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Obamacare is "repealed" in the House

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Good, spells an end to the Republicans getting the executive branch for another decade or so after 2012 when the healthcare bill becomes immensely popular like SS and Medicare are now.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
There is a point to this. Sending the bill to the Senate and have them vote it down it will expose the Senators that vote the will of the people down so they know who to to cast out in 2012.

Simple and effective.
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Interesting...a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll just put up states that 45% want it repealed while 46% want it to stay.

Also, Obama is up to 53% approval vs 41% disapproval.
 
Deeko said:
Come on. Everything you just described IS grandstanding.
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No, there's much more to it than grandstanding as has been amply explained to you.

Forcing votes that will (or may) have policial consequences cannot be dismissed as mere grandstanding. Not at all.

Fern
 
matt0611 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bullion_Depository
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So is that enough to cover every dollar? We may have a lot, but enough?

Engineer said:
Interesting...a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll just put up states that 45% want it repealed while 46% want it to stay.

Also, Obama is up to 53% approval vs 41% disapproval.
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Oooo a whole 1% in the WSJ poll want to keep it. Wow, that's a big majority isn't it. What about the other 9%?
Any link by the way?

And I wouldn't be surprised if polls from other sources would say differently. CNN would probably be higher on the "keep" list and Fox would most likely be up on the "get rid of" percentage. Right and left leaning news sources won't give you a truly accurate number, but unfortunately there is no true center-of-the road news source.
 
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Good, spells an end to the Republicans getting the executive branch for another decade or so after 2012 when the healthcare bill becomes immensely popular like SS and Medicare are now.
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That's a mighty bold prediction, and I don't believe it for a minute.

Fern
 
wirednuts said:
"obamacare" is awesome. it is something every other civilized nation has, and it works great. im just pissed the republicans made obama water it down so much that it wont really effect much.

which is also why i dont understand the repeal. what a waste of time. please house, focus on shit that matters.
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there are some good things about it. but there are also plenty of bad things. for example - people don't like dealing with the healthcare companies. they claim they're too expensive. so we're going to dump more people into the current system, especially including those who have pre-existing conditions. and that is going to make things cheaper? while theoretically possible (the increased cost associated with the most expensive insured is covered by the large pool of people who require few claims against their policy) i consider it highly unlikely, since so many healthcare companies are publicly traded and profit driven.

i think the fact that people cannot be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions is fantastic. i mean, the whole point of getting insurance and paying a premium is so you can use the insurance when you need it.

"free" preventive healthcare - you may not pay for the visit, but i wouldn't be surprised if premiums jumped in order to cover the cost put on to the insurance company. again, since they're profit-driven, they need to make up the cost of giving out "free" preventive care.

also, why can't policies be purchased across state lines? what the hell does it matter? i know i can get car insurance from any number of companies across the country. why should healthcare differ?

what the republicans are doing is a) symbolic b) silly, since they don't have anything to offer.
 
Fern said:
That's a mighty bold prediction, and I don't believe it for a minute.

Fern
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So what you're saying is that Washingtonians didn't realize Patty Murray supported the health care bill when she voted for it the first time, and therefore will vote her out of office next time, whereas they wouldn't otherwise? Come on, that's just asinine. The public isn't quite as stupid as you make them out to be - they can probably tell if a politician supports repealing legislation by looking at whether or not they voted for it the first time.

This is purely grandstanding, and a way for them to claim they fulfilled a campaign promise that they, in actuality, failed.
 
SparkyJJO said:
And I wouldn't be surprised if polls from other sources would say differently. CNN would probably be higher on the "keep" list and Fox would most likely be up on the "get rid of" percentage. Right and left leaning news sources won't give you a truly accurate number, but unfortunately there is no true center-of-the road news source.
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Agreed, so quit using that "Will of the People" Bullshit, O.K.?
 
SparkyJJO said:
So is that enough to cover every dollar? We may have a lot, but enough?



Oooo a whole 1% in the WSJ poll want to keep it. Wow, that's a big majority isn't it. What about the other 9%?
Any link by the way?

And I wouldn't be surprised if polls from other sources would say differently. CNN would probably be higher on the "keep" list and Fox would most likely be up on the "get rid of" percentage. Right and left leaning news sources won't give you a truly accurate number, but unfortunately there is no true center-of-the road news source.
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I never said anything about an overwhelming majority. I responded to those that are stating that the WILL of the people overwhelmingly want this overturned. Poll numbers suggest otherwise at this point.

I don't know enough about it but I suspect that it's just a win for big insurance and nothing else at this point. Time will tell I suppose.
 
Fenixgoon said:
also, why can't policies be purchased across state lines? what the hell does it matter? i know i can get car insurance from any number of companies across the country. why should healthcare differ?
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States set laws for insurance companies. If they're selling insurance in your state, I'm guessing they're subject to the regulations and protections of your state. See state insurance commissioners.
 
Fern said:
That's a mighty bold prediction, and I don't believe it for a minute.

Fern
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Actually it's not much more than a prediction based on the last 80 yrs of history. That could always change, but it's not likely to. The big "entitlements", as they're called, always end up being popular. Usually by near super-majorities.
 
Fenixgoon said:
also, why can't policies be purchased across state lines? what the hell does it matter? i know i can get car insurance from any number of companies across the country. why should healthcare differ?
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Why is because someone paid attention to what happened when credit card companies got the same deregulation. They all moved to the most lax state to set up their HQ and proceeded to swallow up as much money as their unfilllable gullets could manage.
 
Been watching a lot on MLK and civil rights this week on TV.
Like the so called "Obama care" (which isn’t Obama at all because Obama wanted the public option. All this is watered down healthcare reform at best with a few good things that survived), but as with healthcare reform, there were A LOT of congressmen against civil rights legislation back then. And as with opposing healthcare, they opposed civil rights for their own twisted dumbfounded reasons.

Which just goes to show you, just because we have the house and senate, doesn’t mean we have intelligent house and or senate.

They have fought common sense before, as well as did "some" voters in general. And they will fight common sense again in the future.

What gets me is those opposed, the 50% of the public, would be the very first to cry waaaaa loudly if they were dropped or rejected because of pre-exists. Or if they hit the 1-million cap and THEN found their coverage was no longer there.
These very people, that love to vote against their own best interest, would cry so loudly the rest of us would need ear plugs.
But in the meantime, they continue to oppose something they really have so logic in opposing.

Like with civil rights, they oppose something they really do not know why they oppose in the first place. Same with the likes of gay marriage...

Maybe we will see John Boehner cry on TV when someone close to him is denied care because of some pre-existing condition?
Or maybe when he loses his lollipop at lunch?
 
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jackstar7 said:
Why is because someone paid attention to what happened when credit card companies got the same deregulation. They all moved to the most lax state to set up their HQ and proceeded to swallow up as much money as their unfilllable gullets could manage.
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so presumably car insurance companies have done the same?
 
I hope GOP keeps wasting it's time on these meaningless votes. The less actual work they do, the better off this country will be.
 
Symbolism over substance and a waste of time. If they had real balls they'd hold up debt limit until their version or no version passed.
 
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