Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[OrByte]

Obama has aptly demonstrated with respect to immigration that he will not do the job that the country expects according to the laws. Whatchu Talkin About Willis!? He is doing his job, you just don't like WHAT and HOW he is doing it. Don't be a lazy thinker

He chooses to ignore the wishes of Congress and not enforce laws that exists.
Until Congress changes the immigration laws (which is what Obama wants), the existing laws are in force and should be enforced to the best of the government's ability.

ICE and the DOJ are not do so.

See my comment above.

See comments in bold

 

[OrByte]

No. Actually enforcing the current law is a plan. A very good one in fact.

Thank goodness Obama is around to do exactly that!

enforce current law.

 

[JDawg1536]

Guys, I understand how the process works. What I'm saying is, what is posted right now on the site you linked will be the executive order as soon as it is signed (which has now happened). Is that not correct?

 

[IronWing]

Guys, I understand how the process works. What I'm saying is, what is posted right now on the site you linked will be the executive order as soon as it is signed. Is that not correct?

Technically, no. However, as stated in my last post, there is a very good argument that the President did sign an executive order under the guise of a memo.

 

[fskimospy]

Guys, I understand how the process works. What I'm saying is, what is posted right now on the site you linked will be the executive order as soon as it is signed (which has now happened). Is that not correct?

No, from my understanding there will be no executive order. ie: there will be no entry in the national archives for an executive order here: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Executive orders have a very specific meaning and a very specific definition. This will likely be what's known as an 'admin order'. Yes it's somewhat silly that the 'executive' can issue an 'order' and not have it be an 'executive order', but from my understanding there will be no legal executive order here.

 

[JDawg1536]

Well if that's the case then you are correct. Executive actions or memos would not be executive orders, clearly. Fox News should get the facts straight.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well if that's the case then you are correct. Executive actions or memos would not be executive orders, clearly. Fox News should get the facts straight.

Why would they want to do that, being the chief propaganda organ of the Repub Party?

 

[IronWing]

On a side note: Even IE knows Obama wasn't born in America. When going to the White House website I keep getting "Internet Explorer blocked this website from displaying content with certificate errors." popups.

 

[JDawg1536]

Ok.... kinda funny.

 

[Moonbeam]

I just want to say that as a sever conservative who hates government to the max I have no idea how it actually works. I simply know intuitively that it works like I feel it does. This cuts through a lot of wasted thinking and dealing with shit that's gray area. I see instantly that the President is a dictator and should be impeached and none of you liberal idiots are going to convince me otherwise.

 

[OrByte]

I just want to say that as a sever conservative who hates government to the max I have no idea how it actually works. I simply know intuitively that it works like I feel it does. This cuts through a lot of wasted thinking and dealing with shit that's gray area. I see instantly that the President is a dictator and should be impeached and none of you liberal idiots are going to convince me otherwise.

YEAH! and Obama should be standing right there at the border with a big red REJECTED stamp as those nasty illegals line up to try and get into Amurrica.

or else he is NOT doing HIS JOB!!! herrderrhurr

Edit: Oh and lets not forget to give him that hammer and nails so he can get to work on that fence he needs to put up down on that border!! or else...HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB!!! IMPEACH!! I'm mad as a wet hen!!

 

[IronWing]

I read the two memos issued today. This is the stuff of revolution to be sure. One memo orders various cabinet secretaries to make up a list of recommendations on implementing visa processing reforms and to actually issue the visas to tech workers that Congress has already allocated. The other directs the formation of a task force to do welcomy stuff for "new Americans" (subject to appropriated funding).

 

[Jaskalas]

This isn't 'amnesty' by any definition for the term that has been used in relation to immigration.

That was easy. Breitbart depends on those reading it to be easily duped.

I'll let you understand our use of the language. Anything that is not "send every illegal home", "remove THEM ALL" is amnesty. Plain and simple. Republicans like to pretend that we don't know where they are, that if we simply put some "effort" into it we could accomplish mass deportation.

As it stands, deportation is a joke. A mock law that ruins a few people to act as a PR stunt done in appeasement for those who want mass deportation.

You want to know a secret? I'm not one of them. I appreciate the practicalities involved and instead seek to slow the number of new immigrants while working to assimilate those present. I also appreciate that I'll never see this ideal realized.

 

[michal1980]

Do you know what the CRS is?

The Congressional Research Service does not work for Obama.

How do you not know this.

missed who wrote this one. my bad.

 

[JDawg1536]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-delaying-deportations-for-millions-illegal/

Well looky there.... they changed the title.

 

[Thebobo]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-delaying-deportations-for-millions-illegal/

Well looky there.... they changed the title.

To late rage mode activated.

 

[boomerang]

I'm not blaming anyone. They wouldn't vote on the Senate's bill and they won't pass their own. This is the result. Any plan is better than no plan.

Ah, so the end justifies the means. Where have I heard that before...?

 

[werepossum]

I also would argue against the idea that Democrats WANT a more hispanic America.

Thats like saying ONLY Democrats decided a long long time ago to put the USA on top of South America in the hopes that all of those indigenous people south of the USA would want to come up here to live the fat life with the rest of us anglos.

What a stupid idea. The Democrats don't need NOR want a more hispanic America...I wouldn't mind some more of those peaceful middle easterns though. I'm kidding!

As a human person (Democrat/Republican/Whatever) I recognize that the USA will always be a destination for people from all over the world..because they see greater opportunity here as opposed to whatever country they live in. Period.

If I was an alien from outer space dropped into the middle of a South America (PICK ANY) COUNTRY I would make my way to the US...more often than not. Why you ask?

because the USA is a BETTER COUNTRY.

It doesn't have to do with politics...it has to do with everything BUT politics.

If I'm a Democrat, I'm looking for the best possible way to manage those immigrants...those that want to be here, and those that aren't causing any trouble. I'm also looking for a way to use my limited resources to move out those that cause trouble. Key term, limited resources.

If I'm republican, I don't know what I want to do with people coming to the country. All I hear is "Secure the borders" whatever the F that means.

There is waaaay too much thought here being filtered through stupid political lenses, take off those glasses and look at this from a resource perspective. The US has only so much $, people, and materials to handle an overburdened immigration system...what do you do? And why hasn't our Government done anything?

Democrats specifically intentionally changed our immigration quotas to make America a less white nation. Are you really going to argue this was unintentional?

But let's say you get your way (which with one more Democrat President you will) and we throw open our borders. What then? Imagine our nation with 500, 600, 800 million people - more than half from the poorest, least skilled, and least literate of the world - at a time when our wealth producing jobs are fleeing. What then? Are you imagining we can race China to the bottom of the wage scale? Because our only alternative option to feed, house and clothe these tired, huddled masses is to massively increase our borrowing from China and give up our position in the world to devote all our resources to welfare. Let's examine that for a moment - what does China do with all those dollars? Some, admittedly, are merely banked. Some are used for buying oil or other imports. But a lot of the dollars we send China are used to buy up American companies. So what happens when all our major corporations are owned by China, so these record profits we get from depressing wages go straight into Chinese pockets rather than being traded for Chinese-made consumer products.

When you sell the farm to avoid farming, you can live high on the hog for awhile, but eventually you run out of farm to sell. We're importing mouths to feed at a time we're struggling to feed the mouths we have, and the only answer from the Democrats is to raise taxes and borrow more.

You posted a link showing the executive order and then posted there is no executive order. Again, what?

An Executive Order is numbered and has the weight of law; this is merely a widespread directive to break the law.

Executive orders are specific legal documents. The memorandums technically aren't executive orders.

However, there may be a legal case for arguing that the President has, in effect, issued an executive order in the case of the first memo as he uses the phrase "By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order as follows:..." It would be more than a bit of a stretch to say that wasn't an executive order regardless of document title.

Edit: At least we can now start arguing about the actions the President actually took instead of arguing about wild ass speculation about what he was doing.

True, although that's cold comfort.

 

[werepossum]

Infinite truth post of the year.

Aw, now I'm blushing.

You're an idiot. Let me say it for the 4th or 5th time:

He is not ignoring any laws. He is acting within the statutory authority already granted him by Congress.

So if the President has the statutory authority to do the exact opposite of the law, what is the point of having laws? Existing law states that people illegally entering the country are to be deported; Obama is directing the government to welcome and "integrate" them, the exact opposite. Are there any laws you believe the President has no authority to overturn?

This is blatantly the rule of man replacing the rule of law. I realize you can justify this to yourself, but imagine a President Cruz directing the federal government to eliminate gay marriage or fine owners of automobiles failing to produce more emissions than allowed. I suppose a dictatorship which periodically swings the other way (assuming this action doesn't buy Obama enough new voters to make us a one party nation) beats most dictatorships, but it certainly doesn't beat a republic ruled by laws.

If you can't imagine that, then imagine this: Even if Obama's maneuver presents the Democrats with a permanent majority, nature abhors a vacuum. How long do you feel Spanish-speaking immigrants will be satisfied with the Democrats' largesse before they begin competing directly for power?

Guys, I understand how the process works. What I'm saying is, what is posted right now on the site you linked will be the executive order as soon as it is signed (which has now happened). Is that not correct?

Unless it is specifically labeled an Executive Order and numbered, signing it will not make it one. (Although as IronWing points out, that argument can be made.)

It would actually be easier for the Pubbies if Obama had signed an Executive Order; that can be quite simply repealed. Now they have to fight each action taken, or else impeach him. And if they impeach, they'll never convict, much less remove.

 

[JDawg1536]

Ah, so the end justifies the means. Where have I heard that before...?

Sometimes it does, of course.

 

[ivwshane]

Wow! Werepossum is losing it! Dems have been playing the long game with immigration and slowly been allowing in illegals all with the hope of turning this country brown!

Do tell us more about this plan! Lol!

 

[JDawg1536]

Unless it is specifically labeled an Executive Order and numbered, signing it will not make it one. (Although as IronWing points out, that argument can be made.)

It would actually be easier for the Pubbies if Obama had signed an Executive Order; that can be quite simply repealed. Now they have to fight each action taken, or else impeach him. And if they impeach, they'll never convict, much less remove.

Right, and everything I heard and read was claiming it would be an executive order.

An Executive Action can also easily be repealed, no?

 

[werepossum]

Right, and everything I heard and read was claiming it would be an executive order.

An Executive Action can also easily be repealed, no?

Yep, if you have the votes - which the Republicans do. They would not lose a single Senator and damned few Congresscritters.

 

[OrByte]

Democrats specifically intentionally changed our immigration quotas to make America a less white nation. Are you really going to argue this was unintentional?

But let's say you get your way (which with one more Democrat President you will) and we throw open our borders. What then? blah blah blal herdeehurr hurr hurr blah

I never said throw open the borders...learn to read and use your critical thinking skills! you used to be better than this? are you high?

immigration quotas?? what are you talking about?

 

[ivwshane]

Aw, now I'm blushing.


So if the President has the statutory authority to do the exact opposite of the law, what is the point of having laws? Existing law states that people illegally entering the country are to be deported; Obama is directing the government to welcome and "integrate" them, the exact opposite. Are there any laws you believe the President has no authority to overturn?

This is blatantly the rule of man replacing the rule of law. I realize you can justify this to yourself, but imagine a President Cruz directing the federal government to eliminate gay marriage or fine owners of automobiles failing to produce more emissions than allowed. I suppose a dictatorship which periodically swings the other way (assuming this action doesn't buy Obama enough new voters to make us a one party nation) beats most dictatorships, but it certainly doesn't beat a republic ruled by laws.

If you can't imagine that, then imagine this: Even if Obama's maneuver presents the Democrats with a permanent majority, nature abhors a vacuum. How long do you feel Spanish-speaking immigrants will be satisfied with the Democrats' largesse before they begin competing directly for power?


Unless it is specifically labeled an Executive Order and numbered, signing it will not make it one. (Although as IronWing points out, that argument can be made.)

It would actually be easier for the Pubbies if Obama had signed an Executive Order; that can be quite simply repealed. Now they have to fight each action taken, or else impeach him. And if they impeach, they'll never convict, much less remove.

lol! So not only is he not deporting people he's now actually brining in immigrants? I assume you ignored every one of my links that basically destroys your claim, right?


How do people get this crazy and irrational?