Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[First]

How many public fails must conservatives go through before conceding their arguments, on the merits, are just plain shitty? Does losing suits over Obama's executive powers vis-à-vis the NSA, suing to invalidate ACA mandate through SCOTUS or being universally repudiated by 99% of federal courts over gay marriage not get through? One wonders. Executive power WRT immigration seems like another slam dunk, but to be fair I haven't read enough on the issue to be more certain.

 

[ivwshane]

Are you implying illegal immigration is a victimless crime?

If you are, I respectfully disagree.

No you idiot I'm implying you are a hypocrite, a law is a law. You can't declare that we are a nation of laws in one thread and in another justify ignoring a law because it's victimless. Well you can but that's because you are a hypocrite.

It's also quite telling how your CBD prevented you from even acknowledging the point and instead latched onto something irrelevant to my point.

 

[michal1980]

No you idiot I'm implying you are a hypocrite, a law is a law. You can't declare that we are a nation of laws in one thread and in another justify ignoring a law because it's victimless. Well you can but that's because you are a hypocrite.

It's also quite telling how your CBD prevented you from even acknowledging the point and instead latched onto something irrelevant to my point.

thanks for calling Obama a hypocrite.

 

[ivwshane]

thanks for calling Obama a hypocrite.

It's not surprising that you can't read. You make texashikers posts look like that of genius compared to your factless, incoherent ramblings you call responses.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonie as much as I love you and would go on a man-date with you, you are wrong.

I do not "think" I have a right to live here, I "do" have a right to live here.

As much as you liberals hate laws, we are a nation of laws. Without law and order there would be anarchy.

Send me your address and I will run an ad on craigs list saying you will take care of illegals. If liberals want to welcome the illegals with open arms, lets start by opening your house to them.

See what a difficult situation you have brought on yourself. You are a criminal so you only have a right to live in jail. We can't let criminals wonder around free, right? Won't we have to treat criminals as criminals? You just can't escape your own logic.

 

[michal1980]

It's not surprising that you can't read. You make texashikers posts look like that of genius compared to your factless, incoherent ramblings you call responses.

I'm sorry you are so stupid that you do not know what you said.

 

[MongGrel]

I guess by your next post it didn't turn off completely. Anyways, I'm sorry if sheeple is a problem for you. Unfortunately it's a problem for the country as whole and it really is getting worse. Apathy and Political Correctness allows the rot in the country to continue.



This group of Us is basically any non-White Guilter/Bleeding Heart person who can exercise more than a couple of brain cells when critically looking at our current illegal invasion problem and what you were referencing and draw parallels between them. If I put up a B-52 picture will that allow you to grasp the concept or does it take something else for you to see why using an example of a people ruined by unchecked immigration really wouldn't be a good idea to push forth in arguing for the continuance and expansion of our present decades long illegal invasion?



Some of your ancestors are doing massive facepalms right now...



See above.



Fortunately for me I don't generally make stupid comments, my problem is replying to them. Entertainment always has a cost...

Nice try at any rate, the point was I've mentioned several times the issue was raised even when I was in Junior high school and we were playing basketball in the early 70s.

If it wasn't addressed then, at least it finally should be.

 

[MongGrel]

You talking about your obama policies are within what other presidents have done?

If obama is not going to enforce the law, why is he in office? Just leave already and let someone else do the job.

This is not only about enforcing the law, this is also providing aid to criminals. How many presidents gave food, healthcare, other governments to criminals?

Those people who are here illegally are criminals. Providing aid to a criminal is aiding and abetting.

Better start arresting everyone in the IRS for providing them a number to pay taxes with for years now then I suppose......

 

[werepossum]

How many public fails must conservatives go through before conceding their arguments, on the merits, are just plain shitty? Does losing suits over Obama's executive powers vis-à-vis the NSA, suing to invalidate ACA mandate through SCOTUS or being universally repudiated by 99% of federal courts over gay marriage not get through? One wonders. Executive power WRT immigration seems like another slam dunk, but to be fair I haven't read enough on the issue to be more certain.

So what (if any) additional laws should Obama have the power to ignore? If we have illegals in custody and release them, that isn't "prioritizing" any more than rioters in Ferguson are prioritizing which laws they will honor, it's simply breaking the law. Should Obama then have the power to decide that, say, Hewlett Packard has to abide by treaties but his buddy's General Electric does not? Should Obama have the power to dictate that Sharpton doesn't have to pay his back taxes because he has directed the IRS to "prioritize" enforcement against terrorists and conservative groups? Should Obama have the power to decide that selling weapons to drug cartels is acceptable as long as your dues (i.e. political contributions) are paid up, but still illegal to people not on his friends list?

We're not talking about deciding where to use scarce resources, we're talking about deciding that some groups are immune to some laws, to the point that government isn't just not actively hunting for them but is actively helping them break the law.

 

[fskimospy]

So what (if any) additional laws should Obama have the power to ignore? If we have illegals in custody and release them, that isn't "prioritizing" any more than rioters in Ferguson are prioritizing which laws they will honor, it's simply breaking the law. Should Obama then have the power to decide that, say, Hewlett Packard has to abide by treaties but his buddy's General Electric does not? Should Obama have the power to dictate that Sharpton doesn't have to pay his back taxes because he has directed the IRS to "prioritize" enforcement against terrorists and conservative groups? Should Obama have the power to decide that selling weapons to drug cartels is acceptable as long as your dues (i.e. political contributions) are paid up, but still illegal to people not on his friends list?

We're not talking about deciding where to use scarce resources, we're talking about deciding that some groups are immune to some laws, to the point that government isn't just not actively hunting for them but is actively helping them break the law.

Still waiting on your legal analysis?

Your argument seems to be "I'm really mad the law doesn't say what I think it should so I'm going to rant like a lunatic"

 

[werepossum]

Still waiting on your legal analysis?

Your argument seems to be "I'm really mad the law doesn't say what I think it should so I'm going to rant like a lunatic"

What would be the point? You've never read anything that didn't say exactly what you need it to say at the moment.

Obama actually released his justification, the internal report that concluded he had the power to do some of what he did but not the rest. (Apparently after years of denying he had the power, he learned this from the newspaper as well.) I'm sure you can find it if you wish. And you might want to start considering what power (if any) you feel Obama does not have. Or failing that, why Obama has the power to do the polar opposite of the law whenever the whim strikes him but shouldn't be called an emperor or a king. His words, not mine.

 

[fskimospy]

What would be the point? You've never read anything that didn't say exactly what you need it to say at the moment.

Obama actually released his justification, the internal report that concluded he had the power to do some of what he did but not the rest. (Apparently after years of denying he had the power, he learned this from the newspaper as well.) I'm sure you can find it if you wish. And you might want to start considering what power (if any) you feel Obama does not have. Or failing that, why Obama has the power to do the polar opposite of the law whenever the whim strikes him but shouldn't be called an emperor or a king. His words, not mine.

So in other words you're just repeating what I wrote. You don't care what the law is, you want to rant like a lunatic.

This is in no way surprising.

 

[Moonbeam]

So in other words you're just repeating what I wrote. You don't care what the law is, you want to rant like a lunatic.

This is in no way surprising.

He operates on the unconscious assumption that the truth feels right. He doesn't see that it feels right because it protects his ego. You are asking him to look at facts which would make it impossible for him to avoid unpleasant cognitive dissonance and so whatever it is you wish him to see wouldn't possible be right. He needs no facts. He knows emotionally what feels right.

 

[ivwshane]

He operates on the unconscious assumption that the truth feels right. He doesn't see that it feels right because it protects his ego. You are asking him to look at facts which would make it impossible for him to avoid unpleasant cognitive dissonance and so whatever it is you wish him to see wouldn't possible be right. He needs no facts. He knows emotionally what feels right.

I really wish you'd offer up solutions to reach these people. Obviously the solution shouldn't rely on them coming to any sort of realization because that will never happen.

 

[Newell Steamer]

LEGAL SCHOLARS: OBAMA'S IMMIGRATION ACTIONS LAWFUL

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IMMIGRATION_SCHOLARS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The 135 scholars focused on two major provisions of Obama's executive actions announced last week.

The scholars' statement asserts that the president's actions are a proper use of prosecutorial discretion.

135 legal scholars v. a dozen or so naysaying armchair expert 'realists' on these forums - my money is on the 135 legal scholars.

Oh, and the Associate Press isn't a reputable source of course,...

:sneaky:

 

[michal1980]

Obama once again talking:

“What you’re not paying attention to is the fact that I just took an action to change the law,” Obama said.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...klers-I-Just-Took-An-Action-To-Change-The-Law

But we all know that Obama is a liar, so what he says is not what he means.

 

[fskimospy]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IMMIGRATION_SCHOLARS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

135 legal scholars v. a dozen or so naysaying armchair expert 'realists' on these forums - my money is on the 135 legal scholars.

Oh, and the Associate Press isn't a reputable source of course,...

:sneaky:

Remember, according to werepossum that means all those people are stupid or evil. He KNOWS that Obama is breaking the law. It's what his gut tells him. If they are saying otherwise they are either stupid or conspiring to trick him.

There is no room for him to just have been wrong.

 

[Matt1970]

How many public fails must conservatives go through before conceding their arguments, on the merits, are just plain shitty? Does losing suits over Obama's executive powers vis-à-vis the NSA, suing to invalidate ACA mandate through SCOTUS or being universally repudiated by 99% of federal courts over gay marriage not get through? One wonders. Executive power WRT immigration seems like another slam dunk, but to be fair I haven't read enough on the issue to be more certain.

Ya, it's really the Conservatives that are out of line here. They aren't representing the wishes of the American people with their agenda and recent shenanigans. Stuff like that can cost you in elections. Oh wait.....

 

[ivwshane]

Ya, it's really the Conservatives that are out of line here. They aren't representing the wishes of the American people with their agenda and recent shenanigans. Stuff like that can cost you in elections. Oh wait.....

Hmm let's see, 20+ million voted for repubs in a handful of states versus the 62+ million people that voted for Obama in every state and you want to claim the repubs are representing the wishes of the American people? Sure guy!

 

[Matt1970]

Hmm let's see, 20+ million voted for repubs in a handful of states versus the 62+ million people that voted for Obama in every state and you want to claim the repubs are representing the wishes of the American people? Sure guy!

Hmm, lets see, let me compare midterm elections with the presidential elections to try and make a point. Fail.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ya, it's really the Conservatives that are out of line here. They aren't representing the wishes of the American people with their agenda and recent shenanigans. Stuff like that can cost you in elections. Oh wait.....

Heh. 2014 voter turnout was the lowest since 1942 & Repubs claim a mandate for a radical agenda. After much the same happened in 2010 & they gerrymandered their numerical disadvantage into an electoral advantage. They held the HOR in 2012 even though they got fewer votes than Dems.

Claims that they represent the will of the People are entirely illegitimate & their leadership knows it. That's why they discourage voting other than by people who've been deeply conditioned by 35 years of relentless agitprop. High voter turnout on a level playing field is their worst nightmare.

 

[Moonbeam]

Heh. 2014 voter turnout was the lowest since 1942 & Repubs claim a mandate for a radical agenda. After much the same happened in 2010 & they gerrymandered their numerical disadvantage into an electoral advantage. They held the HOR in 2012 even though they got fewer votes than Dems.

Claims that they represent the will of the People are entirely illegitimate & their leadership knows it. That's why they discourage voting other than by people who've been deeply conditioned by 35 years of relentless agitprop. High voter turnout on a level playing field is their worst nightmare.

Republicans know that if they block government action on social, economic, and employment problems and scream it's the liberals fault, nobody but psychopathic brainwashed fanatics will vote. Low voter turnout is the intention of their policies. They know what it takes to win, the country be damned. They know by projection that people won't face what fills them with distaste. Shit throwing apes win. Nobody but them can stand the smell.

 

[Moonbeam]

I really wish you'd offer up solutions to reach these people. Obviously the solution shouldn't rely on them coming to any sort of realization because that will never happen.

I offer solutions all the time, but there are none that appeal to the lLBD, the clinging to the hope that reason can win. If you are hell bent on going into the fire the only hope I can offer is to suggest that the path one is on leads nowhere. One has to embrace the hopelessness of the situation. It's the One Ring problem.

Do you use power to defeat evil and thereby become what you fear, a left wing authoritarian monsters, or do you let evil win. I suggest that the only solution there is is to leg go of the ring. Only you can be free. You can't save anybody else. And if you do let go that's one less person who is part of the problem. We are attached to the need for a solution and that is what binds us.

There is no hope. Only in a state of total surrender does the door that all our lives was pushed behind us reappear to the fore. Realization of the hopelessness of ego leads to a state of defeat that opens the door to the joy of being. We are all lost in the wilderness of delusions of ego and we are all the same. The 'other' is only denial projected. The left and the right are similar yet opposite manifestations of the duality created by the concept of evil. We all want to be on the side of the good and it is the will to good that creates the phenomenon of evil.

The world is perfect, and has always been so. Any step to fix it is a step in the wrong direction. Our job, as it were, is to learn how to love again as we were capable of as children.

I am a nobody but I say that the words that 'only a little child will enter the kingdom of heaven that is within us' is true.

This is what happens when all hope for anything ceases to be. That is why religion talks a lot about humility.

 

[michal1980]

Remember, according to werepossum that means all those people are stupid or evil. He KNOWS that Obama is breaking the law. It's what his gut tells him. If they are saying otherwise they are either stupid or conspiring to trick him.

There is no room for him to just have been wrong.

according to Obama, Obama is breaking the law.


But we all know those were just political speeches, and dems can never be held accountable for what they say.

 

[fskimospy]

according to Obama, Obama is breaking the law.

But we all know those were just political speeches, and dems can never be held accountable for what they say.

No.

Regardless, I'll remember in the future that you view Obama's interpretation of the law as the correct one over the legal community. Thanks! I would never have guessed you had such abiding respect for his legal analysis.