Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[MongGrel]

Each and every time someone uses the Native American example to argue against not doing Open Borders/quasi-Open Borders, it evokes scream laughs from the rest of us. Think long and hard on why using that as an example is so f*cking stupid...

I'm still waiting on you to tell me who us is....

 

[Moonbeam]

All I know is that when Obama spoke on his intentions for immigration I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Republican assholes had exploded voicing suddenly cries of terror and paroxysms of rage. I fear something funny has happened."

 

[compuwiz1]

Moonie, all I felt happen was a hand over to who ever the next Republican candidate wins the presidency in 2016. In other words...the man done fucked up. True sign that liberalism has failed. Now we can go on to elect the next ass hat in chief.
#CBD
#LBD
#DINO
#RINO

No matter the party, we're on the receiving end of shit!

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonie, all I felt happen was a hand over to who ever the next Republican candidate wins the presidency in 2016. In other words...the man done fucked up. True sign that liberalism has failed. Now we can go on to elect the next ass hat in chief.
#CBD
#LBD
#DINO
#RINO

No matter the party, we're on the receiving end of shit!

The exact end we would be on if we hate ourselves. We stay this way because we think something out there failed and the fix is out there. What fails is our lack of self understanding. Without that we are sleep walking machines that run on a program we don't see. We do not know what we feel and what we feel governs everything.

 

[fskimospy]

Sometimes I really wonder if you're actually that stupid or merely stupid enough to believe we're that stupid. Obama is blatantly doing the opposite of the law, and your "solution" is for Republicans to pass another law. Obama has by his own words set himself up as Emperor. Laws are thus immaterial, except to the extent (if any) he is reigned in by SCOTUS. He has four solid votes for pretty much anything he wants to do; ergo his power is limited only by the will of Anthony Kennedy. Another law would do exactly nothing - you're merely parroting his talking point that if the Republicans don't like him doing the opposite of the law, then they should pass a law in line with what he is doing.

As I mentioned before I think your problem is primarily a combination of ignorance and pride.

Here you're saying that Obama is blatantly doing the opposite of the law. If that's the case, please link me to a legal argument that explains exactly what law you think he is disregarding and how. If you would like, I can link you a series of legal analyses from both liberal and conservative legal scholars that say he is well within his powers here.

I guess they must all be "stupid" like me, huh?

 

[Moonbeam]

Willful ignorance looks like stupidity and is what some of us would call stupidity, but it is a stupidity that is possible even with good intellect. It is simply the application of intellect to the task of denying what one does not want to feel and in denial one can find brilliance.

Liberal thinking is possible only when one is liberal of spirit, when one feels rich inwardly and wants others to feel that way too. When one is poor in spirit, besieged by fear doubt and uncertainty, when one is emotionally wanting, consciously or not, the spirit become mean. The world is seen as a dog eat dog place where one must fight to the death over turf. One huge area of poverty and lack that causes unending misery is the state of ignorance of the American people. They have been trained to want like machines, to feel better when they have more than others, to buy and bully their way to happiness. Sad little programmed machines.......

 

[theeedude]

If Obama is breaking the law, GOP should impeach him. If they aren't impeaching him, that means he has the good housekeeping seal from them.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Let's not overlook the possibilities here, the chance for vigorous and creative entrepreneurship. Certainly, the ramifications of deporting a whole lot of parents of children is daunting, but surely there is a way for private enterprise to create value, to monetize the resources of vast numbers of parentless children.

Recent experiments in privately owned juvenile detention centers might well provide a viable business model! Little hands need to be kept busy, this is common sense, and the advantages in early preparation for the labor market are clear. Surely we don't want to raise a generation of moochers dependent upon the "nanny state"! We already have long-standing traditions of employment in agriculture for such people, though it is hindered by poor messaging. "Stoop labor" becomes "earth oriented", for instance. "Child labor" becomes "pre-adult work training", "juvenile detention" to "youth opportunity centers"...

 

[Moonbeam]

Let's not overlook the possibilities here, the chance for vigorous and creative entrepreneurship. Certainly, the ramifications of deporting a whole lot of parents of children is daunting, but surely there is a way for private enterprise to create value, to monetize the resources of vast numbers of parentless children.

Recent experiments in privately owned juvenile detention centers might well provide a viable business model! Little hands need to be kept busy, this is common sense, and the advantages in early preparation for the labor market are clear. Surely we don't want to raise a generation of moochers dependent upon the "nanny state"! We already have long-standing traditions of employment in agriculture for such people, though it is hindered by poor messaging. "Stoop labor" becomes "earth oriented", for instance. "Child labor" becomes "pre-adult work training", "juvenile detention" to "youth opportunity centers"...

Nice, and all one needs to implement them is a complete lack of organic shame. And all it takes to get that is people so ashamed of themselves they will never allow themselves to feel it.

 

[michal1980]

As I mentioned before I think your problem is primarily a combination of ignorance and pride.

Here you're saying that Obama is blatantly doing the opposite of the law. If that's the case, please link me to a legal argument that explains exactly what law you think he is disregarding and how. If you would like, I can link you a series of legal analyses from both liberal and conservative legal scholars that say he is well within his powers here.

I guess they must all be "stupid" like me, huh?

So is Obama a liar, idiot or emperor?

With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed — and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws

Well, I think it is important to remind everybody that, as I said I think previously, and I’m not a king. I am the head of the executive branch of government. I’m required to follow the law

Well, look Jackie, this is something I’ve struggled with throughout my presidency. The problem is that you know I’m the president of the United States. I’m not the emperor of the United States. My job is to execute laws that are passed, and Congress right now has not changed what I consider to be a broken immigration system.

Here’s the problem that I have, Jose, and I have said this consistently. My job in the executive branch is to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said, here’s the law when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they allocate a whole bunch of money for enforcement. What I have been able to do is make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources we have, we can’t do everything that Congress has asked us to do, what we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act folks….But if we start broadening that, then essentially, I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that’s not an option

all Obama quotes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...sing-executive-action-on-illegal-immigration/

 

[Matt1970]

Let's not overlook the possibilities here, the chance for vigorous and creative entrepreneurship. Certainly, the ramifications of deporting a whole lot of parents of children is daunting, but surely there is a way for private enterprise to create value, to monetize the resources of vast numbers of parentless children.

Recent experiments in privately owned juvenile detention centers might well provide a viable business model! Little hands need to be kept busy, this is common sense, and the advantages in early preparation for the labor market are clear. Surely we don't want to raise a generation of moochers dependent upon the "nanny state"! We already have long-standing traditions of employment in agriculture for such people, though it is hindered by poor messaging. "Stoop labor" becomes "earth oriented", for instance. "Child labor" becomes "pre-adult work training", "juvenile detention" to "youth opportunity centers"...

Might as well. They will be competing for our jobs once they are old enough.

 

[Moonbeam]

Might as well. They will be competing for our jobs once they are old enough.

But as almost every successful Republican businessman knows, the best man always wins. Who is it that implies that immigrants are inferior to real Americans. The only competition you can win at is one stacked in your favor. Why else the fear. A few years of real competition with foreigners and Americans would be screaming for unions and a livable wage. You folk are so so internally blind to the inconsistent absurdity of your opinions.

 

[Vic]

Might as well. They will be competing for our jobs once they are old enough.

I don't worry about that, because I'm not a whiny loser.

 

[IronWing]

So is Obama a liar, idiot or emperor?

all Obama quotes.

Right. Now show us where Obama has broken a law with respect to immigration.

 

[theeedude]

Since there is no impeachment even being considered, I can only assume that even GOP doesn't think that whatever Obama is doing rises to the level of lying about a BJ.
Kind of puts their cries of emperor, law breaker, etc in perspective.

 

[michal1980]

Right. Now show us where Obama has broken a law with respect to immigration.

are you going to answer the question? Or just deflect.

Was Obama lying? Is he an idiot? Or an emperor?

All based on things he said.

 

[michal1980]

Since there is no impeachment even being considered, I can only assume that even GOP doesn't think that whatever Obama is doing rises to the level of lying about a BJ.
Kind of puts their cries of emperor, law breaker, etc in perspective.

You do realize they are using Obama's words

 

[brycejones]

You do realize they are using Obama's words

What's your point sonny?

 

[ivwshane]

What's your point sonny?

His point is that he believes, unconditionally,what any democrat politician tells him and that context is a foreign concept to him.

In summary, he's not much of a thinker

 

[theeedude]

You can't have it both ways. If Obama is breaking the law or violating the Constitution, GOP should impeach. Put up or shut up.

 

[IronWing]

are you going to answer the question? Or just deflect.

Was Obama lying? Is he an idiot? Or an emperor?

All based on things he said.

Again, show us where Obama broke the law with respect to immigration.

...it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

 

[bradley]

You can't have it both ways. If Obama is breaking the law or violating the Constitution, GOP should impeach. Put up or shut up.

For impeachment to work, House Republicans would need to gather 218 votes the Senate 67 votes; it’s not happening.

Congress could, however, simply overturn parts of any Executive Order or entirely refuse to fund them. Especially for those EOs which are unconstitutional, Congress can repeal or terminate the given authority.

In fact, Congress did repeal George W. Bush’s EO 12806 which concerned fetal tissue research. The Senate simply proclaimed that the EO provisions wouldn't have any legal effect and therefore it was terminated. They would have the same authority here.

Considering how few times Congress has repealed unconstitutional EOs makes them complicit in my view. In this case, Dems want voters and Repubs want slave wages.

 

[theeedude]

You only need 218 votes to impeach. House hasn't done that.

 

[werepossum]

I'm part Lenape, everyone get out of my country right now.

How about if you have no Native American heritage at all get the fuck out of here

I'm just saying....

So, how did unrestrained immigration work out for your Lenape ancestors? Think it was an experience they'd recommend?

As I mentioned before I think your problem is primarily a combination of ignorance and pride.

Here you're saying that Obama is blatantly doing the opposite of the law. If that's the case, please link me to a legal argument that explains exactly what law you think he is disregarding and how. If you would like, I can link you a series of legal analyses from both liberal and conservative legal scholars that say he is well within his powers here.

I guess they must all be "stupid" like me, huh?

Obama spent six years looking for a way to do this and failed, as he himself explained many times. W spent two years looking for the same authority.

Since there is no impeachment even being considered, I can only assume that even GOP doesn't think that whatever Obama is doing rises to the level of lying about a BJ.
Kind of puts their cries of emperor, law breaker, etc in perspective.

Um, no. Republicans simply know that impeachment is a losing proposition politically, as the Dems will stick together no matter what Obama does and the media will immediately focus on those horrible Republicans being mean to our wonderful President for absolutely no reason.

 

[werepossum]

For impeachment to work, House Republicans would need to gather 218 votes the Senate 67 votes; it’s not happening.

Congress could, however, simply overturn parts of any Executive Order or entirely refuse to fund them. Especially for those EOs which are unconstitutional, Congress can repeal or terminate the given authority.

In fact, Congress did repeal George W. Bush’s EO 12806 which concerned fetal tissue research. The Senate simply proclaimed that the EO provisions wouldn't have any legal effect and therefore it was terminated. They would have the same authority here.

Considering how few times Congress has repealed unconstitutional EOs makes them complicit in my view. In this case, Dems want voters and Repubs want slave wages.

Except for those illegals doing maid and nanny service jobs - something both parties' elites want - illegals don't usually work for slave wages. Remember, the Mexican nations here send home enough money to represent Mexico's first or second largest income source. That isn't accomplished with slave wages. Both parties want the votes AND the cheaper labor.

And it's not just this issue, both parties also want to preserve the increased power for when it's their turn at the top.