Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[yottabit]

Exactly! Dems are their own worst enemies. Do you know how I know this? Because the right has been silent on this relatively speaking, that is, the people complaining about this the loudest are on the left. It’s fucking Bernie bros 2.0.

...

 

[Brainonska511]

Seriously it feels like I'm watching "How to Lose an Election in 10 Days"

The hilarious part is pushing for Biden to get out the race without having a clear replacement candidate in mind. 4D Chess move

Any misgivings about his age or considerations about a replacement candidate should have been through backroom discussions until an agreement was reached. It's absolutely insane to me that democrats were tweeting and hopping on the news immediately after the debate tossing out that idea. All for a 2% polling drop (within the margin of error). With the ongoing media coverage it's turning into a lose-lose situation now.

It's at least half Biden's own fault, if ever there was a time to keep him locked away from the media and keep posting TikToks and other scripted shit it would have been these last four months. Instead he pushed for a live debate. Given the stakes of this election I would have traded a late Kim Jung Un or COVID-era Putin style "reports of his death are greatly exaggerated" media blackout for what ended up happening

The reason some here are arguing that it "doesn't matter" that Biden is old may be:
1) The administration is what really matters and his has been good/great
2) Kamala Harris is there ready to take over
3) The ticket has name recognition and feels "safe" to the average voter

The last one is critical because this is really another "anyone but Trump" election.

The Bernie Bros 2.0 will say he needs to step down and then in the same breath say they would vote for him though. OK, but the average voter probably isn't going to vote for a Harris/Whitmer/Buttigieg/[Insert Generic Candidate Here] ticket.

Do you guys not comprehend that a lot of people are afraid of things they are unfamiliar with, and that seeing some new name they aren't familiar with might be scary to them? Enough that they would vote for Trump because at least he is a "known" factor. Biden's superstrength is that he's a milquetoast inoffensive moderate and any of these options that "energize the base" aren't going to do that.

You'll get the turnout of the 14% of the Bernie Bros and lose 35% of the middle of the country. There's no way 4 months of campaigning is going to make up for the decades of awareness and name recognition Biden has. Realistically we'd be lucky if it's >= 3 months of campaigning seeing as how I'm sure there will be at least a month of bickering to decide the replacement. That's why Trump would love for the candidate to get swapped. This is putting aside the bias some voters will have toward some of these candidates due to their racial status, gender, or sexual orientation.

There's probably a huge swath of average voters who don't even know this "Biden old" drama is going on right now, although with the way the media is ramrodding him it feels like it's trending toward Joever. It feels like I'm just watching the democratic party blow their own leg off and hand the election over. It's completely delusional. They need to unify and get their shit together. I think it's hard to quantify how much damage has been self-inflicted now so I'm not sure what the best path forward is anymore. I still think if people unified behind Biden this could blow over before November, but it would be so easy for Trump to press the issue with attacks of "his own party asked him to drop out". It seems almost an indefensible position.

The funny thing since the debate, Biden has done lots of live events and has been largely fine. But those events are all eclipsed by continually rehashing debate talking points, "unnamed sources" spreading hair on fire, and "dems in disarray" stories.

 

[Stokely]

All that Swiftboat comment should tell you is that the GOP will simply find something, or make something up, about any candidate the Dems pick. Jesus himself could run as as a Democrat and they'd just call him weak for turning the other cheek.

Unfortunately for Harris there's no shortage of misogynistic mouth-breathers out there and some of them vote Democrat--not all the assholes are Republicans, just most of them.

Anecdotally, I know a few "independent" mostly non-political people and they are all pretty shocked by Biden's debate performance. Not a great sign not only for the Presidency but also for anything else on the ballot. If I had to guess, these people won't bother to vote because they hate Trump, but don't want to vote for someone who can't function either. I don't agree with this, there's always a lesser evil and I'll always vote for it, but I suspect I'm in the minority there.

 

[Fenixgoon]

All that Swiftboat comment should tell you is that the GOP will simply find something, or make something up, about any candidate the Dems pick. Jesus himself could run as as a Democrat and they'd just call him weak for turning the other cheek.

Unfortunately for Harris there's no shortage of misogynistic mouth-breathers out there and some of them vote Democrat--not all the assholes are Republicans, just most of them.

Anecdotally, I know a few "independent" mostly non-political people and they are all pretty shocked by Biden's debate performance. Not a great sign not only for the Presidency but also for anything else on the ballot. If I had to guess, these people won't bother to vote because they hate Trump, but don't want to vote for someone who can't function either. I don't agree with this, there's always a lesser evil and I'll always vote for it, but I suspect I'm in the minority there.

it's not just voting for biden though. it's voting for administrators - heads of EPA, DHS, DOT, FCC, FTC, etc. - federal judges, and of course, supreme court justices. and since the supreme court just ruled itself to also be supreme legislator and kingmaker, you (general you, not you you) want to make sure you have the best shot at shaping the court and reversing all these disastrous decisions.

 

[MrSquished]

The funny thing since the debate, Biden has done lots of live events and has been largely fine. But those events are all eclipsed by continually rehashing debate talking points, "unnamed sources" spreading hair on fire, and "dems in disarray" stories.

We don't care about scripted live events where he still doesn't look that, good but it's a passable performance.

His decline has been apparent for over a year now and really the only challenging situation he's been put in was a debate, And he flunked with flying colors.

I'm about done with the Democratic party. I didn't realize it was half full with cultists. The party was warned by many of us about Biden running again, And it happened anyways. And now that we see all those people were correct, half the Democratic party wants to do the right thing and move on from Biden, But the other half are in a Biden cult.

The Republicans are pure evil. But the Democrats are simply dysfunctional beyond belief. And the cultists are showing us why. They're the same ones that told us oh we could never do better than Biden, which is basically saying your party is a joke, which got us into this fucking mess and the first place. And now they're doubling down and trying to deny reality.

 

[Brainonska511]

We don't care about scripted live events where he still doesn't look that, good but it's a passable performance.

His decline has been apparent for over a year now and really the only challenging situation he's been put in was a debate, And he flunked with flying colors.

I'm about done with the Democratic party. I didn't realize it was half full with cultists. The party was warned by many of us about Biden running again, And it happened anyways. And now that we see all those people were correct, half the Democratic party wants to do the right thing and move on from Biden, But the other half are in a Biden cult.

The Republicans are pure evil. But the Democrats are simply dysfunctional beyond belief. And the cultists are showing us why. They're the same ones that told us oh we could never do better than Biden, which is basically saying your party is a joke, which got us into this fucking mess and the first place. And now they're doubling down and trying to deny reality.

Sorry, you get power by winning and being a part of a constituency that helps to make that happen, not by blowing up your own side. I'm not exactly enamored by Biden, but his presidency has been enormously successful given the legislative map, and he generally seems fine for his age.

If it wasn't FPTP, and we had a more proportional system of representation, sure, let's build more parties. But we don't live under that kind of system at the moment.

 

[ivwshane]

The fact that Biden’s polling hasn’t cratered should tell everyone that all the doom and gloom is completely unnecessary. The fact that Biden is old is already baked into the cake, people know what they are getting and will vote accordingly. At this point all that matters is getting people out to the polls and you know what doesn’t help that? A bunch of “the sky is falling”, and “both sides” rhetoric. It’s pointless and counterproductive to be screaming about changing things up at this point.

 

[Jaskalas]

The media continuing to be the media:

Old guy who isn't always the best with words (D): Drop out
Old guy criminal with scrambled eggs for brains and dreams of fascism (R): Redefining Felon

Those statements are literally from the context of WANTING a Democrat to WIN the Presidency.
Don't care if Trump is horrible. We do not want people to vote for him.
We just don't want our guy to be a matching disaster. We want our guy to have greater appeal and to appear to be capable of doing the job. Of being the salesman the DNC needs.

 

[MrSquished]

Those statements are literally from the context of WANTING a Democrat to WIN the Presidency.
Don't care if Trump is horrible. We do not want people to vote for him.
We just don't want our guy to be a matching disaster. We want our guy to have greater appeal and to appear to be capable of doing the job. Of being the salesman the DNC needs.

these cultist statements have been explained away to them many many times by now. But they will keep repeating themselves in order to ignore reality, because that is what cultists do.

 

[Brainonska511]

Those statements are literally from the context of WANTING a Democrat to WIN the Presidency.
Don't care if Trump is horrible. We do not want people to vote for him.
We just don't want our guy to be a matching disaster. We want our guy to have greater appeal and to appear to be capable of doing the job. Of being the salesman the DNC needs.

No, those statements are really just normalizing Trump's behavior. There is no need to redefine the context of being a felon. Just write and call for the things you want to happen (even if those people won't do it) instead of acting like flyingpig "everyone knows this" and downplay the important stories.

 

[Fenixgoon]

No, those statements are really just normalizing Trump's behavior. There is no need to redefine the context of being a felon. Just write and call for the things you want to happen (even if those people won't do it) instead of acting like flyingpig "everyone knows this" and downplay the important stories.


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gotta agree here. CNN's front page is just all doom and gloom.

of most interest i think is the presidential historian comment of "difficult and sad". you know what's really sad? having a 34x convicted felon and rapist as a party nominee for president.

 

[yottabit]

gotta agree here. CNN's front page is just all doom and gloom.

of most interest i think is the presidential historian comment of "difficult and sad". you know what's really sad? having a 34x convicted felon and rapist as a party nominee for president.
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Just a reminder: https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322...is-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column

 

[ondma]

Biden is a poor choice. There is no point in history where he would be considered a choice at all. He should never have considered running again. Dems have numerous competent people they could select from. One of them should be the nominee. There is still time to choose someone else.

Who would you suggest at this late date? Be specific. Nearly every one else has polled worse than Biden against Trump.

 

[NWRMidnight]

if you can't see the differences between 2020 and four whole years later, in a country, let alone the world, where things change month by month, week by week, and even day by day, quite dramatically, let alone over four whole years, ESPECIALLY in things like politics (Obama '12 and Trump '16? Hello?) I have no idea what could help. Literally we got Obama in '12 and FOUR frickin years later we got Trump. And now these guys are telling us just to chill, four years is no biggie?

What world have you been living in your whole life? It's not the real world then, if this is what you really think.

The difference is Trump is a bigger threat today, who also has been convicted of 34 felonies, and has 60+ more waiting in the balance. Along with other glaring issues Trump would bring to this country with the latest SCOTUS rulings. I don't think Trump is going to fair as well as people think in the election, and Biden is going to do even better.

 

[ondma]

All that Swiftboat comment should tell you is that the GOP will simply find something, or make something up, about any candidate the Dems pick. Jesus himself could run as as a Democrat and they'd just call him weak for turning the other cheek.

Unfortunately for Harris there's no shortage of misogynistic mouth-breathers out there and some of them vote Democrat--not all the assholes are Republicans, just most of them.

Anecdotally, I know a few "independent" mostly non-political people and they are all pretty shocked by Biden's debate performance. Not a great sign not only for the Presidency but also for anything else on the ballot. If I had to guess, these people won't bother to vote because they hate Trump, but don't want to vote for someone who can't function either. I don't agree with this, there's always a lesser evil and I'll always vote for it, but I suspect I'm in the minority there.

That is clearly true, which makes it even more important that the Dems have someone who appears competent, speaks well, and can vigorously attack Trump and defend himself (at this stage, Biden is 0/3). Unfortunately, I dont know who that is, and even if there were a great alternative to Biden, it could be too late to switch.

 

[Greenman]

Seriously it feels like I'm watching "How to Lose an Election in 10 Days"

The hilarious part is pushing for Biden to get out the race without having a clear replacement candidate in mind. 4D Chess move

Any misgivings about his age or considerations about a replacement candidate should have been through backroom discussions until an agreement was reached. It's absolutely insane to me that democrats were tweeting and hopping on the news immediately after the debate tossing out that idea. All for a 2% polling drop (within the margin of error). With the ongoing media coverage it's turning into a lose-lose situation now.

It's at least half Biden's own fault, if ever there was a time to keep him locked away from the media and keep posting TikToks and other scripted shit it would have been these last four months. Instead he pushed for a live debate. Given the stakes of this election I would have traded a late Kim Jung Un or COVID-era Putin style "reports of his death are greatly exaggerated" media blackout for what ended up happening

The reason some here are arguing that it "doesn't matter" that Biden is old may be:
1) The administration is what really matters and his has been good/great
2) Kamala Harris is there ready to take over
3) The ticket has name recognition and feels "safe" to the average voter

The last one is critical because this is really another "anyone but Trump" election.

The Bernie Bros 2.0 will say he needs to step down and then in the same breath say they would vote for him though. OK, but the average voter probably isn't going to vote for a Harris/Whitmer/Buttigieg/[Insert Generic Candidate Here] ticket.

Do you guys not comprehend that a lot of people are afraid of things they are unfamiliar with, and that seeing some new name they aren't familiar with might be scary to them? Enough that they would vote for Trump because at least he is a "known" factor. Biden's superstrength is that he's a milquetoast inoffensive moderate and any of these options that "energize the base" aren't going to do that.

You'll get the turnout of the 14% of the Bernie Bros and lose 35% of the middle of the country. There's no way 4 months of campaigning is going to make up for the decades of awareness and name recognition Biden has. Realistically we'd be lucky if it's >= 3 months of campaigning seeing as how I'm sure there will be at least a month of bickering to decide the replacement. That's why Trump would love for the candidate to get swapped. This is putting aside the bias some voters will have toward some of these candidates due to their racial status, gender, or sexual orientation.

There's probably a huge swath of average voters who don't even know this "Biden old" drama is going on right now, although with the way the media is ramrodding him it feels like it's trending toward Joever. It feels like I'm just watching the democratic party blow their own leg off and hand the election over. It's completely delusional. They need to unify and get their shit together. I think it's hard to quantify how much damage has been self-inflicted now so I'm not sure what the best path forward is anymore. I still think if people unified behind Biden this could blow over before November, but it would be so easy for Trump to press the issue with attacks of "his own party asked him to drop out". It seems almost an indefensible position.

It ain't 4D chess, it's two special needs kids playing checkers, and they're all the same color.

 

[MrSquished]

The difference is Trump is a bigger threat today, who also has been convicted of 34 felonies, and has 60+ more waiting in the balance. Along with other glaring issues Trump would bring to this country with the latest SCOTUS rulings. I don't think Trump is going to fair as well as people think in the election, and Biden is going to do even better.

yes yes we've heard this a million times, so it doesn't matter about the changes in the Dem candidate, which are almost all negative from his disapprovals, to now looking mentally incompetent, because Trump is so bad, and we have seen throughout recent history, we can trust the average American voter to know all this stuff about politics and just do the logical and rational thing.This is called living outside of reality.

Good luck winning elections with that attitude.

 

[VRAMdemon]

The Dems need to get out and make this election about Trump and his unfitness to serve, and his usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. Trump has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why do you (we) want to go back to that?

To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down. His words:

"We are a failing country"
"Our elections are rigged and are a disaster"
"We are a third world nation.”
“We are living in hell”
"We are very close to World War III"
“People are dying all over the place”
“We’re literally an uncivilized country now.”
"The Left (everybody that's not MAGA) is destroying the country"

We all know these things are not true. He needs to be forcefully called out on his bullshit by as many elected officials and former elected officials as possible. Biden had a chance to do that and failed.

Every day Trump reminds us of what another four years of Trump would look like. More Tweeting (Truthing) watching TV, golfing, hanging out at his country clubs, using non secured personal devices, stacking the judiciary with extreme judges who the American Bar Association rate as not qualified, bribes to foreign governments, not supporting our allies, cozying up to and admiring tinpot dictators, criminality, lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate - Just to name a few. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting. Again, why do we want to go back to that? Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself. He is running for president to stay out of prison.

 

[MrSquished]

The Dems need to get out and make this election about Trump and his unfitness to serve, and his usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. Trump has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why do you (we) want to go back to that?

To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down. His words:

"We are a failing country"
"Our elections are rigged and are a disaster"
"We are a third world nation.”
“We are living in hell”
"We are very close to World War III"
“People are dying all over the place”
“We’re literally an uncivilized country now.”
"The Left (everybody that's not MAGA) is destroying the country"

We all know these things are not true. He needs to be forcefully called out on his bullshit by as many elected officials and former elected officials as possible. Biden had a chance to do that and failed.

Every day Trump reminds us of what another four years of Trump would look like. More Tweeting (Truthing) watching TV, golfing, hanging out at his country clubs, using non secured personal devices, stacking the judiciary with extreme judges who the American Bar Association rate as not qualified, bribes to foreign governments, not supporting our allies, cozying up to and admiring tinpot dictators, criminality, lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate - Just to name a few. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting. Again, why do we want to go back to that? Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself. He is running for president to stay out of prison.

That's the job of the presidential ticket and especially the person running for president, and Biden is not doing it due to being coddled from the media and just about any unscripted situation, and it's not even like he looks great in all these scripted events. Most of them he just looks mediocre but passable. But people want to go down on the ship of Biden's ego right now.

 

[Brainonska511]

That's the job of the presidential ticket and especially the person running for president, and Biden is not doing it due to being coddled from the media and just about any unscripted situation, and it's not even like he looks great in all these scripted events. Most of them he just looks mediocre but passable. But people want to go down on the ship of Biden's ego right now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809444401149608286

If only he was doing campaign events.... Oh wait, he has been. But the focus from reporting is solely on the debate and rumors.

 

[Indus]

Seriously it feels like I'm watching "How to Lose an Election in 10 Days"

The hilarious part is pushing for Biden to get out the race without having a clear replacement candidate in mind. 4D Chess move

Any misgivings about his age or considerations about a replacement candidate should have been through backroom discussions until an agreement was reached. It's absolutely insane to me that democrats were tweeting and hopping on the news immediately after the debate tossing out that idea. All for a 2% polling drop (within the margin of error). With the ongoing media coverage it's turning into a lose-lose situation now.

It's at least half Biden's own fault, if ever there was a time to keep him locked away from the media and keep posting TikToks and other scripted shit it would have been these last four months. Instead he pushed for a live debate. Given the stakes of this election I would have traded a late Kim Jung Un or COVID-era Putin style "reports of his death are greatly exaggerated" media blackout for what ended up happening

The reason some here are arguing that it "doesn't matter" that Biden is old may be:
1) The administration is what really matters and his has been good/great
2) Kamala Harris is there ready to take over
3) The ticket has name recognition and feels "safe" to the average voter

The last one is critical because this is really another "anyone but Trump" election.

The Bernie Bros 2.0 will say he needs to step down and then in the same breath say they would vote for him though. OK, but the average voter probably isn't going to vote for a Harris/Whitmer/Buttigieg/[Insert Generic Candidate Here] ticket.

Do you guys not comprehend that a lot of people are afraid of things they are unfamiliar with, and that seeing some new name they aren't familiar with might be scary to them? Enough that they would vote for Trump because at least he is a "known" factor. Biden's superstrength is that he's a milquetoast inoffensive moderate and any of these options that "energize the base" aren't going to do that.

You'll get the turnout of the 14% of the Bernie Bros and lose 35% of the middle of the country. There's no way 4 months of campaigning is going to make up for the decades of awareness and name recognition Biden has. Realistically we'd be lucky if it's >= 3 months of campaigning seeing as how I'm sure there will be at least a month of bickering to decide the replacement. That's why Trump would love for the candidate to get swapped. This is putting aside the bias some voters will have toward some of these candidates due to their racial status, gender, or sexual orientation.

There's probably a huge swath of average voters who don't even know this "Biden old" drama is going on right now, although with the way the media is ramrodding him it feels like it's trending toward Joever. It feels like I'm just watching the democratic party blow their own leg off and hand the election over. It's completely delusional. They need to unify and get their shit together. I think it's hard to quantify how much damage has been self-inflicted now so I'm not sure what the best path forward is anymore. I still think if people unified behind Biden this could blow over before November, but it would be so easy for Trump to press the issue with attacks of "his own party asked him to drop out". It seems almost an indefensible position.

Word!

 

[Grabo]

Sorry, you get power by winning and being a part of a constituency that helps to make that happen, not by blowing up your own side. I'm not exactly enamored by Biden, but his presidency has been enormously successful given the legislative map, and he generally seems fine for his age.

If it wasn't FPTP, and we had a more proportional system of representation, sure, let's build more parties. But we don't live under that kind of system at the moment.

He seems of his age lately, which is the oldest of any sitting president. I understand what you are saying, that the Democratic ship is a ship-..a vehicle and the president..its figurehead? I guess not really since the role does appear to require a certain amount of live mental stimulation. If needs during his term he will have a vice president, I suppose.

I thought "I will drop out if the Almighty makes me" is a tad troubling specifically because it's coming from the Democratic nominee and not Trump. (I've never heard Trump mention an Almighty but that's beside the point).
In the end, I'm for whatever increases the Ds chances, and my horse in this race is strictly as third party spectator (but I write here nevertheless because the U.S is a significant global power and of the Western world).

I hope that the election and its postprocessing goes smoothly, however the result turns out. Polarization is increasing where I am too, but it isn't at this level, yet.

 

[Paratus]

Imagine saying that we can excuse the incompetence of a candidate because any candidate we put up will be attacked, so it's okay to completely dismiss the reality that the very serious criticism of our candidate is completely valid, So let's be deranged about it because people are going to criticize anyway. Also let me post some tweets from some blogger as if they are authoritative. After I just stated complete craziness.

Imagine saying who the candidate is doesn't matter in an election. Which is basically what you just said. That's fucking insane.

People are literally typing this and think they're not in a cult.

This really is the Emperors new cloths story. It's been obvious for at least a year and a half that Biden's mind is going, but most people refused to see it. After one debate it's suddenly an emergency and the democrats are floundering because they think it's to late to do anything about it. This wasn't a surprise, it wasn't something that happened overnight. Everyone close to Joe knew he was failing and decided that he'd be a handy sock puppet to prop up for a few more years. Then he shit the bed on national tv and now the "secret" is out. Did that change anything? Nope! Joe is now going to run as the first zombie candidate in U.S. history, and all the people that can do something about it won't because even a demented sock puppet is better than losing.

We're fucked.

Well who am I to argue with MrSquished and Greenman.

I’m ready guys. Tell me who to vote for.

 

[kage69]

A demented sock puppet is certainly better than electing Trump.

IMO Biden seems deluded at times. Trump is the one exhibiting actual dementia, almost constantly. Specifically, narcissistic dementia.

People need to remember this is also about the people around the president. Biden has competent, qualified people and a record of success. Trump has people like Stephen Miller and Roger Stone being his filters and suppliers of options. Bannon too I'll wager, if he makes it out of prison alive.

I think most people understand that this country cannot afford another Trump infection, though I do worry about magat malfeasance and penchant to make life hell for election workers.

 

[Indus]

I think most people understand that this country cannot afford another Trump infection, though I do worry about magat malfeasance and penchant to make life hell for election workers.

Did that understanding come before or after Jan 6th?