Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[Pens1566]

Fun fact, Bernie would have lost even if all the super delegates would have been his. Hillary DESTROYED him.

 

[K1052]

As far as "throwing out my vote" goes I voted for Biden in the primary. I am not however going to cling to the rail of a sinking ship when there is perfectly serviceable lifeboat available. My policy desires far outweigh any allegiance to any single politician, Biden included.

 

[Pens1566]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813658093739483375

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813567925191631164

Whoever keeps doing this in the Democratic party should really stop if they truly want to replace the nominee. Seems that some think that they could use the replace scenario to bypass a primary they could never win, or seeing their 2028 prospects being flushed and just want power instead of coalescing around the logical replacement path.

Yeah, any kind of open convention or whatever is the absolute WORST case possible. They will lose a ton of african american support and crater their #s. This is exactly what everyone sticking with Biden is/was afraid of.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yeah, any kind of open convention or whatever is the absolute WORST case possible. They will lose a ton of african american support and crater their #s.

Never mind all the downstream effects of breaking completely from the administration: all the choices made may be viewed through a lens of political failure. Goodbye progressive policy dreams and say hello to new neoliberal policy making.

 

[K1052]

Ideal sequence of events from here:

1) Biden withdraws and releases his delegates, implores them to support Harris.
2) Biden publicly endorses Harris and so do the D leaders (negotiated as a condition of his exiting the race).
3) Coordinated arm twisting of donors, delegates, and all relevant 2028 hopefuls to back Harris.
4) DNC reschedules the virtual roll call vote and nominates Harris before the convention.
5) Hold convention and nominate appropriate VP selection (Shapiro, Cooper, or Beshear).

 

[Indus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813658093739483375

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813567925191631164

Whoever keeps doing this in the Democratic party should really stop if they truly want to replace the nominee. Seems that some think that they could use the replace scenario to bypass a primary they could never win, or seeing their 2028 prospects being flushed and just want power instead of coalescing around the logical replacement path.

So basically they want a plan conjured up by a donor during a cocaine filled orgy with his donor friends?

I'll say it again.. Biden needs to out-trump Trump and say FUCK YOU TO THE DONORS/ BILLIONAIRES.

This is the one chance the dem party has to basically show they care about the former middle class/current working poor! That's the hill to die on if there's no other way!

 

[Pens1566]

Ideal sequence of events from here:

1) Biden withdraws and releases his delegates, implores them to support Harris.
2) Biden publicly endorses Harris and so do the D leaders (negotiated as a condition of his exiting the race).
3) Coordinated arm twisting of donors, delegates, and all relevant 2028 hopefuls to back Harris.
4) DNC reschedules the virtual roll call vote and nominates Harris before the convention.
5) Hold convention and nominate appropriate VP selection (Shapiro, Cooper, or Beshear).

Bit of Devil's advocate here:

So each of those 5 steps is actually multiple steps ... and there are numerous behind the scenes "sub-tasks" that go along with each. That's a ton of moving parts and things that have to fall in line just to get back to "we might be in a marginally better polling place except for a few key demos in swing states". All from a party apparatus that is more likely to step on its own proverbial dick than to thread the needle.

BTW, I think #3 is going to be almost impossible. Too many interest groups to satisfy, too many agendas, too many egos, and too many political animals waiting in the wings that want their shortcut shot.

 

[dank69]

Ideal sequence of events from here:

1) Biden withdraws and releases his delegates, implores them to support Harris.
2) Biden publicly endorses Harris and so do the D leaders (negotiated as a condition of his exiting the race).
3) Coordinated arm twisting of donors, delegates, and all relevant 2028 hopefuls to back Harris.
4) DNC reschedules the virtual roll call vote and nominates Harris before the convention.
5) Hold convention and nominate appropriate VP selection (Shapiro, Cooper, or Beshear).

I think the ideal play would be to load Biden up with Ritalin and/or Adderall before going out in public for the next 6 months.

 

[repoman0]

Ideal sequence of events from here:

1) Biden withdraws and releases his delegates, implores them to support Harris.
2) Biden publicly endorses Harris and so do the D leaders (negotiated as a condition of his exiting the race).
3) Coordinated arm twisting of donors, delegates, and all relevant 2028 hopefuls to back Harris.
4) DNC reschedules the virtual roll call vote and nominates Harris before the convention.
5) Hold convention and nominate appropriate VP selection (Shapiro, Cooper, or Beshear).

Yeah it has to be Harris. 14 million of us voted for her in the primary too.

 

[dank69]

Bit of Devil's advocate here:

So each of those 5 steps is actually multiple steps ... and there are numerous behind the scenes "sub-tasks" that go along with each. That's a ton of moving parts and things that have to fall in line just to get back to "we might be in a marginally better polling place except for a few key demos in swing states". All from a party apparatus that is more likely to step on its own proverbial dick than to thread the needle.

BTW, I think #3 is going to be almost impossible. Too many interest groups to satisfy, too many agendas, too many egos, and too many political animals waiting in the wings that want their shortcut shot.

Well, Biden has some new powers at his disposal which include the ability to assassinate any Dem putting their own designs on 2028 or whatever over this election.

 

[K1052]

Never mind all the downstream effects of breaking completely from the administration: all the choices made may be viewed through a lens of political failure. Goodbye progressive policy dreams and say hello to new neoliberal policy making.

One of the major criticisms of Harris is that she's "too liberal" which means she's going to have to tack hard to the center and lean on stuff like her credibility as a prosecutor if she is elevated to the top of the ticket. This bothers me not at all because you don't get to make policy if you don't win the fucking election in the first place. Most of the progressives in congress do understand that as well.

 

[K1052]

Bit of Devil's advocate here:

So each of those 5 steps is actually multiple steps ... and there are numerous behind the scenes "sub-tasks" that go along with each. That's a ton of moving parts and things that have to fall in line just to get back to "we might be in a marginally better polling place except for a few key demos in swing states". All from a party apparatus that is more likely to step on its own proverbial dick than to thread the needle.

BTW, I think #3 is going to be almost impossible. Too many interest groups to satisfy, too many agendas, too many egos, and too many political animals waiting in the wings that want their shortcut shot.

Everybody is so exhausted by the drawn out drama that they're just going to be happy it's over. If the entire leadership is on board in public almost everybody is just going to swallow it, even if they have other ambitions, and move on.

 

[dank69]

One of the major criticisms of Harris is that she's "too liberal" which means she's going to have to tack hard to the center and lean on stuff like her credibility as a prosecutor if she is elevated to the top of the ticket. This bothers me not at all because you don't get to make policy if you don't win the fucking election in the first place. Most of the progressives in congress do understand that as well.

Harris? Too liberal? What absolute clown says that? She's a fucking authoritarian through and through.

 

[K1052]

Harris? Too liberal? What absolute clown says that? She's a fucking authoritarian through and through.

It's a perception probably because she's from California. I did put it in quotes also to indicate I don't necessarily agree with that opinion.

 

[Brainonska511]

One of the major criticisms of Harris is that she's "too liberal" which means she's going to have to tack hard to the center and lean on stuff like her credibility as a prosecutor if she is elevated to the top of the ticket. This bothers me not at all because you don't get to make policy if you don't win the fucking election in the first place. Most of the progressives in congress do understand that as well.

Yes. I certainly understand this part. I'm just worried about the morons that keep advocating for a complete break without understanding the long-term ramifications.

On a related note, Kamala Harris fits into a funny space politically - to the center, she's too liberal (partly due to her very progressive voting record and also likely viewed this way because it's a more politically correct way to not like a successful black woman), but to the far left who is too online, she's "a cop" (though, anyone to the right of Stalin seems to be Hitler in their eyes).

 

[K1052]

Yes. I certainly understand this part. I'm just worried about the morons that keep advocating for a complete break without understanding the long-term ramifications.

Hence my strong suggestion we essentially shove such people in a locker for the duration of the election.

On a related note, Kamala Harris fits into a funny space politically - to the center, she's too liberal (partly due to her very progressive voting record and also likely viewed this way because it's a more politically correct way to not like a successful black woman), but to the far left who is too online, she's "a cop" (though, anyone to the right of Stalin seems to be Hitler in their eyes).

This is true. On the plus side she is less well defined with a chunk of independents who could actually be campaigned to. Opinions of Trump and Biden are so fixed at this point that there doesn't seem like there is nearly any event that can shift the direction of things back into Biden's favor and my faith he can claw his way out of this one is minimal now.

 

[MrSquished]

I think the ideal play would be to load Biden up with Ritalin and/or Adderall before going out in public for the next 6 months.

You should just become a doctor for the old and going senile - because you could make a shit ton of money if this prescription regiment works - it's the cure everyone is looking for but here it has been in front of our eyes this whole time! Why are you on this board doctor? You could be a billionaire and making hundreds of millions and helping old people get new lives!

 

[MrSquished]

I think what has to happen is already written and @K1052 laid it out well. Of course, the Democrats could fuck anything up - but it seems pretty clear that Dems in power are coalescing behind Harris. Now if the actual elites, the Dem party apparatus, want to go over Harris, well, they have to be shot down. They live in la la land and the Dems have to push back hard on them just like the did on Biden these last 4-5 days.

 

[dank69]

You should just become a doctor for the old and going senile - because you could make a shit ton of money if this prescription regiment works - it's the cure everyone is looking for but here it has been in front of our eyes this whole time! Why are you on this board doctor? You could be a billionaire and making hundreds of millions and helping old people get new lives!

Thanks, I have some suggestions on how to remove sticks from asses if you're interested.

 

[eelw]

Lol it was first the confederates that wanted to tear down the country. Recently MAGA. Currently Dems!!!!!! Makes me wonder if these bedwetters are undercover Repugnicans?

Like let Biden win re-election. Big deal if given option to vote in Harris now or let her succeed Biden in term, it’s the same thing.

 

[MrSquished]

Thanks, I have some suggestions on how to remove sticks from asses if you're interested.

Fantastic. I have a prescription for that already - it says 'live in a world with less stupid people'

Working on it.

 

[dank69]

Fantastic. I have a prescription for that already - it says 'live in a world with less stupid people'

Working on it.

Double the dosage immediately.

 

[K1052]

Lol it was first the confederates that wanted to tear down the country. Recently MAGA. Currently Dems!!!!!! Makes me wonder if these bedwetters are undercover Repugnicans?

Like let Biden win re-election. Big deal if given option to vote in Harris now or let her succeed Biden in term, it’s the same thing.

Lol. Is Pelosi an undercover R? She's maneuvering to get him out because she thinks he cannot win and that he'll be a drag down ballot. I think she is more likely than not correct.

 

[eelw]

Lol. Is Pelosi an undercover R? She's maneuvering to get him out because she thinks he cannot win and that he'll be a drag down ballot. I think she is more likely than not correct.

Sorry I should have quoted, but the link to not pick Harris either. Like truly lemmings they want to be

 

[Leeea]

Supposedly the scenario is becoming more real and not a joke but I can't believe I'm saying this but I'll be super pissed if they remove Biden.

I'm just tired of democracy not being respected! Like me and the wife talked about it.. we both voted for Biden in the primary.

Now the DNC ripped up the choice of the people twice in 8 years?? - first on a technicality of superdelegates, and now this?!?!?!

Fuck that.. I might actually just write in Joe Biden. And I'll be done with the dems.

You also voted for Harris. There were two names on that ticket.