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Azurik

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Originally posted by: Azurik
Forgot to mention, why it's wise to own some shares and not just all options...

A person I knew lost $2 million dollars on RMBS options. Court cases, license signings, unexpected surprises often delays what we think should happen by a certain time frame. By using options exclusively, you risk everything even if end up being right. Maybe RMBS ends up winning, but not by the timeframe you bet on. You not only lost your gamble, but you missed the boat by not having any shares.

Wow, what a nutter. Just as it is important to buy it also important to sell. I would have at least had some sort of strategy in place to protect this, whether it be a stop loss or selling every out of the money call that the specialist could create, this guy did not follow good practices.

He legit turned crazy. I wasn't going to add this, but he actually sued Rambus in court and his case got dismissed twice. He's now on the Yahoo! and Fool.com boards bashing everything about RMBS. This was a guy who was 200% pro-Rambus during his option days.

That's why I appreciate Yoxxy's view. It balances out the board. I've been in Rambus long enough to be happy what is happening right now, but some of you guys, lol, you are going literally happy "I'm on coke and LSD at the same time" bonkers :)

Oh, I just noticed RMBS went past $19! WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Oh wait, I'm not one of you drug addicts ;)
 

SKC

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Lot of good discussion going on here, glad for the additional viewpoints (in addition to Azurik - yoxxy, JS80, Slew etc). Thanks to all. Yoxxy esp good to see the CFA-based disclaimer put to use "in real life" as opposed to in sample test questions :)
 

Azurik

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Originally posted by: ivan2
Originally posted by: JS80
damnit save some gains for tomorroW!

should've bought some put to hedge the bet...

LOL! I laughed out loud when I read this, ivan2 :)

But hey... it broke the key resistance. If it stays at this level into the close, it favors a green day for RMBS tomorrow, especially if the markets bounce back up in tandem.

EDIT: My first time warp!
 

JS80

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can't tell if it's PPT or shorts covering/longs buying in anticipation of PPT. regardless they are fulfilling their bidding.
 

The-Noid

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Originally posted by: SKC
Lot of good discussion going on here, glad for the additional viewpoints (in addition to Azurik - yoxxy, JS80, Slew etc). Thanks to all. Yoxxy esp good to see the CFA-based disclaimer put to use "in real life" as opposed to in sample test questions :)

But the test questions are so fun :). I hung the code of ethics in my office earlier this year. It actually is fairly well written and the code and standards do cover a lot of ethical dilemmas you could get yourself into.
 

The-Noid

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Originally posted by: JS80
can't tell if it's PPT or shorts covering/longs buying in anticipation of PPT. regardless they are fulfilling their bidding.

It was me buying FAS and BXP into the close looking for a gap higher at the open and a quick sell out. I probably should have just stuck to buying golf clubs like I was doing earlier though.
 

Azurik

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Interesting... someone bought a huge amount of Aug $40's. That's a gutsy bet... I mean, I feel good about Jan 2010 $30's, but $40 by August? The person(s) is definitely betting news to come out before the September trials.
 

The-Noid

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Originally posted by: Azurik
Interesting... someone bought a huge amount of Aug $40's. That's a gutsy bet... I mean, I feel good about Jan 2010 $30's, but $40 by August? The person(s) is definitely betting news to come out before the September trials.

Was on the floor, only a $.08 contract. Interesting bet though at 1500 contracts, could have been a liquidity trade by the specialist though.

Sell the way out of the moneys to create liquidity in the at the moneys with the extra. In options the specialist can actually make a buck or two unlike the NYSE and the NASDAQ where the exchange makes all the money.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Azurik
Interesting... someone bought a huge amount of Aug $40's. That's a gutsy bet... I mean, I feel good about Jan 2010 $30's, but $40 by August? The person(s) is definitely betting news to come out before the September trials.

heh and i thought my adding aug 25s were gutsy.

i do put a % chance of settling before sept trials. that's why i added august.
 

Azurik

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Originally posted by: JS80
can't tell if it's PPT or shorts covering/longs buying in anticipation of PPT. regardless they are fulfilling their bidding.

It was me buying FAS and BXP into the close looking for a gap higher at the open and a quick sell out. I probably should have just stuck to buying golf clubs like I was doing earlier though.

Lets go golfing, I need a massive handicap though :)
 

Azurik

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FYI: I finally bit and sold 3,000 shares above $19. I'm putting the $60k proceeds into bonds.

I now have 10,000 shares with Jan 2010 $25 and $30 calls. I am a little more comfortable with this, considering I never intended to have more than 5,000 shares. 10,000 shares is only have double what I wanted, lol ;) I just couldn't resist buying in the single digits.

That closing was very impressive. We traded 9 million shares today on top of significant volume last Friday. It broke key resistance from the Robinson ruling in January. Next target for maj/min is $22. A settlement with a powerhouse like Samsung and the stock jumps to $35+. If no news until September, then it just follows the market's general direction, but I think it still outperforms the indices.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Azurik
FYI: I finally bit and sold 3,000 shares above $19. I'm putting the $60k proceeds into bonds.

I now have 10,000 shares with Jan 2010 $25 and $30 calls. I am a little more comfortable with this, considering I never intended to have more than 5,000 shares. 10,000 shares is only have double what I wanted, lol ;) I just couldn't resist buying in the single digits.

That closing was very impressive. We traded 9 million shares today on top of significant volume last Friday. It broke key resistance from the Robinson ruling in January. Next target for maj/min is $22. A settlement with a powerhouse like Samsung and the stock jumps to $35+. If no news until September, then it just follows the market's general direction, but I think it still outperforms the indices.

boooo hissssss

jk.

gawd if they settle before july opex...
 

The-Noid

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Originally posted by: Azurik
FYI: I finally bit and sold 3,000 shares above $19. I'm putting the $60k proceeds into bonds.

I now have 10,000 shares with Jan 2010 $25 and $30 calls. I am a little more comfortable with this, considering I never intended to have more than 5,000 shares. 10,000 shares is only have double what I wanted, lol ;) I just couldn't resist buying in the single digits.

That closing was very impressive. We traded 9 million shares today on top of significant volume last Friday. It broke key resistance from the Robinson ruling in January. Next target for maj/min is $22. A settlement with a powerhouse like Samsung and the stock jumps to $35+. If no news until September, then it just follows the market's general direction, but I think it still outperforms the indices.

Good call on that one.

Beta is 1.71 so it should outperform the market by 1.71x over a 52 week period. It has 2000 bps of out performance on a trailing 52week so it has definitely outperformed in the downturn.

I also hope your not the guy that has 3000 shares for sale on the top of the order book for 21.81 ask. He is "asking a lot."
 

Azurik

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Originally posted by: Azurik
FYI: I finally bit and sold 3,000 shares above $19. I'm putting the $60k proceeds into bonds.

I now have 10,000 shares with Jan 2010 $25 and $30 calls. I am a little more comfortable with this, considering I never intended to have more than 5,000 shares. 10,000 shares is only have double what I wanted, lol ;) I just couldn't resist buying in the single digits.

That closing was very impressive. We traded 9 million shares today on top of significant volume last Friday. It broke key resistance from the Robinson ruling in January. Next target for maj/min is $22. A settlement with a powerhouse like Samsung and the stock jumps to $35+. If no news until September, then it just follows the market's general direction, but I think it still outperforms the indices.

Good call on that one.

Beta is 1.71 so it should outperform the market by 1.71x over a 52 week period. It has 2000 bps of out performance on a trailing 52week so it has definitely outperformed in the downturn.

I also hope your not the guy that has 3000 shares for sale on the top of the order book for 21.81 ask. He is "asking a lot."

Yes, I saw the comparison. Rambus is up 101.58% in the past 3 months, and up 20.16% year-to-date.

No, I'm not the guy who placed that 3,000 open order. I placed the $50!!! j/k ;)
 

eLiu

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Originally posted by: PimpJuice
I didnt have anything to invest in RMBS at the time, but now that I do......whats the recommended play?

Good time to buy still or wait for a selloff?

Seems like now there it would be preferable to be purchasing options? Maybe the time to buy/hold shares passed back when it was in the 5-10 range if you believe that it's going to hit 40.

JS80 just posted about buying some options... what/why did you buy, if you don't mind sharing? I'd also be interested in getting in on this... but not really knowing what I'm doing, I'd like to see what ATers are up to first.
 

Azurik

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Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
I didnt have anything to invest in RMBS at the time, but now that I do......whats the recommended play?

Good time to buy still or wait for a selloff?

Seems like now there it would be preferable to be purchasing options? Maybe the time to buy/hold shares passed back when it was in the 5-10 range if you believe that it's going to hit 40.

JS80 just posted about buying some options... what/why did you buy, if you don't mind sharing? I'd also be interested in getting in on this... but not really knowing what I'm doing, I'd like to see what ATers are up to first.

JS80 bought the July $15's back a couple weeks ago when RMBS was trading at $12. It was a good bet back then, but now it's well in-the-money. Personally, Aug/Sept is too risky for me, and even Nov/Dec to some extent. But if you want to make a play at an early settlment and you're right, it'll pay big time. I won't complain either. I'm sure my shares and options will thank you.

Here's my short-term prediction: either the market makers peg this to where it is now/a little bit lower due to options expiration or we shoot close to $25 in very short order.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
I didnt have anything to invest in RMBS at the time, but now that I do......whats the recommended play?

Good time to buy still or wait for a selloff?

Seems like now there it would be preferable to be purchasing options? Maybe the time to buy/hold shares passed back when it was in the 5-10 range if you believe that it's going to hit 40.

JS80 just posted about buying some options... what/why did you buy, if you don't mind sharing? I'd also be interested in getting in on this... but not really knowing what I'm doing, I'd like to see what ATers are up to first.

I bot the July 15 calls. The Aug/Nov options were too exp IMO so I decided to gamble on the July anticipating a run before the September trial date, especially considering there is a probability of settlement and never going to trial.

I also bot the August 25 calls this morning on the dip.

If you don't know what you're doing, I would recommend against buying options, although this might be a case of exception and may be a good time to "learn."
 

Azurik

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Agree with what JS80 said. Options are really risky... and I know my point will be lost because of the run-up we have had, but it's a losing position to most players.

If you had to press me in a corner, and I didn't have a Rambus position at all, I'd probably initiate a position with Jan $35 calls. It's risky, but that's the one I would choose in both in price target and time to hit.

For the short-term, I have to remind people, that it could go either way. Momentum is definitely in RMBS's favor, but it is overbought at this level. The rise happened way too fast and needs to consolidate before it can sustain a healthy and steady rise. This is not to say it can't go up any further.

Any news, and that advice I gave you goes out the window.
 

KentState

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
I didnt have anything to invest in RMBS at the time, but now that I do......whats the recommended play?

Good time to buy still or wait for a selloff?

Seems like now there it would be preferable to be purchasing options? Maybe the time to buy/hold shares passed back when it was in the 5-10 range if you believe that it's going to hit 40.

JS80 just posted about buying some options... what/why did you buy, if you don't mind sharing? I'd also be interested in getting in on this... but not really knowing what I'm doing, I'd like to see what ATers are up to first.

I bot the July 15 calls. The Aug/Nov options were too exp IMO so I decided to gamble on the July anticipating a run before the September trial date, especially considering there is a probability of settlement and never going to trial.

I also bot the August 25 calls this morning on the dip.

If you don't know what you're doing, I would recommend against buying options, although this might be a case of exception and may be a good time to "learn."

I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, since I mess up all the time. How does someone knowledgeable about the stock market and buys and sells regularly thinks that bought is spelled "bot"?
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: KentState
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
I didnt have anything to invest in RMBS at the time, but now that I do......whats the recommended play?

Good time to buy still or wait for a selloff?

Seems like now there it would be preferable to be purchasing options? Maybe the time to buy/hold shares passed back when it was in the 5-10 range if you believe that it's going to hit 40.

JS80 just posted about buying some options... what/why did you buy, if you don't mind sharing? I'd also be interested in getting in on this... but not really knowing what I'm doing, I'd like to see what ATers are up to first.

I bot the July 15 calls. The Aug/Nov options were too exp IMO so I decided to gamble on the July anticipating a run before the September trial date, especially considering there is a probability of settlement and never going to trial.

I also bot the August 25 calls this morning on the dip.

If you don't know what you're doing, I would recommend against buying options, although this might be a case of exception and may be a good time to "learn."

I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, since I mess up all the time. How does someone knowledgeable about the stock market and buys and sells regularly thinks that bought is spelled "bot"?

Because that's the short hands for bought within the trading realm.
 

Azurik

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Originally posted by: KentState
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
I didnt have anything to invest in RMBS at the time, but now that I do......whats the recommended play?

Good time to buy still or wait for a selloff?

Seems like now there it would be preferable to be purchasing options? Maybe the time to buy/hold shares passed back when it was in the 5-10 range if you believe that it's going to hit 40.

JS80 just posted about buying some options... what/why did you buy, if you don't mind sharing? I'd also be interested in getting in on this... but not really knowing what I'm doing, I'd like to see what ATers are up to first.

I bot the July 15 calls. The Aug/Nov options were too exp IMO so I decided to gamble on the July anticipating a run before the September trial date, especially considering there is a probability of settlement and never going to trial.

I also bot the August 25 calls this morning on the dip.

If you don't know what you're doing, I would recommend against buying options, although this might be a case of exception and may be a good time to "learn."

I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, since I mess up all the time. How does someone knowledgeable about the stock market and buys and sells regularly thinks that bought is spelled "bot"?

He's been like that for a while... a trader and a traitor... I just accept him :)
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Originally posted by: KentState
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
I didnt have anything to invest in RMBS at the time, but now that I do......whats the recommended play?

Good time to buy still or wait for a selloff?

Seems like now there it would be preferable to be purchasing options? Maybe the time to buy/hold shares passed back when it was in the 5-10 range if you believe that it's going to hit 40.

JS80 just posted about buying some options... what/why did you buy, if you don't mind sharing? I'd also be interested in getting in on this... but not really knowing what I'm doing, I'd like to see what ATers are up to first.

I bot the July 15 calls. The Aug/Nov options were too exp IMO so I decided to gamble on the July anticipating a run before the September trial date, especially considering there is a probability of settlement and never going to trial.

I also bot the August 25 calls this morning on the dip.

If you don't know what you're doing, I would recommend against buying options, although this might be a case of exception and may be a good time to "learn."

I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, since I mess up all the time. How does someone knowledgeable about the stock market and buys and sells regularly thinks that bought is spelled "bot"?

Because that's the short hands for bought within the trading realm.

This. Plus, it would be spelling nazi, not grammar :p
 

JS80

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BOT

BOT

Used on transaction slips to indicate the side of a trade in which securities are bought. Compare sld 2.


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