Obozo spat in most of every American's face

[Victorian Gray]

I'm sure he'd just open up a bible. It's not worth the effort with this one. All cops are evil, just as all Muslims are evil.

He claims to be Jewish so I doubt it would be a bible.

 

[Matt1970]

Actually the President said the same thing I did, he just didn't dumb it down to the first grade level like I did. The President has a higher expectation of the intelligence level of conservatives than I have come to realize exists. He doesn't realize that conservatives are the dumbest fucking thing on this planet and that in order to reach them you have to treat them like seriously developmentally disabled children.



He very clearly pointed out the many horrible things ISIL has done. To think he was "apologizing" shows just how twisted your thought process has become. What he sai has been dumbed down and explained to you like the retarded child that you are, so you don't have an excuse anymore.

No, he really didn't say what you said, you only wanted him to and you going into immature insult mode only proves I am right.

 

[Matt1970]

Just stop.

It's a simple question. Unless he is a history teacher there is really only one reason why you would mention indiscretions of the past when referring to current events.

 

[schmuckley]

The Muslims killed more people than existed at the time of the conquests? Those crafty sons of bitches.

You moron..
That's since it's inception in 600 AD-ish
You want I should dredge up the death toll in the name of Allah for the past 10 years?

 

[HomerJS]

People pissed because Obama ripped cover off idealized version of Christianity.

People surprised people can't do bad things regardless of religion. Religious people are some of the worst.

 

[IronWing]

You moron..
That's since it's inception in 600 AD-ish

Oh. So we're back to 1) comparing 1300 years of history to a small subset of the crusades, and 2) assuming that all wars with Muslim involvement are wars of religion.

You want I should dredge up the death toll in the name of Allah for the past 10 years?

Please do. Could you also look up the death toll in the name of freedom while you're at it?

 

[schmuckley]

what about the inquisition, it affected millions across the world.

christianity and islam are a blight on humanity.

sources say:150,000


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition I'm being lazy.

 

[Newell Steamer]

People pissed because Obama ripped cover off idealized version of Christianity.

Now Christians can't be proud over,...

Eating children: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade#Inspiration_to_the_future

Radulph of Caen wrote, "In Ma'arrat our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking pots; they impaled children on spits and devoured them grilled." At the same time, the minor knights and soldiers had become increasingly restless and threatened to continue to Jerusalem without their squabbling leaders.

Killing Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

The Peoples' Crusade instigated the Rhineland massacres and the massacre of thousands of Jews.

Dashing all hopes of reuniting Christianity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

The Fourth Crusade resulted in the sacking of Constantinople, effectively ending the chance of reuniting the Christian church by reconciling the East–West Schism and leading to the weakening and eventual fall of the Byzantine Empire to the Ottomans.

Oh, and was America outraged when modern religious leaders were bashing the Crusades?

Eight hundred years after the Fourth Crusade, Pope John Paul II twice expressed sorrow for the events surrounding it. In 2001, he wrote to Christodoulos, Archbishop of Athens, saying, "It is tragic that the assailants, who set out to secure free access for Christians to the Holy Land, turned against their brothers in the faith. The fact that they were Latin Christians fills Catholics with deep regret." In 2004, while Bartholomew I, Patriarch of Constantinople, was visiting the Vatican, John Paul II asked, "How can we not share, at a distance of eight centuries, the pain and disgust." This has been regarded as an apology to the Greek Orthodox Church for the terrible slaughter perpetrated by the warriors of the Fourth Crusade.

It was a dark and disgusting time.

But, more importantly, prior to Obama's remarks - people dismissed this criticism,.. siting how it was so long ago that there is no need to really bring it up. Well, why didn't they treat Obama's remarks just the same this go around?

 

[schmuckley]

Oh. So we're back to 1) comparing 1300 years of history to a small subset of the crusades, and 2) assuming that all wars with Muslim involvement are wars of religion.


Please do. Could you also look up the death toll in the name of freedom while you're at it?

a) I included the crusades AND Inquisition.
b) There have been no other documented instances.
c) You have nothing.
Bottom line: Islam has killed 90 times more people than Christianity.
I know that will never sink into your Iron head;but it's a fact.
Furthermore,the basic doctrine of Christianity does not condone killing;The basic doctrine of Islam does.

 

[fskimospy]

a) I included the crusades AND Inquisition.
b) There have been no other documented instances.
c) You have nothing.
Bottom line: Islam has killed 90 times more people than Christianity.
I know that will never sink into your Iron head;but it's a fact.
Furthermore,the basic doctrine of Christianity does not condone killing;The basic doctrine of Islam does.

You conveniently left out the 30 years war (about 8 million deaths) and other things like that.

I don't even understand why this is an argument. Christianity was the source of a hideous amount of death and destruction for a good portion of its history. It is less so now. Islam is the source of a lot of death and destruction now.

You can criticize the barbarity carried out in the name of Islam now, but as Obama noted it's probably a good idea to have some humility and understand western society's cultural heritage too. Neither religion covers itself in glory.

 

[Matt1970]

Now Christians can't be proud over,...

Eating children: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade#Inspiration_to_the_future


Killing Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades


Dashing all hopes of reuniting Christianity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades


Oh, and was America outraged when modern religious leaders were bashing the Crusades?


It was a dark and disgusting time.

But, more importantly, prior to Obama's remarks - people dismissed this criticism,.. siting how it was so long ago that there is no need to really bring it up. Well, why didn't they treat Obama's remarks just the same this go around?

Please try to link to more recent stuff. Maybe you shouldn't go back further than Columbus coming to America.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm just curious what's the threshold for how many people can be killed in the name of religion until Obamas point is no longer valid.

If Muslims accounted for 1 million deaths and Christians accounted for 300 thousand deaths, can either side really claim any moral high ground? I'd say no, which makes this whole argument laughable, then again, look at who is making the argument.

Stupid people do stupid shit all throughout history and nothing will change that nor will it change.
The thing people should be complaining about are the idiots who do the stupid shit, not their justifications for it.

 

[dawheat]

This is why we can't have nice things and politicians can't be thoughtful or nuanced - but have to speak like retarded 3rd graders to appease their constituents.

The section in question from the President's remarks. As a Christian and an American, I found nothing wrong with these comments. There is always a risk that evil hijacks that which was intended for good - and Christianity has clearly not been free of that either.

As we speak, around the world, we see faith inspiring people to lift up one another -- to feed the hungry and care for the poor, and comfort the afflicted and make peace where there is strife. We heard the good work that Sister has done in Philadelphia, and the incredible work that Dr. Brantly and his colleagues have done. We see faith driving us to do right.

But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.

We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion.

So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?

Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. Michelle and I returned from India -- an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity -- but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs -- acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation.

So this is not unique to one group or one religion. There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith. In today’s world, when hate groups have their own Twitter accounts and bigotry can fester in hidden places in cyberspace, it can be even harder to counteract such intolerance. But God compels us to try. And in this mission, I believe there are a few principles that can guide us, particularly those of us who profess to believe.

There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith - frankly this is one of the basic tenets of Christianity.

 

[schmuckley]

I'm just curious what's the threshold for how many people can be killed in the name of religion until Obamas point is no longer valid.

If Muslims accounted for 1 million deaths and Christians accounted for 300 thousand deaths, can either side really claim any moral high ground? I'd say no, which makes this whole argument laughable, then again, look at who is making the argument.

Stupid people do stupid shit all throughout history and nothing will change that nor will it change.
The thing people should be complaining about are the idiots who do the stupid shit, not their justifications for it.

If Christianity had killed 300,000 people;Islam would have killed 27,000,000
That's the ratio.

 

[IronWing]

Please try to link to more recent stuff. Maybe you shouldn't go back further than Columbus coming to America.

This is an interesting request given that the Islamic conquests took place before the crusades yet folks seem determined to include that body count in the comparison. Seems like a reasonable request though.

 

[Matt1970]

This is an interesting request given that the Islamic conquests took place before the crusades yet folks seem determined to include that body count in the comparison. Seems like a reasonable request though.

Ya but we aren't at war because of what happened a millennia ago. And there wouldn't even be body count comparisons if we stop excusing or lessening the impact of someone's action by repeatedly bringing up similar actions of others.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm sorry if someone stating some uncomfortable facts is "on a high horse" in your world.

It's not an uncomfortable fact...it's a bullshit jab at Christians regarding something that happened a 1000 years ago that's totally unrelated to our present day problems with religious extremists. It's like discussing current race issues that need to be addressed, and as part of that discussion, randomly remind blacks to get off their high horse as it was blacks who primarily sold their ancestors into slavery a couple hundred years ago. It's a WTF moment.

But I guess when your slithering on the ground just about anything looks like a high horse.

If you read the quote you can see that Obama is the one who's accusing Christians of being on a high horse, so if you're comparing Obama to a snake, I won't disagree.

 

[Matt1970]

This is why we can't have nice things and politicians can't be thoughtful or nuanced - but have to speak like retarded 3rd graders to appease their constituents.

The section in question from the President's remarks. As a Christian and an American, I found nothing wrong with these comments. There is always a risk that evil hijacks that which was intended for good - and Christianity has clearly not been free of that either.

You are doing the exact same thing Obama did. Unless Christianity is the next target after ISIS it is completely irrelevant and shouldn't have been in Obama's speech.

 

[IronWing]

Ya but we aren't at war because of what happened a millennia ago. And there wouldn't even be body count comparisons if we stop excusing or lessening the impact of someone's action by repeatedly bringing up similar actions of others.

I think that we are. I'm going to start a new thread on this over in the Discussion forum as my thoughts on this cover more than the topic of this thread.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not an uncomfortable fact...it's a bullshit jab at Christians regarding something that happened a 1000 years ago that's totally unrelated to our present day problems with religious extremists. It's like discussing current race issues that need to be addressed, and as part of that discussion, randomly remind blacks to get off their high horse as it was blacks who primarily sold their ancestors into slavery a couple hundred years ago. It's a WTF moment.

Whoa is that a bad analogy.

If you read the quote you can see that Obama is the one who's accusing Christians of being on a high horse, so if you're comparing Obama to a snake, I won't disagree.

It's pretty obvious that when Christians are attacking Islam as some sort of uniquely bad religion are just trying to ignore the fact that Christianity was historically used in a similar way.

Obama is simply reminding people to have some humility and some sense of historical context. It's always good advice and it should be taken here as well. I don't know why you guys are resisting some pretty common sense advice so strongly.

 

[dawheat]

You are doing the exact same thing Obama did. Unless Christianity is the next target after ISIS it is completely irrelevant and shouldn't have been in Obama's speech.

Wut? The President was talking to people of faith about how to react to religious extremism. For some reason, you think historical context is completely irrelevant?

I don't see any attack on Christians - but a statement that these are not new issues and can we learn from the past on how to handle the present.

Frankly - you can disagree with his point, but to view it as an attack on Christianity is intellectually narrow.

 

[thraashman]

Please try to link to more recent stuff. Maybe you shouldn't go back further than Columbus coming to America.

WW2 and the German Christians, a pro Nazi protestant group that fueled the anti Semitic attitude leading to the Holocaust.

Or then you have the 90's and the Bosnian Genocide.

And these are just genocides, if we just go with violent acts then there's many, many more examples.

 

[Matt1970]

You guys are right. I am going to join sides with Obama and call for an end to the crusades.

 

[thraashman]

You guys are right. I am going to join sides with Obama and call for an end to the crusades.

You empty headed twit, the entire point of the speech was (dumbed down for Matt1970), "Islam not bad. Christ people not bad. People use faith as excuse do bad things. We no claim all people same as bad people if share some beliefs. That make us hippo-krits. All good people need work to stop bad people."

 

[Matt1970]

You empty headed twit, the entire point of the speech was (dumbed down for Matt1970), "Islam not bad. Christ people not bad. People use faith as excuse do bad things. We no claim all people same as bad people if share some beliefs. That make us hippo-krits. All good people need work to stop bad people."

Good little Minion. Just follow and agree with everything the man at the podium says. He is incapable of saying anything wrong.