Obamacare is "repealed" in the House

[RocksteadyDotNet]

"obamacare" is awesome. it is something every other civilized nation has, and it works great. im just pissed the republicans made obama water it down so much that it wont really effect much.

which is also why i dont understand the repeal. what a waste of time. please house, focus on shit that matters.

LOL.

Obamacare is NOTHING like us advanced countries have, it's a joke.

You need government owned hospitals, or at the least Single Payer.

 

[Lemon law]

As just one of the larger 46% majority that favors the Obama health care reforms, compared to the 45% minority that favors its repeal, I am happy the the House has not wasted much of the time doing their version of the peoples business.

Now I place my hope in the the US Senate to similarly waste no time in telling the GOP House, that their repeal of Obama health care reforms stands zero chance of passage in the Senate. And perhaps the swiftest way and the least time wasting is to for 41 democratic Senators to pledge a filibuster against the House bill's passage. Once its established that the bill stands zero chance in the Senate, even ole delusional Mitch McConnell will smell the coffee and tell ole weeping John to read the cards and weep.

Then honor satisfied, the GOP can say they tried and failed, and zero more governmental time need be wasted on the GOP stupidity.

 

[exdeath]

The purpose behind this vote was strictly political grandstanding, Republicans showing off for their base.

And making a list to point to next election to have a repeat of this last election

 

[exdeath]

Good, spells an end to the Republicans getting the executive branch for another decade or so after 2012 when the healthcare bill becomes immensely popular like SS and Medicare are now.

Yeah because people who already can't afford health insurance now are going to afford it more easily when they are arbitrarily fined for not having it

 

[theeedude]

So, you're against the bill as written by your party?

I am fine with it. It's an actual law, not pie in the sky Republicans are promising.

 

[OrByte]

I like how the Republicans are saying they will "replace" obamacare....

yeah....right.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Here's a question - if you people love the way Europe runs things, why not just pack up and move there?

Medicare and SS have both been in trouble for some time now. Social Security is on its way to running out of money. And you want them to run your entire healthcare system?

I've heard some people say "oh it'll be different this time" - That's BS. The government doesn't have a great track record, why would this be any different?

Sure our system has its troubles but I don't see government takeover being the fix. The government is not and should not be viewed as the savior at all. Not to mention the Constitutionality of it either - last I checked, that isn't something the government is given power over. But heck, I guess that doesn't matter to some of you

Anyway, I'm done. Not sure why I bothered to venture into the P&N mudhole today, I usually stay away because seriously some of you people make me either weep for this country and humanity or downright scare me with your marxist and communist mindsets.

 

[theeedude]

Here's a question - if you people love the way Europe runs things, why not just pack up and move there?

Medicare and SS have both been in trouble for some time now. Social Security is on its way to running out of money. And you want them to run your entire healthcare system?

Here is a question, if you people hate the way US runs things with Medicare and Social Security, why not just pack up and move to a banana republic?

 

[OrByte]

Here's a question - if you people love the way Europe runs things, why not just pack up and move there?

Medicare and SS have both been in trouble for some time now. Social Security is on its way to running out of money. And you want them to run your entire healthcare system?

I've heard some people say "oh it'll be different this time" - That's BS. The government doesn't have a great track record, why would this be any different?

Sure our system has its troubles but I don't see government takeover being the fix. The government is not and should not be viewed as the savior at all. Not to mention the Constitutionality of it either - last I checked, that isn't something the government is given power over. But heck, I guess that doesn't matter to some of you

Anyway, I'm done. Not sure why I bothered to venture into the P&N mudhole today, I usually stay away because seriously some of you people make me either weep for this country and humanity or downright scare me with your marxist and communist mindsets.

your whole rant is scary.

There is no government take over of anything.

But keep ranting about marxism and communism...and don't forget to throw in a little socialism too!

 

[bfdd]

Anyone in favor of keeping this bill because everyone gets health insurance you are fucking retarded. Seriously. This bill does absolutely nothing to address the fundamental problems with our current system. Hell yesterday I got a good laugh seeing that my bill would only be 25% of what they are really billing the insurance company if I wanted to pay in cash. Think about that for a second.

 

[bfdd]

Here is a question, if you people hate the way US runs things with Medicare and Social Security, why not just pack up and move to a banana republic?

Medicare and Social Security are shitty fucking mismanaged programs and anyone who is ok with their status quo is an ignoramus.

 

[theeedude]

Medicare and Social Security are shitty fucking mismanaged programs and anyone who is ok with their status quo is an ignoramus.

OK, so how come Republicans aren't repealing Medicare and SS?

 

[theeedude]

Anyone in favor of keeping this bill because everyone gets health insurance you are fucking retarded. Seriously. This bill does absolutely nothing to address the fundamental problems with our current system. Hell yesterday I got a good laugh seeing that my bill would only be 25% of what they are really billing the insurance company if I wanted to pay in cash. Think about that for a second.

30 million uninsured IS a fundamental problem of our current system. Any reform that fails to address it is useless.

 

[bfdd]

30 million uninsured IS a fundamental problem of our current system. Any reform that fails to address it is useless.

See that's where you're wrong already. 30 Million uninsured isn't a fundamental problem with our current system it's a symptom. You start treating symptoms like problems and you get into the current situation we're in.

OK, so how come Republicans aren't repealing Medicare and SS?

Hell if I know I'm not a Republican nor did I vote for any of those guys. Plus who says they need to be repealed? Repealing "Obamacare" would be easy because it just went into effect. You can't just repeal Medicare and SS though because the government would go broke trying to repay everyone still alive for the money they can't cash out from SS(i lol'd writing that btw). IMO Medicare would be done away with anyways with any sort of real reform.

 

[werepossum]

It's called 'keeping a campaign promise'.

I don't see how they couldn't have the vote.

Fern

Agreed, but it would mean more if there were some chance of it passing. Also, in my mind repealing Obamacare should wait until the Republicans have an actual bill to replace it, so that people can fairly compare both sides' ideals.

 

[Generator]

Like all Obama legislation it comes from the Republican party of no ideas. Obamacare is no exception and is wholly made of fail. Repeal or don't, but I got no problem with Republicans who time and time again show the Democratic what a set of balls can do for a party.

STAND FOR SOMETHING FUCKING DEMOCRAT CUNTS.

Always calculating, selling out, and taking bribes. The cowardice of the Democratic party is a liability this country can't afford these days. A world where all it takes is one Goldman Sachs flunky to inflitrate the government, infest and infect law, then go back to that very business for a GIANT bonus cash pay out.

 

[theeedude]

See that's where you're wrong already. 30 Million uninsured isn't a fundamental problem with our current system it's a symptom. You start treating symptoms like problems and you get into the current situation we're in.

The uninsured are a fundamental problem of free market approach, not a symptom.
People who are not good risks for the insurance companies relative to what they can afford to pay for insurance do not get insurance in a free market.

 

[hal2kilo]

I like how the Republicans are saying they will "replace" obamacare....

yeah....right.

That's why they worked so hard for healthcare reform when they had complete control of the goverment before the 2006 elections lol.

 

[werepossum]

Like all Obama legislation it comes from the Republican party of no ideas. Obamacare is no exception and is wholly made of fail. Repeal or don't, but I got no problem with Republicans who time and time again show the Democratic what a set of balls can do for a party.

STAND FOR SOMETHING FUCKING DEMOCRAT CUNTS.

Always calculating, selling out, and taking bribes. The cowardice of the Democratic party is a liability this country can't afford these days. A world where all it takes is one Goldman Sachs flunky to inflitrate the government, infest and infect law, then go back to that very business for a GIANT bonus cash pay out.

Obamacare is an idea from the Republican party of no ideas? LOL

Unfortunately, with both parties actual legislation is often written by lobbyists, either corporate or other special interests. One party wants legislators (and the public) to actually read the bills before they vote on them, but they are very similar in their interactions with moneyed or otherwise powerful interests. Unless you're a foaming partisan of one side or another, you just screw up your courage and vote for the side you hate least.

 

[trenchfoot]

Makes me laugh to think that the repubs were/are in large part the reason the health care program is what it is from the damaging compromises they demanded and got out of the Obama administration. And now they point to it and say what a piece of junk it is when they were complicit in the whole process all along, making sure it was as weak as possible so as to make it as repealable as possible.

And let's not forget that there's folks in those polls who want the law repealed because it doesn't go far enough due to what the business backed repubs put in it, and worse, took out. And then there's all the other folks in the polls that were fed a bunch of lie-filled propaganda from the repubs that actually believed all of it and never actually tried to find out what benefits they actually got out of the program.

It is the repubs worst nightmare that given time, all the people who are benefitting from the program actually find out about it and approve, despite the incessant lies coming from the repubs to prevent that from happening.

edit - I have to add though, the Dems are their own worst enemy as they did not do enough to inform their constituents what benefits were derived from the program's passage, and how the Dems failed at countering the propaganda from the right.

 

[bfdd]

The uninsured are a fundamental problem of free market approach, not a symptom.
People who are not good risks for the insurance companies relative to what they can afford to pay for insurance do not get insurance in a free market.

wrong. since when is the healthcare industry a free market?


pro-tip: Insurance companies are not the healthcare industry, merely a part of it.

 

[dawp]

Good, obamacare is not good and IMO unconstitutional. Obama will never sign it though, but it sends a message to him about what people think of the bill.

He wont have to, it will never get out of the senate.

There is a point to this. Sending the bill to the Senate and have them vote it down it will expose the Senators that vote the will of the people down so they know who to to cast out in 2012.

Simple and effective.

it will never come up for a vote.

 

[Zebo]

Here's a question - if you people love the way Europe runs things, why not just pack up and move there?

Medicare and SS have both been in trouble for some time now. Social Security is on its way to running out of money. And you want them to run your entire healthcare system?

I've heard some people say "oh it'll be different this time" - That's BS. The government doesn't have a great track record, why would this be any different?

Sure our system has its troubles but I don't see government takeover being the fix. The government is not and should not be viewed as the savior at all. Not to mention the Constitutionality of it either - last I checked, that isn't something the government is given power over. But heck, I guess that doesn't matter to some of you

Anyway, I'm done. Not sure why I bothered to venture into the P&N mudhole today, I usually stay away because seriously some of you people make me either weep for this country and humanity or downright scare me with your marxist and communist mindsets.

Many have packed up and many are. But it's not reality for most of Americans. Distance, language barriers, leaving family and friends behind is just not realistic. It's scary I have to explain this. Anyway, what they do is work within the democratic system to change the system(s) in which they live. If you don't like democracy sorry it's not going anywhere it's in our Constitution.

 

[Zebo]

LOL.

Obamacare is NOTHING like us advanced countries have, it's a joke.

You need government owned hospitals, or at the least Single Payer.

So true. Americans always find a way to fuck things up. Blue print is there in about 30 countries where we could pay half per capita and insure everyone - all we had to do is copy it - but once our corporate titans got their meat hooks in it aka "uniquely American solution" we'll pay 2-4x as much and still won't insure everyone. Bill is a total unmitigated disaster. Only reason leftists support it is party cheer-leading and Obama's presidency expending a year of resources pimping it and to not pass it would have destroyed him.

 

[boomerang]

I am fine with it. It's an actual law, not pie in the sky Republicans are promising.

I see...

The reason I asked is because you wrote this: "If people can wait till they get sick to buy coverage with no penalty, how exactly does the private insurance model survive?"

This point has been brought up repeatedly by your sworn enemies which is anyone that even remotely opposes ObamaCare. It is a part of the bill that was crafted by your heerows, the Democrats. It's one of a myriad of major flaws in this bill. Flaws so prevalent and so intertwined that many feel it better to scrap it and start over. When you condemn a part of the bill written by those you worship and try to pin it on those whom you hate with every fiber of your being, it frankly makes you look stupid.

But, maybe all that rage blinded you?