Obamacare is "repealed" in the House

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trenchfoot

Lifer
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Oh I see you want to split a hair.

When someone says " After the smoke has cleared " in essence they could just say "After the fog of controversy has been cleared".

How can you not see what I am saying. Are you really that slow or are you just splitting hairs.


Wise Chinese quote gleaned from fortune cookie: "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging". ;)
 

pcgeek11

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I commend you on your ability to discern where committee meetings are held and admire you for that. Now if only you would use your impressive ability of observation to determine when you're being lied to and when you're hearing the truth......if it matters to you.

Sorry, but I ignore idiots with nothing to say... :(
 
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her209

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Yup, the Republicans were sure shut out.
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pcgeek11

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LOL... see pictures above.

The only one misrepresenting and dodging here is you, even after being shown otherwise. But instead, you just spout Republican/Faux News nonsense.

Apparently I gave you too much credit for the playing part.

You just cannot answer a question straight on can you? Typical of your ilk.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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Where in that is the connotation of understand or comprehend?

The bold section.

“But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy."

In my opinion she was saying that the people did not understand or comprehend what is in the bill due to all the controversy. But after the fog of controversy is cleared after the bill has been passed then we would be able to find out ( understand and comprehend) what is in it.

Does this clear it up?
 

pcgeek11

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jackstar7

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Olympia Snow! HAHAHA that is funny. Olympia Snow is a republican about as much as you are a genius. She isn't only in name.

They weren't in the first set of pics you posted which was a lie straight up.

Where did you answer about why you misrepresented your first set of pictures? Oh yeah, You didn't. Keep trying. You amuse me. :)

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her209

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Olympia Snow! HAHAHA that is funny. Olympia Snow is a republican about as much as you are a genius. She isn't only in name.
Awww... more denial.

They weren't in the first set of pics you posted which was a lie straight up.
Nope just adding more evidence that Republicans weren't shut out as you have claimed they were.

Where did you answer about why you misrepresented your first set of pictures? Oh yeah, You didn't. Keep trying. You amuse me. :)
Yup, more denial from you.

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SammyJr

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There is a point to this. Sending the bill to the Senate and have them vote it down it will expose the Senators that vote the will of the people down so they know who to to cast out in 2012.

Simple and effective.

Will of the people? Half the people who oppose ObamaCare oppose it because it didn't go far enough. They aren't going to be voting out Senators who support ObamaCare.
 

SammyJr

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You need to get out more. The Obamacare is 100% Dem bill. They shuttered out the GOP and the US population as they developed the bill behind closed doors. Then Pelosi made the grand statement " You will know what is in the bill after it passes".

Then why does it resemble RomneyCare so closely?
 

Carmen813

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Olympia Snow! HAHAHA that is funny. Olympia Snow is a republican about as much as you are a genius. She isn't only in name.

They weren't in the first set of pics you posted which was a lie straight up.

Where did you answer about why you misrepresented your first set of pictures? Oh yeah, You didn't. Keep trying. You amuse me. :)

Okay, fine Republicans were shut out. I'll concede the point, even though I believe it to be demonstratively false as others have shown.

But riddle me this: the bill that became law is nearly identical to what Republicans proposed in the 1990s, including the unholy "individual mandate." What is your explanation for that?
 

Exterous

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So true. Americans always find a way to fuck things up. Blue print is there in about 30 countries where we could pay half per capita and insure everyone - all we had to do is copy it - but once our corporate titans got their meat hooks in it aka "uniquely American solution" we'll pay 2-4x as much and still won't insure everyone. Bill is a total unmitigated disaster. Only reason leftists support it is party cheer-leading and Obama's presidency expending a year of resources pimping it and to not pass it would have destroyed him.

Eh - it's more lobbyist titans in general. As I recall a number of unions are exempt from the tax on certain types of insurance ('Cadillac' healthcare plans)

For the people who like the bill - do you like it because you actually like most of the bill or just like the idea that it insures the un-insured? Because, while I can fully support the insuring of everyone I cannot, for the life of me, understand why people like this bastardized piece of shit legislation. I mean, if it's so good, why did so many groups push so hard for exemptions. And why were the exemptions given??!!
 

thraashman

Lifer
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Will of the people? Half the people who oppose ObamaCare oppose it because it didn't go far enough. They aren't going to be voting out Senators who support ObamaCare.

Well, I was just reading a poll and while 1% more americans oppose it than support it. Of the Americans who oppose it, 31% want it repealed completley and 35% want it replaced with something that does more. So actually more Americans want it to do more than want it gone. The actual will of the people wants healthcare reform. The far right GOP wants raped women to be forced to have their kids then have no form of government funded healthcare or welfare to take care of them. (the rest of the GOP only wants parts of that last sentence)
 

thraashman

Lifer
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Okay, fine Republicans were shut out. I'll concede the point, even though I believe it to be demonstratively false as others have shown.

But riddle me this: the bill that became law is nearly identical to what Republicans proposed in the 1990s, including the unholy "individual mandate." What is your explanation for that?

I don't know about his explanation, but mine is that republicans are two-faced evil morons who want to do whatever is worst for the country at any individual time.
 

senseamp

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I see...

The reason I asked is because you wrote this: "If people can wait till they get sick to buy coverage with no penalty, how exactly does the private insurance model survive?"

This point has been brought up repeatedly by your sworn enemies which is anyone that even remotely opposes ObamaCare. It is a part of the bill that was crafted by your heerows, the Democrats. It's one of a myriad of major flaws in this bill. Flaws so prevalent and so intertwined that many feel it better to scrap it and start over. When you condemn a part of the bill written by those you worship and try to pin it on those whom you hate with every fiber of your being, it frankly makes you look stupid.

But, maybe all that rage blinded you?

There IS a penalty for not buying health insurance in Obamacare. That's the individual mandate provision that Republicans either want to repeal or block the IRS from enforcing. So the one blind with rage here is you.
 

IGBT

Lifer
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the repeal vote got more votes then the approval vote that made it law.
 
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airdata

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I honestly don't care either way.... But aren't we confusing the youth of the nation by passing stuff into law and then months later repealing it?

Aren't we just spinning our wheels here?

We need to do something about the partisan politics that run our country. Less my side against your side and more our country.
 

umbrella39

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Good, obamacare is not good and IMO unconstitutional. Obama will never sign it though, but it sends a message to him about what people think of the bill.

No it doesn't. It sends a message that republicans are 100% out of touch with what the fuck our elected reps need to be focusing on right now. Sorry, but as time goes by more and more are realizing most of their barking was just FUD. Sure it needs some polishing but repeal... not so much.
 

zsdersw

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Yes, there is a point to it. (Aside from being a campaign promise which they damned well needed to keep.)

Reid may well refuse to bring to a vote in the Senate to avoid the senario you describe. But Reps had to vote (or be absent etc), it remains to be seen if any Dem (or RINO) Rep gets in trouble over their Obamacare vote

The House is all the Repubs control. They are demonstrating to those who voted them in that they keep their campaign promises on Obamacare AND the need for them to control the Senate and the Exec branch to actually get their platform into law. I.e., voters we will do what you want, but you've gota stick with us and give us more power in the next election.

So yes, this was more than mere grandstanding in several ways.

Fern

No, this was just grandstanding because there's nothing to lose by doing it... and for politicians their #1 goal is avoiding things that cost them.

Had the Republicans also been in control of the Senate.. for example.. I'd bet this bill (or any bill that called for wholesale repeal) would never have been proposed, much less voted on. Why? Because there would've been a chance it would pass.. and that exposes the bill, the politicians, and the party to risk if the public doesn't like something further down the road.
 

umbrella39

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Interesting...a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll just put up states that 45% want it repealed while 46% want it to stay.

Also, Obama is up to 53% approval vs 41% disapproval.

People are waking up it seems. My 22 in AZ who is working part time and taking part time classes is now covered under my insurance at work. I'm supposed to be upset over this. I'd be willing to be a few of the 18-26 year olds posting here have recently been added back to their parents insurance, too. It would not surprise me if they rail against it here all the while benefiting from it. Like the retired teaparty supporters during the last election railing against all the social programs they are sitting on.
 

OutHouse

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if we stopped spending trillions of dollars on wars and over seas to Bullshit stuff our country could easily provide healthcare for every citizen.