Obama supports the Constitutional Right of Mosque being built near WTC

[Jaskalas]

There is no right to place a specific building at a specific location.

 

[Rainsford]

Remember that you are speaking to a greater enemy than those who hit us on 9-11. You're speaking to their enablers. An American whose poltical allies have the will and the power to shut down opposition to Islamic terrorism.

This is a feud not solved by civility. They know it, and call you names. Do not forget that.

And how effective do you think you are in combating Islamic terrorism by indiscriminately going after all Muslims, everywhere? Do you REALLY think opposing the building of a mosque by Muslims who haven't personally done anything wrong hurts Islamic extremists like Al-Qaeda at all?

Because from where I sit, it seems like all you're really doing is showing moderate Muslims that our fight is NOT with terrorists, or extremists...we just hate Islam. And I could be wrong, but that seems like exactly the wrong way to fight extremism.

 

[Red Dawn]

How many Churches have been denied permits to build in this nation? Quite a lot I imagine.

A Mosque would be no different except for those who stand by what it, and its location combined, stand for.

I bet none of those Churches were denied permits based on their religious beliefs. If it wasn't zoned for a Church to be built there then a Mosque shouldn't be allowed to be built there. But if a Church could be built there then there's no reason why a Mosque shouldn''t be allowed to be built there.

 

[Rainsford]

There is no right to place a specific building at a specific location.

Nor is there a legal way for the government to prevent you just because they feel like it. The law doesn't work the way you seem to wish it does...

 

[Jaskalas]

And how effective do you think you are in combating Islamic terrorism by indiscriminately going after all Muslims, everywhere? Do you REALLY think opposing the building of a mosque by Muslims who haven't personally done anything wrong hurts Islamic extremists like Al-Qaeda at all?

Anyone who does not denounce terrorist organizations should be combated. The men involved here are no different.

 

[Red Dawn]

There is no right to place a specific building at a specific location.

And they should be denied because we don't happen to like their Religion? Well I don't happen to like any religion so using your logic I should be against building any places of worship (which I'm not)

 

[Red Dawn]

Anyone who does not denounce terrorist organizations should be combated. The men involved here are no different.

By disallowing their Constitutional Rights?

 

[Rainsford]

Anyone who does not denounce terrorist organizations should be combated. The men involved here are no different.

Free country fail...

Do you REALLY want to live in a country where it's illegal to not toe a particular party line, where not only can words you speak get you in trouble, but so can words you DON'T speak? Because I have to be honest, that doesn't sound like the kind of America I believe in...

 

[Jaskalas]

And they should be denied because we don't happen to like their Religion? Well I don't happen to like any religion so using your logic I should be against building any places of worship (which I'm not)

You're suggesting they have some right to this specific location.

 

[Homerboy]

You people realize that "normal" Muslims... the ones building the Mosque have NOTHING to do with the extremists sects right? It's barely the same religion.... in fact it is NOT the same religion.

 

[waggy]

Anyone who does not denounce terrorist organizations should be combated. The men involved here are no different.

oh boy. that would not go well...not to mention sure in the hell not a country i would be proud of.

 

[xj0hnx]

Well if they were being supported by Terrorist groups I'm positive HLS would be all over it. They also seem rather moderate (well for Muslims) so even though it's not inconceivable, I don't think the government of SA is funding them. I could be wrong though as I haven't any info about it one way or another.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/12/interview-with-ground-zero-mosque-spokesman/

There's a couple interesting statements in there, one that stuck out to me was defending the Imam not denouncing Hamas and Hezbollah because it is an "empty gesture", and that they are looking at "State money, local money, federal dollars, potentially Homeland Security money, we're look at putting together terrorist abatement programming". I expect to see all the usual suspects come out to denounce the use of government money for the mosque.

 

[Jaskalas]

Free country fail...

Do you REALLY want to live in a country where it's illegal to not toe a particular party line, where not only can words you speak get you in trouble, but so can words you DON'T speak? Because I have to be honest, that doesn't sound like the kind of America I believe in...

Opposing Islamic terrorism is not towing "a particular party line".

 

[Rainsford]

You're suggesting they have some right to this specific location.

And you're suggesting that WE have a right to decide who uses that specific location...

 

[Jaskalas]

You people realize that "normal" Muslims... the ones building the Mosque have NOTHING to do with the extremists sects right? It's barely the same religion.... in fact it is NOT the same religion.

Let them say that. Let them prove that.

 

[waggy]

You're suggesting they have some right to this specific location.

nope. they do not have a right to that location. they do have the right to build it.

BUT there is NO LAW that denies them the right to build it on property legally purchased and zoned for.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yeah right, we are enablers because we insist on upholding the Constitution. I'm also not a big fan of guns but I also support your right to have them. So in a sense I'm more of a true American than you are as I don't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution I support.

So you support my right to carry a machine gun anywhere I go?

 

[Red Dawn]

You're suggesting they have some right to this specific location.

The same right as a Church would have.

 

[Rainsford]

Opposing Islamic terrorism is not towing "a particular party line".

Yes, it is. You're suggesting we should force people to verbally agree that organizations like Hamas are terrorist groups, or face unspecified consequences.

I personally believe in opposing Islamic terrorism (and all forms of extremism, for that matter), but that's not the same as making it a legal requirement for people to agree with me.

 

[Rainsford]

Let them say that. Let them prove that.

That's not how living in a free country works. Nobody has to prove their loyalty, certainly not a loyalty to your particular point of view.

 

[Engineer]

So you support my right to carry a machine gun anywhere I go?

I see where you are going with this, and to that end, would you be against any other church from going up in that spot?

 

[Homerboy]

Let them say that. Let them prove that.

Exactly how do you want them to "prove it"?
Please prove to me YOUR loyalty, or your church's loyalty and patriotism. Show me.

 

[Homerboy]

nope. they do not have a right to that location. they do have the right to build it.

BUT there is NO LAW that denies them the right to build it on property legally purchased and zoned for.

Nor should there be... in any shape way or form. This IS America we're talking about right? I'm pretty sure NYC is in AMERICA right?

 

[xj0hnx]

I see where you are going with this, and to that end, would you be against any other church from going up in that spot?

Pretty much, but for different reasons, and especially if they were planning on using government funding.

 

[Engineer]

Pretty much, but for different reasons, and especially if they were planning on using government funding.

Then I support the right for all of your neighbors to carry (or even have in your home) the machine gun (or any gun) but I do not support your right to carry one (unless they think like you) because I don't like the way you think. :sneaky: