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zimu

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So who are the movers and shakers this week?

I got into ARR last week just for dividends and got the nice added bonus of being up 2+% points in the same period too! ex div date isn't until 12 sept so will just hold until thereabouts.
 

KB

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So who are the movers and shakers this week?

I got into ARR last week just for dividends and got the nice added bonus of being up 2+% points in the same period too! ex div date isn't until 12 sept so will just hold until thereabouts.

You could buy Samsung after the big drop if you think they will win their appeal.
 

zimu

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You could buy Samsung after the big drop if you think they will win their appeal.

don't think samsung's going to be back any time soon.

**yay just got my email notifications to work again!! ***
 

Blades

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Bought a decent amount of preferred stock. "I don't want to sound like a queer or nothing, but.." (guess the movie) I bought revzp (Revlon)
 

HybridSquirrel

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what are some of your favorite dividend stocks? I got into COP after it tanked and have been holding out for a rally...
 
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So who are the movers and shakers this week?

I got into ARR last week just for dividends and got the nice added bonus of being up 2+% points in the same period too! ex div date isn't until 12 sept so will just hold until thereabouts.

MNKD putting in work...my buy order didn't fill on Friday and it was up 9.25% yesterday and 7.5% today :(
 
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I started looking at Dell also, but I'm concerned Windows "Metro"(AKA Windows 8) sales will be a flop.
My main concern about DELL is that it may be a value trap. It looks so to me on paper, at least.

I owned HP stock for years in the past. In fact, it was one of my longest holdings back then.
I sold it the day HP's board foolishly fired Mark Hurd.
There's only one tech company I know that has a more dysfunctional board than HP...Let's see if someone can mention it.

I made personal rule not to own more than one tech stock at a time.
First I owned HP, and now WD.
I don't see myself dumping WD for DELL anytime soon.

Yahoo?
 

Imp

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Almost feels like I'm on withdrawal... Haven't held anything since late July. It's not like I'm missing much though. Maybe a dividend payment or two, which I could make in a day once we get some volatility back.

Hope my patience pays off this time because last time I grew impatient, bought high, everything tanked, then I bought low, played volatility, and ended up ahead.
 

Blades

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Aod, eoi, EOS, evt, and eto are my fav's for their valuation and holdings. 10+% yield isn't bad either
 
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what are some of your favorite dividend stocks? I got into COP after it tanked and have been holding out for a rally...

Current holdings (yielding stocks boldfaced):

ALGI (will sell for $1.50 ASAP)
RFP
JNJ (only options right now)
RIMM (mostly call options, sliver of stock bought in high $9s)
SWY
SD
USB (tiny, tiny sliver in Roth-IRA)
SPLS
GD

Something like 25% cash right now. Not many bargains out there.
 
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Blades

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Current holdings (yielding stocks boldfaced):

ALGI (will sell for $1.50 ASAP)
RFP
JNJ (only options right now)
RIMM (mostly call options, sliver of stock bought in high $9s)
SWY
SD
USB (tiny, tiny sliver in Roth-IRA)
SPLS
GD

Something like 25% cash right now. Not many bargains out there.
Why hold jnj options, you're missing out on the dividend and holding something that decays with time? The volatility of JNJ isn't exactly fierce..

what are some of your favorite dividend stocks? I got into COP after it tanked and have been holding out for a rally...

I like(d) LO, but now the price is pumped up for the dividend (tomorrow). My favorite pay monthly, pay a week after record date, yield higher than 8%, and most importantly, trade at a discount to NAV (for CEFs).
 
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Why hold jnj options, you're missing out on the dividend and holding something that decays with time? The volatility of JNJ isn't exactly fierce..



I like(d) LO, but now the price is pumped up for the dividend (tomorrow). My favorite pay monthly, pay a week after record date, yield higher than 8%, and most importantly, trade at a discount to NAV (for CEFs).

I'm looking to dump the JNJ options. Need to wait for hte bid/ask to go up. tehcnically, I've made money on them (25%) but trying to dump them all at once is impossible unless the bid/ask goes up more. JNJ options are one of my "gambles" that i do because LEAP options carry no premiums. Go look at the 85/90 calls out 16 months.

I did own JNJ. I sold it when it neared $70 on the recent run up. I might buy in if my other stocks start to run up to fair value.

I guess the answer is that I don't buy stocks for the dividends.

FWIW: I think JNJ is undervalued. That's the only reason I do options. I like finding issues that are undervalued or posed for explosive growth (risky yes). With JNJ, all it takes is a run up to $90 which is close to where I value it. If it did such a run, the volatility would also shoot up so the option premium theoretical goes up. It's win/win but JNJ needs to make a run. It will happen one day. With RIMM, I see RIMM being at $30+ in a year or $1. Why buy the stock for a 400% gain or 100% loss when options can take the same investment (and risk profile) to 0% or 10,000%? Not only is the stock priced for death but so are the options. It's retarded with RIMM. $1 could easily turn into $100+ if you do options. if BB10 takes RIMM to a new all-time high, I am retiring. I'll avoid a RIMM talk. everyone here thinks the USA market represents the world reality.
 
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Blades

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I'm looking to dump the JNJ options. Need to wait for hte bid/ask to go up. tehcnically, I've made money on them (25%) but trying to dump them all at once is impossible unless the bid/ask goes up more. JNJ options are one of my "gambles" that i do because LEAP options carry no premiums. Go look at the 85/90 calls out 16 months.

I did own JNJ. I sold it when it neared $70 on the recent run up. I might buy in if my other stocks start to run up to fair value.

I guess the answer is that I don't buy stocks for the dividends.

FWIW: I think JNJ is undervalued. That's the only reason I do options. I like finding issues that are undervalued or posed for explosive growth (risky yes). With JNJ, all it takes is a run up to $90 which is close to where I value it. If it did such a run, the volatility would also shoot up so the option premium theoretical goes up. It's win/win but JNJ needs to make a run. It will happen one day. With RIMM, I see RIMM being at $30+ in a year or $1. Why buy the stock for a 400% gain or 100% loss when options can take the same investment (and risk profile) to 0% or 10,000%? Not only is the stock priced for death but so are the options. It's retarded with RIMM. $1 could easily turn into $100+ if you do options. if BB10 takes RIMM to a new all-time high, I am retiring. I'll avoid a RIMM talk. everyone here thinks the USA market represents the world reality.

I buy the stock and when I have an impulse to sell, I just sell oom call options. I agree with your take on the narrow minded us market sentiment. Its a bit much. Apple went down today, but the 800 Jan 14 call option went up 2$ (to 56).
 

Blades

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What do you guys think of BPT? It just crossed is 52 week low.

Woah.. Its now 87. I guess people acted like it was operating in the gulf or something! Its still somewhat inciting, but I don't like that kind of psychotic price movement. Depends on what you think next quarter's distribution will be.

ok its now 88
 

KB

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What do you guys think of BPT? It just crossed is 52 week low.

I don't completely understand the ramifications of a trust, so for this reason I am avoiding it. Plus this article may scare people away.

http://moneymorning.com/2012/08/08/dividend-stocks-dont-fall-for-these-high-yield-traps/

"However one analyst, Shane Blackmon, has assumed an oil price of $90 per barrel and concluded that the total value of dividends payable by BPT before it runs dry will be $83. Since BPT's current price is $115, it's another one to avoid, though less obvious!"

In addition there has been slashing of dividends in other Trusts like HGT and the owners of others trusts are worried about similar slashes in their trusts.
 

Blades

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I don't completely understand the ramifications of a trust, so for this reason I am avoiding it. Plus this article may scare people away.

http://moneymorning.com/2012/08/08/dividend-stocks-dont-fall-for-these-high-yield-traps/

"However one analyst, Shane Blackmon, has assumed an oil price of $90 per barrel and concluded that the total value of dividends payable by BPT before it runs dry will be $83. Since BPT's current price is $115, it's another one to avoid, though less obvious!"

In addition there has been slashing of dividends in other Trusts like HGT and the owners of others trusts are worried about similar slashes in their trusts.

Good catch. Its now 86. Psychotic indeed.


Also. So much selling going on with intel..This stock gets no respect.
 

Imp

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"Fed statement" this afternoon. Usually around 2pm?

Looks like we're once again waiting on word about "further stimulus" or "fed action". GOt my money on "disappointment".
 

mshan

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I am nervous that QE3 might be in the works for September because PIMCO keeps trying to push it as a done deal already.

From tidbits I've read on internet or seen on tv, this only coarsely informed layman doesn't see QE3 as necessary right now (wait and see if the nascent upturn in U. S. economy John Chambers describes below is a sustained trend or not). But don't know if Bernanke sees potential weakness 6, 9, 12 months down the road that he feels he must stomp out now, or if he had to enter into some Faustian deal with Germans that he would ease now if Germans let ECB do some quantitive easing now to stabilize Eurozone for a while longer (i. e. actual follow-through on Draghi's forceful statements a while ago that he will do whatever it takes, even if Germans object).

Hoping they just focus on more quantitatively defining what would pull them in (e. g. less than 2% real gdp growth (not sure what type of nominal gdp targets might also be in play http://www.economonitor.com/dolanec...in-nominal-gdp-growth-adds-to-pressure-on-fed, unemployment rate not declining on slow glide path over time), say nothing more than extending language to 2015, and primarily just trying to keep those who want to crash market from trying to push their bets too hard because Bernanke and Draghi will come in and spank them real hard if they try.

John Chambers of Cisco said on NBR recently (http://www.nbr.com/videos/video/178...ers-company-earnings-aug-15-2012#.UD425I5k0QI) that companies he talks with are all planning around 1.5 - 2% gdp growth, and that he sees evidence of nascent upturn in U. S. economy but wants another quarter of data before declaring a trend.

Some JP Morgan CIO type was on tv a while ago and also was working with 1.5 - 2 % gdp growth assumption, but also felt like he was leaning to 2%.

And this morning Kevin Cronus on CNBC announced second quarter gdp revision (http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000112536&play=10), but was disappointed and seemed to indicate other traders were also disappointed because he was hoping for 1.9% revision. Seemed to indicate he felt current trend is around 2% now.

And FWIW, here is a QE3 odds calculator I saw on ZH:

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/definitive-qe3-odds-calculator

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/are-many-fomc-members-looking-same-economy





(to me, two payrolls well under 50K, if they are felt to actually reflect real deterioration of underlying economy, would pull in Fed right away, even before election. Hopefully, however, barring Romney's billionaire donors trying to crash market to pull economy down temporarily with it, Fed can hold off at least till after election and hold final bullet for fiscal cliff battle with the wing-nut lame duck Congress)
 
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lothar

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Current holdings (yielding stocks boldfaced):

ALGI (will sell for $1.50 ASAP)
RFP
JNJ (only options right now)
RIMM (mostly call options, sliver of stock bought in high $9s)
SWY
SD
USB (tiny, tiny sliver in Roth-IRA)
SPLS
GD

Something like 25% cash right now. Not many bargains out there.
I have my eye on Staples as well. I bought some yesterday.
I don't see what the big deal that

They are much stronger than their competitors. Office Depot and OfficeMax can't touch them.
I expect Staples to continue gaining market share from their competitors and maintain their operating margins.

You're right, there are not many bargains out there. So many of my stocks I want to sell but what will I replace them with?
I've looked at our portfolio of stocks several times this week. The only one that makes sense for me to sell right now is PDLI.
You missed out by selling too early there, bud.
 

chusteczka

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You're right, there are not many bargains out there. So many of my stocks I want to sell but what will I replace them with?
I've looked at our portfolio of stocks several times this week. The only one that makes sense for me to sell right now is PDLI.
You missed out by selling too early there, bud.

A bearish person would take what you said as a clue to sell and purchase bonds or another security that is typically undervalued when the market is overvalued.


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But then a bearish person looks for anything that will validate their pessimism when the market keeps going up. :p
 
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lothar

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A bearish person would take what you said as a clue to sell and purchase bonds or another security that is typically undervalued when the market is overvalued.
Just to be clear:
I'm not bearish. But I'm also not going "goo goo gaa gaa" like the market is today.
In conclusion, I'm not bearish but I'm also not bullish like I was a year ago.

If a bearish person wants to sell stocks and buy bonds or gold with their proceeds, that's up to them.