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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
Yeah, it makes it easier for rich kids to get out of it, but keeps the weight on poorer kids who have no choice.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
Yeah, it makes it easier for rich kids to get out of it, but keeps the weight on poorer kids who have no choice.
Originally posted by: KB
www.Change.gov has changed completely. All of the agenda items are now gone. Looks like his change message is changing itself.
Google Chached version:
http://74.125.45.104/search?hl...change.gov&btnG=Seerch
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
Yeah, it makes it easier for rich kids to get out of it, but keeps the weight on poorer kids who have no choice.
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
If they offer me $4k for tuition expenses in exchange for 100 hours a year of community service I am all for it. It would work out to $40/hr going right to college, which I would take. So all said and done with work+that I have tuition covered basically, since school costs me ~$9500 or so a year.
Granted this won't take effect until I graduate most likely (in ~2 years).
Here's another idea, what about offering that same $4k to people who do 100 hours of service to help repay student loans as well? It would get more participation out of the 24-30ish crowd to get an extra $4k/yr to help pay down student loans.
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
If they offer me $4k for tuition expenses in exchange for 100 hours a year of community service I am all for it. It would work out to $40/hr going right to college, which I would take. So all said and done with work+that I have tuition covered basically, since school costs me ~$9500 or so a year.
Granted this won't take effect until I graduate most likely (in ~2 years).
Here's another idea, what about offering that same $4k to people who do 100 hours of service to help repay student loans as well? It would get more participation out of the 24-30ish crowd to get an extra $4k/yr to help pay down student loans.
Nothing like the American taxpayer having to give some college students $40 an hour to goof off. I bet the $12/hour factory worker loves the fact that the student will then get to graduate and make quite a bit more than $12/hour.
Originally posted by: jonks
So they put forth a policy which received considerable negative public feedback, and instead of insisting that their way was right, everyone else was wrong, and if you don't like it you can suck it, they actually went ahead and reformulated it into something more palatable?
Change indeed.
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
If they offer me $4k for tuition expenses in exchange for 100 hours a year of community service I am all for it. It would work out to $40/hr going right to college, which I would take. So all said and done with work+that I have tuition covered basically, since school costs me ~$9500 or so a year.
Granted this won't take effect until I graduate most likely (in ~2 years).
Here's another idea, what about offering that same $4k to people who do 100 hours of service to help repay student loans as well? It would get more participation out of the 24-30ish crowd to get an extra $4k/yr to help pay down student loans.
Nothing like the American taxpayer having to give some college students $40 an hour to goof off. I bet the $12/hour factory worker loves the fact that the student will then get to graduate and make quite a bit more than $12/hour.
That $12/hour factory worker can enroll in college and get the same $40/hour reimbursement that the college kids are getting if he wants to.
ZV
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
If they offer me $4k for tuition expenses in exchange for 100 hours a year of community service I am all for it. It would work out to $40/hr going right to college, which I would take. So all said and done with work+that I have tuition covered basically, since school costs me ~$9500 or so a year.
Granted this won't take effect until I graduate most likely (in ~2 years).
Here's another idea, what about offering that same $4k to people who do 100 hours of service to help repay student loans as well? It would get more participation out of the 24-30ish crowd to get an extra $4k/yr to help pay down student loans.
Nothing like the American taxpayer having to give some college students $40 an hour to goof off. I bet the $12/hour factory worker loves the fact that the student will then get to graduate and make quite a bit more than $12/hour.
Originally posted by: palehorse
$40/hr is ridiculously high... cut that in half, or double the hours requirement, and it might be doable; but, only if it's entirely voluntary!
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
If they offer me $4k for tuition expenses in exchange for 100 hours a year of community service I am all for it. It would work out to $40/hr going right to college, which I would take. So all said and done with work+that I have tuition covered basically, since school costs me ~$9500 or so a year.
Granted this won't take effect until I graduate most likely (in ~2 years).
Here's another idea, what about offering that same $4k to people who do 100 hours of service to help repay student loans as well? It would get more participation out of the 24-30ish crowd to get an extra $4k/yr to help pay down student loans.
Nothing like the American taxpayer having to give some college students $40 an hour to goof off. I bet the $12/hour factory worker loves the fact that the student will then get to graduate and make quite a bit more than $12/hour.
Someone will need to pay for the tax refunds the $12/hr factory worker will get from Obama's tax plan.
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I like it. Carrot approach usually works better then the "you have too" approach.
If they offer me $4k for tuition expenses in exchange for 100 hours a year of community service I am all for it. It would work out to $40/hr going right to college, which I would take. So all said and done with work+that I have tuition covered basically, since school costs me ~$9500 or so a year.
Granted this won't take effect until I graduate most likely (in ~2 years).
Here's another idea, what about offering that same $4k to people who do 100 hours of service to help repay student loans as well? It would get more participation out of the 24-30ish crowd to get an extra $4k/yr to help pay down student loans.
Nothing like the American taxpayer having to give some college students $40 an hour to goof off. I bet the $12/hour factory worker loves the fact that the student will then get to graduate and make quite a bit more than $12/hour.
That $12/hour factory worker can enroll in college and get the same $40/hour reimbursement that the college kids are getting if he wants to.
ZV
Except for the fact that the $12/hour factory worker probably has a family to support instead of a family supporting him.
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Except for the fact that the $12/hour factory worker probably has a family to support instead of a family supporting him.
My family doesn't support me at all. I have been on my own without family support since I was 18.
So now instead of creating incentives to go to school, lets let people figure out how to get through college without any aid. I'm sorry mr $12/hour factory worker, but you had the oppertunity to go to college and still do. If you want to go to college and get this economic benefit, you are able to just as I am. I'm sorry you decided to get married, and have kids prior to getting a secondary education. That's not my fault though.
Okay so what about when a college grad is his boss? Should we make it harder for the college grad to become his boss since Mr. $12/hr factory worker is a victim of "well my father was a factory worker, and his father was a factory worker, so I should be a factory worker"? Let's have Mr. $12/hr factory worker become the boss, and make everybody be a factory worker before they are a manager. Makes sense right?