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Even Honda's little Fit is a 2600lb car with all the safety equipment it has, I cannot see a gasoline engine pushing a 2600lb car and getting 42mpg. Especially since the EPA rates are based in traffic conditions and all accessories and AC running. He might as well come out and say everything has to be a hybrid if that 42mpg rumor is true, I think 42mpg sounds far fetched rumor though, lets wait and see the real number.
But maybe this administration figured out a way to *Change* the energy content of Gasoline
But maybe this administration figured out a way to *Change* the energy content of Gasoline
retrospooty
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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Even Honda's little Fit is a 2600lb car with all the safety equipment it has, I cannot see a gasoline engine pushing a 2600lb car and getting 42mpg. Especially since the EPA rates are based in traffic conditions and all accessories and AC running. He might as well come out and say everything has to be a hybrid if that 42mpg rumor is true, I think 42mpg sounds far fetched rumor though, lets wait and see the real number.
But maybe this administration figured out a way to *Change* the energy content of Gasoline
Its called technological improvements. The car companies and thier bed buddies big oil have been sitting on it for decades. Here is a small taste... more to come http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15153
Take that type of technology, improve upon it and there you go. 42mpg easy. Even more if it were hybridized.
Great move by Obama
retrospooty
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Ugh... you're either joking, paranoid, or a total moron. Cars will never go away in America and no-one is wanting them too. Certainly not our govt. that is in bed with Big Oil.
I dont know what hybrids you are looking at, but I just bought a brand new Honda Civic hybrid for 21k including the 10 year 100k mile warranty. I drove my 40 miles to work today and got 53mpg for the one trip, of course traffic was perfect. I am averaging about 46 mpg.
retrospooty
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If you had a decent idea, and could make a decent car with good mileage, it would sell like crazy - especially without the big 3's union issues to pay for. That is if the big 3 would allow it.
The reason new companies haven't popped up inthe US over the past 30-40 years is because of the big 3, not the economy or the govt. They either buy them out early, or snuff them with higher paid lawyers before they get anywhere. The big 3 have owned the industry and locked anyone else out. The only chance anyone else had was to do it in other countries.
Vic
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A realistic goal with today's technology. While the present downturn w/govt bailouts provides the right opportunity for the automakers to retool away from using yesterday's technology, as they've been doing for far too long.
Look, I've said it before, I'll say it again: if you don't want govt mandates, don't take govt money. TANSTAAFL.
Look, I've said it before, I'll say it again: if you don't want govt mandates, don't take govt money. TANSTAAFL.
It is a very short sighted goal and I don't believe Obama has a degree in engineering. How does he know 42mpg is doable and why would a politician dictate on how consumer products is going to work if ti is not their field of experty? People are pushing for hybrid but it got its share of problem like the batteries which could prove to be even more polluting than the so call greenhouse gas. For those who dis suv saying it is a waste of gas. Think of it this way. You got a 6 family members household and a normal sedan is not going to be big enough, so the choice is either 2 sedan or one suv. I don;t know about you but having oen suv on the street surely as hell beat 2 sedan on the street, either in term of traffic or gas usage.
MovingTarget
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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Even Honda's little Fit is a 2600lb car with all the safety equipment it has, I cannot see a gasoline engine pushing a 2600lb car and getting 42mpg. Especially since the EPA rates are based in traffic conditions and all accessories and AC running. He might as well come out and say everything has to be a hybrid if that 42mpg rumor is true, I think 42mpg sounds far fetched rumor though, lets wait and see the real number.
But maybe this administration figured out a way to *Change* the energy content of Gasoline
Its called technological improvements. The car companies and thier bed buddies big oil have been sitting on it for decades. Here is a small taste... more to come http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15153
Take that type of technology, improve upon it and there you go. 42mpg easy. Even more if it were hybridized.
Great move by Obama
That car is only going to get like 25mpg, no where near 42. You are only got to get to 42 with hybrids. The price of new car just went up several thousand...
The government owns the auto indunstry right, they no longer have a say in the matter. This is not going to turn out well.
You think the government has better long-term vision than individuals or companies? The mess that GM et al. are in now is nothing compared to the hole the government has dug for itself and us.
retrospooty
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If if if? What do you want from me? It wasnt the govt, or the unions that stopped it all along. It was the big 3.
You might want to look at the government requires you put on auto before you say that. ANd labor is a factor as well too.
retrospooty
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Even Honda's little Fit is a 2600lb car with all the safety equipment it has, I cannot see a gasoline engine pushing a 2600lb car and getting 42mpg. Especially since the EPA rates are based in traffic conditions and all accessories and AC running. He might as well come out and say everything has to be a hybrid if that 42mpg rumor is true, I think 42mpg sounds far fetched rumor though, lets wait and see the real number.
But maybe this administration figured out a way to *Change* the energy content of Gasoline
Its called technological improvements. The car companies and thier bed buddies big oil have been sitting on it for decades. Here is a small taste... more to come http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15153
Take that type of technology, improve upon it and there you go. 42mpg easy. Even more if it were hybridized.
Great move by Obama
That car is only going to get like 25mpg, no where near 42. You are only got to get to 42 with hybrids. The price of new car just went up several thousand...
Read again, I said technology LIKE that, and further iterations of that, and or other similar improvements. That particular model gave V8 power from a V6, and improved efficiency 10-20% over standard engines. take that a few steps further, put it in a 4 and 6 cyl models and we are there. Car companies have been sitting on their asses, and I am glad for the requirement. .
retrospooty
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2 different posts from you replying to me and you didnt bother to read or understand either of them.
What I was saying is that the big 3 are the ones that have stopped any smaller upstarts in the USA for the past 30-40 years. They stifle them outr before they have a chance. It's not the govt or the unions. W
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