Obama to unveil big increase in required mpg

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Read again, I said technology LIKE that, and further iterations of that, and or other similar improvements. That particular model gave V8 power from a V6, and improved efficiency 10-20% over standard engines. take that a few steps further, put it in a 4 and 6 cyl models and we are there. Car companies have been sitting on their asses, and I am glad for the requirement. .

I agree. Ford has ecoboost 4 banger planned that will produce v6 power. But you are not getting to 42 without being a hybrid or significantly reducing vehicle size and weight.

Today, yes dealing with currently used tech. Tomorrow, no , we will be much better. We dont do much innovating until our backs are to the wall. Last summer's $4 gallon gas will return as the economy improves and the drive will exist to innovate.

ANd if gas returns to $4 gallon there will be no need for this legislation. ANd if gas stays cheap this will only be another tax passed onto the consumer(cars will be more expensive/less capable for no reason).

Right, because Oil is infinite and will last forever.

We can technically chemically produce oil from other sources of energy.

 

[LTC8K6]

We would still be importing petroleum even if all of our vehicles were switched off of it tomorrow...

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Zorkorist

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I would say that it is about time. Our engineers are more than capable of meeting this mandate.

I see what you did there... of corse any engineer could do it, given long enough.

Government, aint it grand?

-John

You should probably tune in Rush and go back to lurking.

 

[Genx87]

All kidding aside this will hurt our auto industry and keep the malaize going.
The biggest obstacle of people switching to hybrids or pure electric is gasoline prices. I am waiting to see how this administration taxes or cuts off the supply of this to drive the price up. CAFE standards are fine and dandy but have done much less than the price of gasoline to push vehicles up in MPG.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
Innovation is an un-American trait. Maybe in our past we were innovators, but that time has gone. The prevailing view among many Americans is that science is for atheists, homosexuals, and foreign grad students in universities. Universities, for that matter, are havens for atheist, baby killing, moral relativist liberals.

There are no issues with the environment. Most Americans aren't affected by pollution, global warming, or their carbon footprint. If pollution occurs somewhere in the US, we have plenty of space within our vast nation to relocate to. If sea levels rise, it will flood the liberal Left Coast and Jew York City (the financial center which has recently wrought havoc on America). And anyway, people on the coasts can just relocate. God will protect us and take care of the Earth as He always has. The people who will die from rising sea levels are Southeast Asians who we would have killed in Vietnam anyway had the liberals not made us pull out.

The future of innovation belongs to China. They may be Commie Copy Cats, but there are a lot of them and somehow they are good at math. If they want to make plastic, rice burning, 42 MPG, eco-friendly, low carbon footprint, pussy accelerating, sub-compact death traps, be my guest. It is an improvement over the bikes they all used to ride anyway.

All Americans need are: guns, God, and gays at the end of a 10 ft pole. And by at the end of a 10 ft pole I mean far away, not whatever sick perverted things you may have been thinking about. And another G: a gas guzzling SUV.

Wow, quite a rant. Are you the anti-IGBT? :laugh:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Genx87
All kidding aside this will hurt our auto industry and keep the malaize going.
The biggest obstacle of people switching to hybrids or pure electric is gasoline prices. I am waiting to see how this administration taxes or cuts off the supply of this to drive the price up. CAFE standards are fine and dandy but have done much less than the price of gasoline to push vehicles up in MPG.

Gas prices definitely made me think economy when I finally dumped my VW. I went from driving a 20-22 MPG V6 to a 28-30 MPG 4 banger. Why? Because I knew $2 gas wasn't going to be around long.

 

[Atreus21]

Uh....

Why the hell is the US government involved in mandating MPG?

 

[techs]

I Bush had set some mpg standards at the beginning of his term US automakers would not be in the mess they are in.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Uh....

Why the hell is the US government involved in mandating MPG?

because US dependence on foreign oil means the terrorist win.

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
Innovation is an un-American trait. Maybe in our past we were innovators, but that time has gone. The prevailing view among many Americans is that science is for atheists, homosexuals, and foreign grad students in universities. Universities, for that matter, are havens for atheist, baby killing, moral relativist liberals.

There are no issues with the environment. Most Americans aren't affected by pollution, global warming, or their carbon footprint. If pollution occurs somewhere in the US, we have plenty of space within our vast nation to relocate to. If sea levels rise, it will flood the liberal Left Coast and Jew York City (the financial center which has recently wrought havoc on America). And anyway, people on the coasts can just relocate. God will protect us and take care of the Earth as He always has. The people who will die from rising sea levels are Southeast Asians who we would have killed in Vietnam anyway had the liberals not made us pull out.

The future of innovation belongs to China. They may be Commie Copy Cats, but there are a lot of them and somehow they are good at math. If they want to make plastic, rice burning, 42 MPG, eco-friendly, low carbon footprint, pussy accelerating, sub-compact death traps, be my guest. It is an improvement over the bikes they all used to ride anyway.

All Americans need are: guns, God, and gays at the end of a 10 ft pole. And by at the end of a 10 ft pole I mean far away, not whatever sick perverted things you may have been thinking about. And another G: a gas guzzling SUV.

probably the most rediculous and irrational statement in this thread, bravo to you sir.... lol



I dont have any problem with setting a goal for fuel efficiency, and 35.5 mpg is a fine goal. I was in support of it when Bush set the goal, so its not much different now, accept for the conditions of the economy. I know we have the people to make this happen, so its not a question of our capabilities.

My problem with moving up the timetable is the timing. I have the same problem with pushing UHC, cap and trade, etc that are goign to cost us average joe's significant amounts of money, at least in the short term.

Obama is pushing alot of policies right now, almost at a frenzy pace. Right now our economy is fragile enough without lumping more of a burden on us even if you believe the 'ends justify the means'. Even if I may not agree with the various policies, I would perfer it done when the economy is healthy instead of when so many people are having a rough time. Obama doesnt seem satisfied with just one or two policies to push, he wants everything now.

Over the next 5 years, the cost of living seems destined to go up alot and thats going to hurt everyone from top to bottom. This one policy is well intentioned, I just think Obama should have waited on this one or push back some of his other policies that are going to cost us so much.

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: retrospooty


Read again, I said technology LIKE that, and further iterations of that, and or other similar improvements. That particular model gave V8 power from a V6, and improved efficiency 10-20% over standard engines. take that a few steps further, put it in a 4 and 6 cyl models and we are there. Car companies have been sitting on their asses, and I am glad for the requirement. .

Ford is already implimenting such technology without any government mandates being passed. While I agree that having the standards can be a force in the market, I also dont consider all companies evil, stupid, and out to screw us over. There are companies that move forward and it looks like Ford is willing to do that, without taking any of our tax dollars, thats something to be happy about by itself.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: trooper11

Originally posted by: retrospooty


Read again, I said technology LIKE that, and further iterations of that, and or other similar improvements. That particular model gave V8 power from a V6, and improved efficiency 10-20% over standard engines. take that a few steps further, put it in a 4 and 6 cyl models and we are there. Car companies have been sitting on their asses, and I am glad for the requirement. .

Ford is already implimenting such technology without any government mandates being passed. While I agree that having the standards can be a force in the market, I also dont consider all companies evil, stupid, and out to screw us over. There are companies that move forward and it looks like Ford is willing to do that, without taking any of our tax dollars, thats something to be happy about by itself.

As long as Ford had energy's bitch in the White House it didn't do nearly enough to develop fuel effecient cars, the same as GM didn't.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If America was able to go to the moon in just ten years from when Kennedy said we would with the technology of the 60's this shouldn't be that tough of a task given todays technology and the technology of the near future.

I'm surprised that so many of you have so little faith in our engineers and sciemtists.

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According to Steve Garber, the NASA History website curator, the final cost of project Apollo was between $20 and $25.4 billion in 1969 dollars (or approximately $135 billion in 2005 dollars).

That ain't cheap, although since the bailouts started, I think we've become desensitized to the concept of just how much money a billion dollars actually is.

Can it be done? Maybe, possibly even probably. Who's going to ultimately foot the bill?

Your average American can't even afford to buy a new car right now without a loan.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Uh....

Why the hell is the US government involved in mandating MPG?

Because the Constitution is dead.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If America was able to go to the moon in just ten years from when Kennedy said we would with the technology of the 60's this shouldn't be that tough of a task given todays technology and the technology of the near future.

I'm surprised that so many of you have so little faith in our engineers and sciemtists.

We talk here mostly to imbecilic young men who were born in an age of chemical hormone equivalents that have left them emasculated and for whom 6000 pounds of iron are substitute dicks. What they have no faith in is themselves.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Uh....

Why the hell is the US government involved in mandating MPG?

because US dependence on foreign oil means the terrorist win.

I don't suppose an option would be to use our own oil?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: OCguy
So if the government owns the car companies, and they dont comply, do they fine themselves?

they dont own ford, Ford did not take a pay out.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: NeoV
the anti-gw crowd is now the anti-good gas mileage crowd

I suppose the answer to all of this is drill baby drill?

Pathetic.

This type of mandate should have taken place in the mid-70's, but better late than never.

Some of you need to realize that just because a stance is taken by one political party - that may not be your party of choice - it doesn't mean that idea or stance is a bad one. Some of you literally can't get past this basic point.

CAFE is a failed regulation. If you want higher mpg vehicles, just tax gas and automakers and public will make change. However lawmakers play games with cafe so that costs are passed on the consumer as hidden as possible.

The high gas prices of the last couple of years put more fuel economy tech in cars than decades of cafe regulation and games.

Did a conservative just advocate higher taxes? :Q (i agree w/ you btw, i love higher taxes on gasoline)

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam


We talk here mostly to imbecilic young men who were born in an age of chemical hormone equivalents that have left them emasculated and for whom 6000 pounds of iron are substitute dicks. What they have no faith in is themselves.

wow lol, thats some good old fashion hate speech there

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: techs
As long as Ford had energy's bitch in the White House it didn't do nearly enough to develop fuel effecient cars, the same as GM didn't.

So becuase it hasnt happened fast enough by your own standards, that disqualifies their efforts?

I see Ford making a serious effort to move into energy efficient cars/hybrids/etc. The pace may be too slow for you, but considering the economic conditions now, I for one am pleased with Ford's ability to continue there efforts all without relying on bailouts.

While I think GM is in shambles and having to take bailout money was rediculous, even they have been working the Volt program for quite sometime, it didnt just appear in reaction to their current situation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: trooper11

Originally posted by: Moonbeam


We talk here mostly to imbecilic young men who were born in an age of chemical hormone equivalents that have left them emasculated and for whom 6000 pounds of iron are substitute dicks. What they have no faith in is themselves.

wow lol, thats some good old fashion hate speech there

NO! It's called self awareness. I steer a Cadillac.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I would say that it is about time. Our engineers are more than capable of meeting this mandate.

I agree, let's begin by cutting weight off the chassis. Screw vehicle safety, that metal cage needs to go and be no thicker than a soda can. That'll save you some mpg, just don't crash into anything or you?ll be a smear mark.

Who cares if more people die every year on the roads? We?re SAVING THE PLANET MAN. This is all about personal sacrifice; put your blood into it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Uh....

Why the hell is the US government involved in mandating MPG?

The Bill of Rights was abolished, they're allowed to control anything and everything.

 

[trooper11]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

NO! It's called self awareness. I steer a Cadillac.

ok...not quite sure what you mean by that, but good for you lol.


the point is, once we start demonizing people the cars they choose to buy, thats when things have gone too far.

 

[frostedflakes]

Still don't understand why people are so against this. As mentioned 35MPG is the same standard set by the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which updated CAFE standards for the first time in a long time. It sounds like the deadline is simply being moved up slightly. Don't forget that the Energy Independence and Security Act received broad bipartisan support in Congress and was then signed into law by President Bush. It also seems like the automakers are supportive of this new requirement, as it's better than the alternatives that California and other states were seeking.