Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[shortylickens]

Que se escribe en español.

Senor obama es hombre loco.

 

[Moonbeam]

You talking about your obama policies are within what other presidents have done?

If obama is not going to enforce the law, why is he in office? Just leave already and let someone else do the job.

This is not only about enforcing the law, this is also providing aid to criminals. How many presidents gave food, healthcare, other governments to criminals?

Those people who are here illegally are criminals. Providing aid to a criminal is aiding and abetting.

You are an American. Americans are the greatest people on earth. You are an idiot. Therefore you are not a real American. You must be an illegal and must leave. Anybody who thinks you have a right to live here is a criminal so anybody who thinks you have a right to be here, yourself, for example, is a criminal. Any criminal who calls somebody else a criminal is full of shit. Criminals have criminal opinions. You are not entitled to an opinion. Please be so good as to delete your posts.

 

[michal1980]

Yeah that's still not saying he can't do this. You're basically taking a super vague statement about what he can and can't do and deciding that he meant whatever you wanted him to mean.

nice divert.

That statement wasn't super vague. Unless of course your a super partisan Obama supporter.

And its not like he didn't make a similar statement time and time again.

 

[theeedude]

Do we "really" want biden as president?

By the time impeachment is done the 2016 elections will be here.

Let obama serve the rest of his term, and let history record how bad of a president he is.

Such "principled" position.

 

[Texashiker]

You are an American. Americans are the greatest people on earth. You are an idiot. Therefore you are not a real American. You must be an illegal and must leave.

Anybody who thinks you have a right to live here is a criminal so anybody who thinks you have a right to be here, yourself, for example, is a criminal.

Any criminal who calls somebody else a criminal is full of shit. Criminals have criminal opinions. You are not entitled to an opinion. Please be so good as to delete your posts.

Moonie as much as I love you and would go on a man-date with you, you are wrong.

I do not "think" I have a right to live here, I "do" have a right to live here.

As much as you liberals hate laws, we are a nation of laws. Without law and order there would be anarchy.

Send me your address and I will run an ad on craigs list saying you will take care of illegals. If liberals want to welcome the illegals with open arms, lets start by opening your house to them.

 

[ivwshane]

Moonie as much as I love you and would go on a man-date with you, you are wrong.

I do not "think" I have a right to live here, I "do" have a right to live here.

As much as you liberals hate laws, we are a nation of laws. Without law and order there would be anarchy.

Send me your address and I will run an ad on craigs list saying you will take care of illegals. If liberals want to welcome the illegals with open arms, lets start by opening your house to them.

Except when the law gets in the way of people you support, then the law can be ignored, right?

You are a garbage piece of shit hypocrite, I only hope that all the hate you have for your fellow man gets turned on you in the most ironic way

What bundy did was a victimless crime.

I simply oppose prosecuting someone when there is no victim.

<loud voice>

Bring forth the victim!!!!!

</loud voice>

 

[Zorkorist]

Willful ignorance looks like stupidity and is what some of us would call stupidity, but it is a stupidity that is possible even with good intellect. It is simply the application of intellect to the task of denying what one does not want to feel and in denial one can find brilliance.

Liberal thinking is possible only when one is liberal of spirit, when one feels rich inwardly and wants others to feel that way too. When one is poor in spirit, besieged by fear doubt and uncertainty, when one is emotionally wanting, consciously or not, the spirit become mean. The world is seen as a dog eat dog place where one must fight to the death over turf. One huge area of poverty and lack that causes unending misery is the state of ignorance of the American people. They have been trained to want like machines, to feel better when they have more than others, to buy and bully their way to happiness. Sad little programmed machines.......

Communism, Socialism, have been done Moonbeam, as I guess you know. They don't work. Because, believe it or not, I'll be cooler, and less caring than you, if I know I can sleep in a comfy bed, and eat three squares a day, while some one else does the work.

The problem is, nobody else does the work.

Silly! Right!?

-John

 

[ivwshane]

Communism, Socialism, have been done Moonbeam, as I guess you know. They don't work. Because, believe it or not, I'll be cooler, and less caring than you, if I know I can sleep in a comfy bed, and eat three squares a day, while some one else does the work.

The problem is, nobody else does the work.

Silly! Right!?

-John

Socialism doesn't work? It works about as good as capitalism does, that's to say it has it's faults and neither ideology could stand the test of time on their own.

 

[Zorkorist]

No, it doesn't work, ivwshane.

See Communism.

Antonym, Capitalism.

The two are not related at all.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

No, it doesn't work, ivwshane.

See Communism.

Antonym, Capitalism.

The two are not related at all.

-John

Communism is not the same as socialism. They may share similar traits but they are not the same.

 

[Zorkorist]

They are pretty much the same. They both advocate Government control of the individual, whereas Capitalism advocates for the individual.

-John

 

[Vic]

They are pretty much the same. They both advocate Government control of the individual, whereas Capitalism advocates for the individual.

-John

And where does strict government control over the individual's freedom of movement fit into your capitalist ideal?

 

[Zorkorist]

It doesn't.

Trick question?

-John

 

[Vic]

It doesn't.

Trick question?

-John

Oh good, I was concerned you might be anti immigration, because then your appeals to capitalist ideals like small government, freedom, and individuality would be horribly inconsistent.

 

[compuwiz1]

Oh good, I was concerned you might be anti immigration, because then your appeals to capitalist ideals like small government, freedom, and individuality would be horribly inconsistent.

Who's really anti immigration? Most of us love immigrants. Problem is the liberals don't seem to understand the word "illegal". It means someone comitted a crime. Why can't we all just going around comitting crimes with impunity then?

 

[werepossum]

If Obama is so bad, why is it a losing proposition? Surely if Obama is such a law-breaker and emperor, the American people will support his impeachment.

Maybe initially, but not after months of constant hammering on the evil Republicans. Maybe not even initially - the American people don't particularly like Republicans either. They just like that they aren't Obama.

Except when the law gets in the way of people you support, then the law can be ignored, right?

You are a garbage piece of shit hypocrite, I only hope that all the hate you have for your fellow man gets turned on you in the most ironic way

Have to admit I'm guilty of this as well. I supported Obama ignoring DOMA because I think it was a bad and un-Constitutional law. Same principle here, and having supported one such refusal to enforce the law, it's easy to see how such leeway leads to rule of man replacing rule of law.

 

[Texashiker]

Except when the law gets in the way of people you support, then the law can be ignored, right?

You are a garbage piece of shit hypocrite, I only hope that all the hate you have for your fellow man gets turned on you in the most ironic way

Are you implying illegal immigration is a victimless crime?

If you are, I respectfully disagree.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Last night I heard President Obama state that the US is a nation of laws and that they should be followed, why does he chose to circumvent immigration laws rather require people to enforce/follow them?

 

[fskimospy]

Last night I heard President Obama state that the US is a nation of laws and that they should be followed, why does he chose to circumvent immigration laws rather require people to enforce/follow them?

He is enforcing the law. Like I said before there is fairly little disagreement in the legal community, even among conservatives, that what he is doing is legal. Ie: not circumventing the law.

I linked a piece earlier from a conservative/libertarian law blog. This is a blog that has been highly critical of other assertions of executive authority by Obama, and they think the case here is obvious and well within his powers. Long story short, congress has previously granted the president vast powers in relation to immigration. You can argue they shouldn't have, but that's something very different.

Can you read it and tell me why you disagree?

 

[Texashiker]

Long story short, congress has previously granted the president vast powers in relation to immigration. You can argue they shouldn't have, but that's something very different.

Can you read it and tell me why you disagree?

Key words "vast powers", which no president is supposed to have.

This is a republic; our laws come from congress. A monarch has no place in our laws.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If Obama is so bad, why is it a losing proposition? Surely if Obama is such a law-breaker and emperor, the American people will support his impeachment.

In our very poor political system a President can only be held accountable for his actions if they reach the level of law breaking, and that needs to be very clearly done. The Republicans pander to their base because they know they don't like Obama and so they play the impeachment card every now and again. That is entirely different from being able to present a clear case from a legal perspective and so they talk a lot but don't do anything.

That does not mean that Obama has not become an awful President, which I believe has become the case, but we don't have any means to address that effectively.

 

[michal1980]

In our very poor political system a President can only be held accountable for his actions if they reach the level of law breaking, and that needs to be very clearly done. The Republicans pander to their base because they know they don't like Obama and so they play the impeachment card every now and again. That is entirely different from being able to present a clear case from a legal perspective and so they talk a lot but don't do anything.

That does not mean that Obama has not become an awful President, which I believe has become the case, but we don't have any means to address that effectively.

This action by Obama is nothing more then a political move.

First to pander to his base. Second to spit in the fact of the republicans.

 

[fskimospy]

Key words "vast powers", which no president is supposed to have.

This is a republic; our laws come from congress. A monarch has no place in our laws.

Haha. A new level of stupidity. "The law that congress passed that gave Obama vast powers is wrong because congress is supposed to make the laws."

How's your reading coming?

 

[Texashiker]

Haha. A new level of stupidity. "The law that congress passed that gave Obama vast powers is wrong because congress is supposed to make the laws."

How's your reading coming?

Hows our system of checks and balances working out?

It is not working.

 

[Jaskalas]

And where does strict government control over the individual's freedom of movement fit into your capitalist ideal?

It stops at the border, where the American people try to protect what they have. As we're not doing that, significant losses will be made in terms of wealth, jobs, cultural unity / identity, and voter integrity.

And as strain / poverty is added to the system, we can expect more social unrest and violence.