, I am at 2.5-4-4-8 but believe I should try 3-4-4-8. Also, I believe the mem is at 1.85 already so do not know what more I can do. However, my cpu is at 1.6...maybe I can go higher there. I am at 1:1 still.

I do not mind doing a reinstall. I may also create my own driver cd-rw with the IAA and ASUS stuff on it.

I still have the floppy's for the F6 portion of our program. 🙂

OK, back to the yard work! I was wishing it would rain hard this weekend here!

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: DaveR
Thanks Michael. Will play later some more. I did find the IAA site and also the chipset stuff for USB. Perhaps I could try an "add new hardware" and add the ICH5R stuff, then switch cables?

Anyway, maybe 64k is good. Our large sheets are several MB compressed.

Still think I can go a little higher in OC, but now I just need to get this system running!

Hello DaveR,

Yeah I don't think trying that will work, you have to go through the process of formatting/partitioning just as you did for the promise and then add the drivers etc. after you connect them to the ICH5R controller.

I'm confident you can go higher on your OC as well, just find the highest FSB posible (no errors running Memtest-86 and Prime95), then start tightening your timings on the RAM. This is the best way to squeeze out as much as you can.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: DaveR
Well, I am at 2.5-4-4-8 but believe I should try 3-4-4-8. Also, I believe the mem is at 1.85 already so do not know what more I can do. However, my cpu is at 1.6...maybe I can go higher there. I am at 1:1 still.

I do not mind doing a reinstall. I may also create my own driver cd-rw with the IAA and ASUS stuff on it.

I still have the floppy's for the F6 portion of our program. 🙂

OK, back to the yard work! I was wishing it would rain hard this weekend here!

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: DaveR
Thanks Michael. Will play later some more. I did find the IAA site and also the chipset stuff for USB. Perhaps I could try an "add new hardware" and add the ICH5R stuff, then switch cables?

Anyway, maybe 64k is good. Our large sheets are several MB compressed.

Still think I can go a little higher in OC, but now I just need to get this system running!

Hello DaveR,

Yeah I don't think trying that will work, you have to go through the process of formatting/partitioning just as you did for the promise and then add the drivers etc. after you connect them to the ICH5R controller.

I'm confident you can go higher on your OC as well, just find the highest FSB posible (no errors running Memtest-86 and Prime95), then start tightening your timings on the RAM. This is the best way to squeeze out as much as you can.

Ahhh in the last post I saw of yours you were running 3-4-4-8 and was the reason for my comment. If your running 2.5-4-4-7 don't go back to 3, your performance is going to be better where you have it.

Have you cranked the FSB and found it's limit? If so, then you probably aren't going to get much more out of it.

Well I'm glad it didn't rain (despite the yard work) because it's tough to fly an RC Helicopter in the rain 🙂

 

[Nuker43]

Stupid question...

But is it safe to Defrag a raid0 array? I mean i can't see what can go wrong but since the data is split in two i have this crazy idea that windows might mess up the drives during a defrag.

Thanks

 

[computer]

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: computer
Perhaps you missed this:
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php
"This shouldn't really be a surprise. As I said, people have been saying it for years, but there is always the naive majority who refuse to believe that these sorts of abuses happen until the hard evidence is rubbed in their face. Last year rumors circulated that Microsoft's Windows Media Player was spying on them by sending back information of the music they listened to and the movies they watched. As before, the uninformed refused to believe the rumors, ridiculing those making the suggestions rather than investigating for themselves. "

Nope, I saw it. I don't use WMP and use Winamp instead, but if even if I did use WMP, I would have eventually noticed the unecessary traffic it was generating or someone else would have (just as it was found via the link above) and I would have taken care of any traffic this app was allowed to perform on my system, just as I do with ALL my other apps. Do you honestly believe that MS products and updates are the only ones trying to glean marketing information via the installation of their products?

MS is the least of your worries when it comes to installing apps/updates from a security perspective and it's still up you to make sure that the traffic going to and from your machine, is handled appropriately via firewalls, port scanners and sniffers. These days you really need to become a hacker yourself (yes there are good hackers) and know what ports are open and where you are vulnerable no matter which vendor's apps you use or install. The updates that MS supplies, fix more problems than they create so you are much better off updating, than not.

As I've noted on My Own Site, there are many things you can do to lock it down but this is a deep subject that really shouldn't even be discussed here within this forum as it's much more involved than just firing up (no pun intended) a firewall. There are entire sites discussing these issues and they still don't cover it all.

There is no reason for any app to access the internet unless that's what it's entire intent is and you should be preventing all apps for accessing unless it has an absolute need for it as part of it's normal function, even then you should be checking to see what traffic it's actually performing and know what ports they are using, no matter which product or vendor it's from.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. Just make sure you have a firewall that not only checks inbound but also outbound traffic and you'll go a long way in protecting yourself from the very issue you just emphasized no matter what apps you use or install.

See ya,

I agree, but you're missing the point. The point was not WMP (which I don't use either), that was just a quote from the website which was a prelude to the information about spying by the Windows Update site. Other potential threats were not the point nor topic either, we all know sniffs scans and probes come from ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE and, how to prevent and block them. The point was M$ cannot be trusted and it's best to err on the side of caution when thinking about getting updates from the Windows Update site, and, regarding their statement to the contrary at their website, they DO scan your PC for personally identifiable information and 3rd party software installed, etc. The other point was to emphasize that the of updates they claim you need, you do not need the majority of them if a firewall is used or specific Services are disabled, and the updates can and will slow down and screw-up a computer. That's just a plain fact. I thought it would be helpful to point this out to Dave since he mentioned he was installing "46 updates from the site". I guess not.

 

[DaveR]

Thanks Michael.Clint. Clint I just saw that with a fresh XP Pro, I needed all the stuff as my XP Pro does not have sp1.

Michael, my memory is at 2.5-4-4-8.

 

[computer]

Originally posted by: DaveR
Thanks Michael.Clint. Clint I just saw that with a fresh XP Pro, I needed all the stuff as my XP Pro does not have sp1.

Michael, my memory is at 2.5-4-4-8.

Even with the SP, you still need dozens of updates and the SP should be installed first. SP1, NOT SP1a, which is very buggy. I saved SP1 on a CD and it was a real pain to find it. The bottom line is the same though, you still don't need all the updates they claim you need. After I install SP1, it told me I needed about 40 updates and I only really needed about 10 or 12 due to firewalls and disabled services. The fewer updates you can install, the better.

Your memory might be able to get by with 2.5-4-4-7. Did you ever find the FULL timing specs for it, is that them; 2.5-4-4-8?

 

[DaveR]

They told me to use 3-4-4-8. I can go to that.

Also, IAA will not run. I wonder if it is because I have nothing on the ICH5R?

My device manager shows ? on USB. I know I saw the driver somewhere!

Originally posted by: computer

Originally posted by: DaveR
Thanks Michael.Clint. Clint I just saw that with a fresh XP Pro, I needed all the stuff as my XP Pro does not have sp1.

Michael, my memory is at 2.5-4-4-8.

Even with the SP, you still need dozens of updates and the SP should be installed first. SP1, NOT SP1a, which is very buggy. I saved SP1 on a CD and it was a real pain to find it. The bottom line is the same though, you still don't need all the updates they claim you need. After I install SP1, it told me I needed about 40 updates and I only really needed about 10 or 12 due to firewalls and disabled services. The fewer updates you can install, the better.

Your memory might be able to get by with 2.5-4-4-7. Did you ever find the FULL timing specs for it, is that them; 2.5-4-4-8?

 

[computer]

Their website said CAS 2.5 for the memory (that's the first #). I can't say about the IAA, but XP doesn't support USB 2.0 until SP1 is installed. If the yellow ? on the USB is for the "enhanced" USB controller, that's the problem.

 

[DaveR]

As far as USB it is in Other. So I am OK...just need to get rid of OTHER.

They did say 2.5-3 and then told me on the phone it was 4-4-8 for the rest.
IAA is strange. I never had that problem before.

Originally posted by: computer
Their website said CAS 2.5 for the memory (that's the first #). I can't say about the IAA, but XP doesn't support USB 2.0 until SP1 is installed. If the yellow ? on the USB is for the "enhanced" USB controller, that's the problem.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: computer

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: computer
Perhaps you missed this:
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php
"This shouldn't really be a surprise. As I said, people have been saying it for years, but there is always the naive majority who refuse to believe that these sorts of abuses happen until the hard evidence is rubbed in their face. Last year rumors circulated that Microsoft's Windows Media Player was spying on them by sending back information of the music they listened to and the movies they watched. As before, the uninformed refused to believe the rumors, ridiculing those making the suggestions rather than investigating for themselves. "

Nope, I saw it. I don't use WMP and use Winamp instead, but if even if I did use WMP, I would have eventually noticed the unecessary traffic it was generating or someone else would have (just as it was found via the link above) and I would have taken care of any traffic this app was allowed to perform on my system, just as I do with ALL my other apps. Do you honestly believe that MS products and updates are the only ones trying to glean marketing information via the installation of their products?

MS is the least of your worries when it comes to installing apps/updates from a security perspective and it's still up you to make sure that the traffic going to and from your machine, is handled appropriately via firewalls, port scanners and sniffers. These days you really need to become a hacker yourself (yes there are good hackers) and know what ports are open and where you are vulnerable no matter which vendor's apps you use or install. The updates that MS supplies, fix more problems than they create so you are much better off updating, than not.

As I've noted on My Own Site, there are many things you can do to lock it down but this is a deep subject that really shouldn't even be discussed here within this forum as it's much more involved than just firing up (no pun intended) a firewall. There are entire sites discussing these issues and they still don't cover it all.

There is no reason for any app to access the internet unless that's what it's entire intent is and you should be preventing all apps for accessing unless it has an absolute need for it as part of it's normal function, even then you should be checking to see what traffic it's actually performing and know what ports they are using, no matter which product or vendor it's from.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. Just make sure you have a firewall that not only checks inbound but also outbound traffic and you'll go a long way in protecting yourself from the very issue you just emphasized no matter what apps you use or install.

See ya,

I agree, but you're missing the point. The point was not WMP (which I don't use either), that was just a quote from the website which was a prelude to the information about spying by the Windows Update site. Other potential threats were not the point nor topic either, we all know sniffs scans and probes come from ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE and, how to prevent and block them. The point was M$ cannot be trusted and it's best to err on the side of caution when thinking about getting updates from the Windows Update site, and, regarding their statement to the contrary at their website, they DO scan your PC for personally identifiable information and 3rd party software installed, etc. The other point was to emphasize that the of updates they claim you need, you do not need the majority of them if a firewall is used or specific Services are disabled, and the updates can and will slow down and screw-up a computer. That's just a plain fact. I thought it would be helpful to point this out to Dave since he mentioned he was installing "46 updates from the site". I guess not.

No, Clint, the point was you can stop any and all information coming or going from your machine and you can Identify those that do by doing your OWN scanning, and sniffing of your own ports.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I do it on my own server every day and I'm here to tell you that you have more to worry about by hackers and script kiddies than you do MS.

As for the spying by Microsoft, give me a break! Microsoft has way better things to be doing than snooping for your personal data. They are out for one thing and one thing only, and that's the money in your pockets, not spy on people to get their name and addresses or other tidbits they may be able to grab in 60 seconds. Next these same guys which are being paranoid will be telling you is that MS employees are out to get them and they are parked out in front their houses doing survalience. Pffttt!!

All the vendors do similiar things mentioned in your previous thread when you install their software, they want to know what your habits are so they can profit from them. Personally (no pun intended) I don't put anything on my machine that I'm not willing to lose and if I do, I make sure I do my own cleanup regularly.

I use all of the updates from MS for each of the pieces of MS software I install and I've NEVER EVER had a system problem from using them and that's with SP1. Some people may but it's very likely it was due to the way they setup their systems (installed divers prior to doing other things first etc.) rather than from the updates themselves. There is a good order in which to do things and there are bad, just like anything else in software and conflicts do occur. I have yet to see any from using MS updates and in fact I've seen more problems when I didn't update than when I did.

Millions of people use MS updates and update completely everyday, Are they all wrong and these select few really know the truth? Bahh! It's paranoia plain and simple my friend. You would have to have some funky hardware setup to see any of the issues most of these guys bitch about.

It's paronoid delusion, it's a schizoid embalism in the making LOL (had to use the Total Recall line here 😛)

See ya,

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: DaveR
Thanks Michael.Clint. Clint I just saw that with a fresh XP Pro, I needed all the stuff as my XP Pro does not have sp1.

Michael, my memory is at 2.5-4-4-8.

Perfect. Just try bumping down to 2.5-4-4-7, then if all is well go to 2.5-3-4-7, then 2.5-3-3-7, 2.5-3-3-6. If you can reach the last one your doing phenominal. If not, don't worry, most of us can't get the 2.5 sticks down that tight either. 🙂

 

[computer]

No, Clint, the point was you can stop any and all information coming or going from your machine and you can Identify those that do by doing your OWN scanning, and sniffing of your own ports.

No, you can't do this at the Windows update site for if you did that, it could not "scan" your HD and "tell you what you need". And no, that was YOUR point, it is NOT the point I was making and irrelevant to the topic. What I brought up has/had nothing to do with general PC or internet security and was not its intent, but was ONLY with regards to the Windows update site and its updates. No one is saying you don't know what you're talking about, so don't claim that with me. You are on another topic not relevant to the purpose of my original post. It's not "internet or computer security", it's "anti-trust and privacy violations" by M$ and them lying about it. THAT and ONLY that is MY only point. No, M$ does NOT "have better things to do", for this IS one of the things they do for it is profitable. You're naive to think this does not happen, for if it wasn't, there would be no lawsuits going on right now for this very thing of which I speak.

As for update instability: Drivers have to be installed first before any **new** updates. One's drivers are installed on their PC, and when new updates come out, those have to be installed as needed. So, there is no choice of installing updates before drivers are installed except for updates that are currently available at the specific time. So, any choice of order is not an option, unless one reformats for every new update they must install, then install the updates all over again including the new one(s), then install drivers. (Although Yellow marks should be removed from the Device Manager by first installing drivers before installing any updates). If you perform certain PC tests & internet or LAN speed tests before and after certain updates, you'll see the slowdowns. I see this on a regular basis on hundreds of PC's and users complaining about them. As you are aware, not everyone is going to have the exact same software or programs installed, nor the same Windows settings, due to that fact some are going to experience instability issues & slowdowns, and obviously some may not. It's not a good idea to "totally blindly trust" M$ (or any other software vendor/manufacturer as you pointed out) and take all they claim as gospel. Trust them if you will, that's your right, but I am CERTAINLY NOT going to.

It's a paranoid delusion....a schizoid embolism in the making
http://sfy.iv.ru/sfy.html?script=total_recall 😀
Everything is on the net!

 

[djanassis]

Hi all

Does anyone have a clue as to the following?

1) I have the P4C800 (non-deluxe) and 2 identical Western Digital WD800JB (8MB cache) ATA 100. Can I link them in RAID? If so, how do I do it? Do I need any software etc? Also, will I lose the data on the HDDs (or is there any danger that I will) when I do that? Also, what is the difference between RAID 0, 1 and 0+1? Which of the three can I do with my 2 ATA 100 HDDS? The motherboard came with 2 SATA cables and it said on the box that it supports SATA RAID (without defining whether it is 0,1 or 0+1). Does it have an ATA 100 RAID though?

2) How far do you think I can overclock my Kingston Hyper X CL2 memory? I have 4 x 256MB = 1024 MB dual channel at 400Mhz at the moment.

3) How far can I overclock my P4 2.8 (800Mhz FSB) using the standard Intel heatsink? The temp in my Lian li PC-61 is quite low.

4) I have recently flashed my ASUS Geforce FX 5900 Ultra to a 5950 Ultra. Any experience as to how much more have you guys overclocked it until artifacts appear? Standard values are 475MHz for the core and 950MHz for the memory (DDR), and through Smartdoctor, when I use the automatic overclock setting (i.e. it overlocks the card whenever it considers suitable) there are artifacts appearing sometimes.


Thanks

Dimitris


My specs:

DELL 2001FP 20" LCD, 16ms, 1600x1200@60Hz (DVI)
SONY CPD-G220 17" CRT, 1600x1200@60Hz (D-Sub)
P4 2.8GHz (800 MHz FSB, H/T)
ASUS P4C800
1024 MB DDR PC3200 CL2 Kingston Hyper-X 400MHz dual channel
ASUS v9950u GeForce FX 5900 ultra 256mb (flashed into a 5950 ultra)
2 x 80GB Western Digital (8MB cache) 7,200rpm
ASUS CRW-5232AS
SONY DVD-ROM 16x40

 

[rpr]

DaveR: FWIW, I had a terrible time trying to get my setup to properly recognize the high speed USB controller.

It turned out I had to install a non-critical Windows XP update. As far as I could tell, there is only one non-critical Windows XP update that refers to "USB" in the name of the update. Shouldn't be too hard to find. Good luck.

 

[DaveR]

Thanks, I will try. I am in playing mode now as I want to get this on the Intel Raid, but I do need to get to a point where I use this for work.

Still wonder about IAA. I may see if the nonraid one installs. I do wonder if I NEED a raid defined on my Intel chip before IAA for raid will load?

Originally posted by: Xeon

Originally posted by: DaveR
Thanks Michael.Clint. Clint I just saw that with a fresh XP Pro, I needed all the stuff as my XP Pro does not have sp1.

Michael, my memory is at 2.5-4-4-8.

Perfect. Just try bumping down to 2.5-4-4-7, then if all is well go to 2.5-3-4-7, then 2.5-3-3-7, 2.5-3-3-6. If you can reach the last one your doing phenominal. If not, don't worry, most of us can't get the 2.5 sticks down that tight either. 🙂