Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[Moonbeam]

So, how did unrestrained immigration work out for your Lenape ancestors? Think it was an experience they'd recommend?


Obama spent six years looking for a way to do this and failed, as he himself explained many times. W spent two years looking for the same authority.


Um, no. Republicans simply know that impeachment is a losing proposition politically, as the Dems will stick together no matter what Obama does and the media will immediately focus on those horrible Republicans being mean to our wonderful President for absolutely no reason.

Except for those illegals doing maid and nanny service jobs - something both parties' elites want - illegals don't usually work for slave wages. Remember, the Mexican nations here send home enough money to represent Mexico's first or second largest income source. That isn't accomplished with slave wages. Both parties want the votes AND the cheaper labor.

And it's not just this issue, both parties also want to preserve the increased power for when it's their turn at the top.

You need to get some rest.

 

[michal1980]

What's your point sonny?

His point is that he believes, unconditionally,what any democrat politician tells him and that context is a foreign concept to him.

In summary, he's not much of a thinker

Again, show us where Obama broke the law with respect to immigration.

Still waiting for someone on the left to define what Obama was saying before.

Why is it so hard for you guys?

 

[fskimospy]

So, how did unrestrained immigration work out for your Lenape ancestors? Think it was an experience they'd recommend?


Obama spent six years looking for a way to do this and failed, as he himself explained many times. W spent two years looking for the same authority.


Um, no. Republicans simply know that impeachment is a losing proposition politically, as the Dems will stick together no matter what Obama does and the media will immediately focus on those horrible Republicans being mean to our wonderful President for absolutely no reason.

Still waiting for what law.

 

[Fern]

Still waiting for what law.

Without bothering to read up on immigration law, I'd say it was the law that kept them from having Green Cards/work visa for these so many years.

And what law as Obama referring to when he previously said he didn't have the authority to do what he's now doing etc.?

Fern

 

[Pneumothorax]

Since there is no impeachment even being considered, I can only assume that even GOP doesn't think that whatever Obama is doing rises to the level of lying about a BJ.
Kind of puts their cries of emperor, law breaker, etc in perspective.

So tell me which 13+ Democrat Senators are going to vote along to get the 2/3rds required to get impeachment? Those Senators would exonerate Obama no matter how heinous the crime.

 

[Fern]

If Obama is breaking the law, GOP should impeach him. If they aren't impeaching him, that means he has the good housekeeping seal from them.

No. It means Joe Biden is next in line and the GOP knows that. They've said as much.

Fern

 

[bradley]

How to Rebuke a President
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/how-rebuke-president_819709.html

For responding to a president who defies his constitutional limits, Congress is said to possess four powers: to impeach, to defund, to investigate, and to withhold confirmation of nominees.

But there is a fifth recourse, which the new Republican Congress might consider in view of President Obama’s executive amnesty for illegal immigrants: the power to censure. In fact, censure could work in tandem with Congress’s other powers, helping the legislature make the moral case for responding to the president’s lawlessness.

Presidential censure is a rare occurrence. Most notably, in 1834, the Whig-controlled Senate censured President Andrew Jackson, a Democrat, for moving federal deposits from the Second Bank of the United States to local banks, derisively called his “pets” because most were operated by loyal Democrats.

 

[chucky2]

You would still have to permanently waive posse comitatus and repeal the 14th by the amendment process. Removing the restrictions from deploying the US military against the American populace is probably not a wise move. I even recall defending Bush of all people for not sending in the Army to New Orleans in the Katrina aftermath because it violates the law and is a terrible terrible idea in the first place.

Yes, it'd take another amendment, I said as much in #2. This is not deploying the US military against the American populace but rather against illegal invaders in a predefined and public illegal invasion zone(s) (albeit long, but that's what it takes). These people are not going to stop regardless of the laws we pass, the temptation and their circumstances are too great. Of course, that is not our problem, except they are making it our problem. We have decades worth of real world evidence that asking nicely, asking sternly, and treating with kid gloves doesn't work. Passing more laws where the internal bennies will get handed out to the max (for all those votes) and where no real lockdown of the porous border happens (which is the root of the problem) is simply a non-starter as far as fixing the problem. We know what will happen: Exactly what has been happening since Amnesty 1.0. Of course, the Politicians know this....

 

[chucky2]

Anyone who even utters the word sheeple is immediately not worth listening to after that point.

My brain automatically turns them off I think.

I guess by your next post it didn't turn off completely. Anyways, I'm sorry if sheeple is a problem for you. Unfortunately it's a problem for the country as whole and it really is getting worse. Apathy and Political Correctness allows the rot in the country to continue.

Who is the us you refer to ?

There is a group of us I'm not privy to ?

This group of Us is basically any non-White Guilter/Bleeding Heart person who can exercise more than a couple of brain cells when critically looking at our current illegal invasion problem and what you were referencing and draw parallels between them. If I put up a B-52 picture will that allow you to grasp the concept or does it take something else for you to see why using an example of a people ruined by unchecked immigration really wouldn't be a good idea to push forth in arguing for the continuance and expansion of our present decades long illegal invasion?

Both of my Grandmothers were German, one was a 1/4 Lenape and one Grandfather was English and the other Welsh.

Some of your ancestors are doing massive facepalms right now...

Tell me who us is.

See above.

Think long and hard over making stupid comments.

Fortunately for me I don't generally make stupid comments, my problem is replying to them. Entertainment always has a cost...

 

[fskimospy]

Without bothering to read up on immigration law, I'd say it was the law that kept them from having Green Cards/work visa for these so many years.

And what law as Obama referring to when he previously said he didn't have the authority to do what he's now doing etc.?

Fern

He never said he didn't have the authority to do what he's doing now. I've found that the people who say that don't usually know what Obama is actually doing.

You'll find if you read up on immigration law that there's no law he's violating here. This is pretty much agreed upon by legal analysts across the entire ideological spectrum. The president has vast discretion when it comes to deferring immigration prosecution and granting various other statuses, as given to him by Congress.

 

[Moonbeam]

He never said he didn't have the authority to do what he's doing now. I've found that the people who say that don't usually know what Obama is actually doing.

You'll find if you read up on immigration law that there's no law he's violating here. This is pretty much agreed upon by legal analysts across the entire ideological spectrum. The president has vast discretion when it comes to deferring immigration prosecution and granting various other statuses, as given to him by Congress.

I saw it suggested that the laws are so arcane that Obama may not have been properly been informed of full dis resign until recently

 

[fskimospy]

I saw it suggested that the laws are so arcane that Obama may not have been properly been informed of full dis resign until recently

Here's a good read on it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../11/20/obama-immigration-and-the-rule-of-law/

Opponents of President Obama’s recently announced plan to defer the deportation of up to 5 million undocumented immigrants argue that it undermines the rule of law. After all, they contend, the president is required to enforce federal law as written, not pick and choose which violators to go after and which to exempt. But, in reality, all modern presidents inevitably make policy choices about which violations of federal law to prosecute. Obama’s decision to defer deportation is in line with those of past presidents, and well within the scope of his authority.

This comes from the Volokh Conspiracy, hardly a liberal legal analysis site, and a site that has claimed a number of Obama's other executive actions are illegal.

 

[michal1980]

He never said he didn't have the authority to do what he's doing now. I've found that the people who say that don't usually know what Obama is actually doing.

You'll find if you read up on immigration law that there's no law he's violating here. This is pretty much agreed upon by legal analysts across the entire ideological spectrum. The president has vast discretion when it comes to deferring immigration prosecution and granting various other statuses, as given to him by Congress.

Obama

Here’s the problem that I have, Jose, and I have said this consistently. My job in the executive branch is to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said, here’s the law when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they allocate a whole bunch of money for enforcement. What I have been able to do is make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources we have, we can’t do everything that Congress has asked us to do, what we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act folks….But if we start broadening that, then essentially, I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that’s not an option

 

[fskimospy]

Obama

Yeah that's still not saying he can't do this. You're basically taking a super vague statement about what he can and can't do and deciding that he meant whatever you wanted him to mean.

 

[Texashiker]

You'll find if you read up on immigration law that there's no law he's violating here.

Really?

Are you serious?

obama is not upholding the law. Any other time that would aiding and abetting.

That sorry scum bag of a president does not have the right to be treated differently than anyone else. If you provide aid to a criminal, you need to be thrown in jail

 

[fskimospy]

Really?

Are you serious?

obama is not upholding the law. Any other time that would aiding and abetting.

I provided a link so you could educate yourself. Why not try using it?

 

[Texashiker]

I provided a link so you could educate yourself. Why not try using it?

Do you ever get tired of excusing that sorry of an excuse of a president?

If you provide aid to a criminal, you deserve to go to jail. Period, end of story. Providing aid to a criminal is in itself a crime.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you ever get tired of excusing that sorry of an excuse of a president?

If you provide aid to a criminal, you deserve to go to jail. Period, end of story. Providing aid to a criminal is in itself a crime.

I'll take that as a no.

 

[Texashiker]

I'll take that as a no.

Aiding and abetting a criminal is not a crime?

 

[theeedude]

Um, no. Republicans simply know that impeachment is a losing proposition politically, as the Dems will stick together no matter what Obama does and the media will immediately focus on those horrible Republicans being mean to our wonderful President for absolutely no reason.

If Obama is so bad, why is it a losing proposition? Surely if Obama is such a law-breaker and emperor, the American people will support his impeachment.

 

[Texashiker]

If Obama is so bad, why is it a losing proposition? Surely if Obama is such a law-breaker and emperor, the American people will support his impeachment.

Do we "really" want biden as president?

By the time impeachment is done the 2016 elections will be here.

Let obama serve the rest of his term, and let history record how bad of a president he is.

 

[fskimospy]

Aiding and abetting a criminal is not a crime?

Are you capable of opening my link and reading? If so, why have you not done so? I will not answer any questions of yours until you answer those two.

 

[Texashiker]

Are you capable of opening my link and reading? If so, why have you not done so? I will not answer any questions of yours until you answer those two.

You talking about your obama policies are within what other presidents have done?

If obama is not going to enforce the law, why is he in office? Just leave already and let someone else do the job.

This is not only about enforcing the law, this is also providing aid to criminals. How many presidents gave food, healthcare, other governments to criminals?

Those people who are here illegally are criminals. Providing aid to a criminal is aiding and abetting.

 

[Jaskalas]

Do we "really" want biden as president?

By the time impeachment is done the 2016 elections will be here.

Let obama serve the rest of his term, and let history record how bad of a president he is.

Que se escribe en español.

 

[fskimospy]

You talking about your obama policies are within what other presidents have done?

If obama is not going to enforce the law, why is he in office? Just leave already and let someone else do the job.

This is not only about enforcing the law, this is also providing aid to criminals. How many presidents gave food, healthcare, other governments to criminals?

Those people who are here illegally are criminals. Providing aid to a criminal is aiding and abetting.

You haven't done what I asked. Since you are quoting my post, presumably you read it.

If you want me to answer you have reading to do. I'm sorry it has to be this way but your history here makes this necessary.