Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

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OrByte

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ivwshane said:
Wow! Werepossum is losing it! Dems have been playing the long game with immigration and slowly been allowing in illegals all with the hope of turning this country brown!

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Do tell us more about this plan! Lol!
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I'm mexican, does this mean I can change the national bird to chicken? it tastes better than bald eagle

just add a little tomatillo sauce and chorizo!
 
werepossum

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OrByte said:
I never said throw open the borders...learn to read and use your critical thinking skills! you used to be better than this? are you high?

immigration quotas?? what are you talking about?
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Is there some difference I'm missing between throwing open our borders and simply allowing anyone who comes here to stay?
 
werepossum

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OrByte said:
I'm mexican, does this mean I can change the national bird to chicken? it tastes better than bald eagle

just add a little tomatillo sauce and chorizo!
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Unless you've violated federal law, you can't possibly know that. ;)
 
Zorkorist

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The only real power against Government, is relegated to us, the citizens.

They don't care. They will live happy lives.

-John
 
Zorkorist

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At this point, citizens need to reign in Government, and I think we should start with a balanced budget agreement.

-John
 
IronWing

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Atreus21 said:
The threat of impeachment, to my understanding, is the one check against it.
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True, but Congress can impeach a President over the width of his tie if they want to. Congress can overrule a specific executive order by passing a new law rendering the order void. If Congress believes an order to be illegal they can sue or, more likely, find a party, preferably a state, with clear standing to bring the suit. The reason for finding proxy parties is that the courts understand that Congress, through its legislative and impeachment powers, has remedies within its own power to bring a wayward President to heel and therefore the courts tend to not accept Congressionally initiated cases.
 
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bradley

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Congress can never grant any President authority to create laws. Any Executive Order that bypasses the legislative authority of Congress is unconstitutional, period.

Congress could overturn an EO through passage of opposing legislation, or better yet, refuse to fund the EO entirely. The President then could choose to veto the legislation. Congress would have the final say by overriding the veto with a two-thirds majority.

The US courts have only overturned two Presidential EOs: Truman’s attempt to seize steel mills and place them under govt. control, President Clinton trying to stop the FED from contracting with companies that had strike-breakers on payroll.

In Truman's case, with a 6-3 decision, the USSC overturned his EO 10340 in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Steel+Seizure+Case
 
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fskimospy

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werepossum said:
Aw, now I'm blushing.


So if the President has the statutory authority to do the exact opposite of the law, what is the point of having laws? Existing law states that people illegally entering the country are to be deported; Obama is directing the government to welcome and "integrate" them, the exact opposite. Are there any laws you believe the President has no authority to overturn?

This is blatantly the rule of man replacing the rule of law. I realize you can justify this to yourself, but imagine a President Cruz directing the federal government to eliminate gay marriage or fine owners of automobiles failing to produce more emissions than allowed. I suppose a dictatorship which periodically swings the other way (assuming this action doesn't buy Obama enough new voters to make us a one party nation) beats most dictatorships, but it certainly doesn't beat a republic ruled by laws.

If you can't imagine that, then imagine this: Even if Obama's maneuver presents the Democrats with a permanent majority, nature abhors a vacuum. How long do you feel Spanish-speaking immigrants will be satisfied with the Democrats' largesse before they begin competing directly for power?


Unless it is specifically labeled an Executive Order and numbered, signing it will not make it one. (Although as IronWing points out, that argument can be made.)

It would actually be easier for the Pubbies if Obama had signed an Executive Order; that can be quite simply repealed. Now they have to fight each action taken, or else impeach him. And if they impeach, they'll never convict, much less remove.
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I always love it when the rule of law is replaced by the "rule of whatever insane thing werepossum thinks the law says".

Take a minute and read some actual legal analysis of what is going on instead of wallowing in whatever paranoid delusion you normally spend your time in.
 
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Moonbeam

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Jaskalas said:
I'll let you understand our use of the language. Anything that is not "send every illegal home", "remove THEM ALL" is amnesty. Plain and simple. Republicans like to pretend that we don't know where they are, that if we simply put some "effort" into it we could accomplish mass deportation.

As it stands, deportation is a joke. A mock law that ruins a few people to act as a PR stunt done in appeasement for those who want mass deportation.

You want to know a secret? I'm not one of them. I appreciate the practicalities involved and instead seek to slow the number of new immigrants while working to assimilate those present. I also appreciate that I'll never see this ideal realized.
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Of course you will. Do you think reality could play out in any other way?
 
First

First

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^ lol.

Yes, let's really shred the Constitution and just ignore the 14th amendment's clear birthright citizenship guarantee.
 
Zorkorist

Zorkorist

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First said:
^ lol.

Yes, let's really shred the Constitution and just ignore the 14th amendment's clear birthright citizenship guarantee.
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2nd Amendment - The right to keep and bear arms.
1st amendment - The right to Free Speech...

You should maybe not speak, First.

-John
 
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Vdubchaos

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First said:
^ lol.

Yes, let's really shred the Constitution and just ignore the 14th amendment's clear birthright citizenship guarantee.
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ALL of your amendments and rights can be and have been ignored for many years.

It's simply a list of temporary privileges that can be taken away from you ANY TIME.

Accept it.
 
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Vdubchaos

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Vic said:
Because that's worked so well before now, right? And won't cost anything either, I'm sure.
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We don't really know as it never happened!!!

Cost? EVERYTHING government does will have a HUGE cost attached to it.....so it doesn't really matter.

I'm sure we are currently paying up the ass for social services/healthcare for illegals!!!!
 
Hayabusa Rider

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Come on this is easy stuff guys. Politicians can certainly get this minor task done right, no?
 
Hayabusa Rider

Hayabusa Rider

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eskimospy said:
I always love it when the rule of law is replaced by the "rule of whatever insane thing werepossum thinks the law says".

Take a minute and read some actual legal analysis of what is going on instead of wallowing in whatever paranoid delusion you normally spend your time in.
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Immigration isn't my "thing" but as far as executive power I'm not so sure it can't be limited. This is independent of whatever has gone on regarding this thread and immigration.
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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Hayabusa Rider said:
Immigration isn't my "thing" but as far as executive power I'm not so sure it can't be limited. This is independent of whatever has gone on regarding this thread and immigration.
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Has anyone cited a specific law broken by the President?
Don't see why he'd be limited within the confines that Congress has already outlined for his office.
 
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