Obama rally in Des Moines

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep. It looks as though there are some cracks in the facade the media and dems have created.

Uh-oh it's the MSM boogieman again...

Yep, the so-called "Party of Values" has been replaced by "The Party of Victims." Waaaah! Woe is us! Just a bunch of whiny crybabies any more.

Pointing out the obvious bias is not playing a "victim" - it's pointing out the obvious.

Reality is biased. This idea that the press should report on two candidates with equally glowing or negative stories is stupid. If one candidate is out kissing hands and shaking babies while the other is being a tard, it is not media bias that the press reports it that way.

Ah, so the press gets to decide for people? I thought they were supposed to provide the information...silly me for thinking the press was supposed to do actual reporting... but yet again this subject is off topic. There are other threads if you wish to discuss media bias.

Reading comprehension is not your strong point. If candidate A is running a pathetic, disjointed campaign it is perfectly legitimate for the press to report that candidate A is running a pathetic, disjointed campaign. This creates no obligation on the part of the press to report that candidate B is running a pathetic, disjointed campaign if, in fact, candidate B is running a well organized campaign. The pres is not being biased here but is reporting the state of the two campaigns which happen to be different.

Yes, I understood what you were trying to say but you don't seem to understand that it's reporting opinion and just who's opinion is it?
Also, no where did I suggest that it had to be equal - I'm not a lib who thinks the "fairness" doctrine is good...

BTW, there is another thread(one just started tonight in fact) for you to discuss media reporting and bias if you wish.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TallBill
Must be nice to take off work to go to a rally at noon, or get off the couch, or wherever they came from.

I'm not sure what your point is, but yes, it is nice. Coincidentally, I have employees in both Des Moines and Columbus, OH (where McCain held a big rally today too). Even more coincidentally, both rallies were held within a block or so of our offices. I gave my staff the option to attend their local rally, if they wanted, and did not require them to take vacation to do so. Like many large companies, we encourage employees to participate in the political process, and most people rarely get a chance to see the next POTUS in person.

As far as where they came from, according to local news reports, they came from pretty much everywhere. The streets were filled with people walking to the event (from wherever they work or parked, as appropriate). People were still walking up twenty minutes after it started. Most had to watch and listen from outside the official venue.

What I meant was that it must be nice to take off work to go to a rally at noon, or get off the couch, or wherever they came from.

 

[RU482]

why argue? it's all gonna be over in a few days.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
According to the polls Obama is up by 11 in Iowa which means he should not even be there unless his campaign thinks the polls are off.

Makes you wonder what the inside the campaign polls look like.

Yep. It looks as though there are some cracks in the facade the media and dems have created.

No, it really doesn't. Obama stopped in Iowa for symbolic reasons -- this is where he started -- because the McCain campaign has been spending a lot of time and money here, so it's good strategy to stay visible, and probably most of all, because he was on his way home to spend Halloween with his kids and Iowa is right next door.

Uhhh... McCain has not spent a lot of time and money here - not even close to what BHO has. You can't turn on the TV here without seeing a BHO ad. Likely 3-4:1

But sure, you've repeated the BHO campaign's suggestion that it was symbolic...but you forgot the he was in the neighborhood line though... :roll:

Really? Care to back that up? I heard today that Iowa is one of the few states where McCain is outspending Obama. I haven't verified that, but I give it more credibility than the "3-4:1" Obama you almost certainly pulled out of your rectum.


Edit: I have to suggest for the hundredth time that you invest in that remedial reading course. Contrary to your flip "you forgot the he was in the neighborhood line", I did mention that as the most likely reason he chose to come to Iowa today. Here, let me bold it for you. It's funny how you so regularly chide others for not reading what you wrote, yet you are the consistently one of the worst offenders.

Learn to read moron. I said his ads were likely 3-4:1 because that's what I've seen when I've turned the TV on to local channels. Maybe it's due to the times I turn it on...

You learn to read, loon-boy. You asserted, and I quote, "McCain has not spent a lot of time and money here - not even close to what BHO has." As usual, you're either making shit up or lying. Either way, you're wrong. (Your subsequent attempt to spin your words is blatant lying, in my opinion.)

BTW, you apparently missed my edit. I added it back for you. You're welcome.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: redly1
why argue? it's all gonna be over in a few days.

I think these guys get off on it, I dunno.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
According to the polls Obama is up by 11 in Iowa which means he should not even be there unless his campaign thinks the polls are off.

Makes you wonder what the inside the campaign polls look like.

Yep. It looks as though there are some cracks in the facade the media and dems have created.

No, it really doesn't. Obama stopped in Iowa for symbolic reasons -- this is where he started -- because the McCain campaign has been spending a lot of time and money here, so it's good strategy to stay visible, and probably most of all, because he was on his way home to spend Halloween with his kids and Iowa is right next door.

Uhhh... McCain has not spent a lot of time and money here - not even close to what BHO has. You can't turn on the TV here without seeing a BHO ad. Likely 3-4:1

But sure, you've repeated the BHO campaign's suggestion that it was symbolic...but you forgot the he was in the neighborhood line though... :roll:

Really? Care to back that up? I heard today that Iowa is one of the few states where McCain is outspending Obama. I haven't verified that, but I give it more credibility than the "3-4:1" Obama you almost certainly pulled out of your rectum.


Edit: I have to suggest for the hundredth time that you invest in that remedial reading course. Contrary to your flip "you forgot the he was in the neighborhood line", I did mention that as the most likely reason he chose to come to Iowa today. Here, let me bold it for you. It's funny how you so regularly chide others for not reading what you wrote, yet you are the consistently one of the worst offenders.

Learn to read moron. I said his ads were likely 3-4:1 because that's what I've seen when I've turned the TV on to local channels. Maybe it's due to the times I turn it on...

You learn to read, loon-boy. You asserted, and I quote, "McCain has not spent a lot of time and money here - not even close to what BHO has." As usual, you're either making shit up or lying. Either way, you're wrong. (Your subsequent attempt to spin your words is blatant lying, in my opinion.)

BTW, you apparently missed my edit. I added it back for you. You're welcome.

Yeah, I missed your edit but it doesn't change anything. My point was, you didn't hit the talking point. The talking point is in the neighborhood whereas you only had halloween and right next door. Sorry you didn't get it...

Again - learn to read - I responded to your incorrect blending of the two. Spending and ad play. You brought 3-4:1 into the money equation and I stated it was not correct since the 3-4:1 was ad play that I've seen on local tv. So while I may be incorrect on money spent state wide, your posts were incorrect due to you not being able to read what I post. Next time try to make sure you read what I post instead of trying to twist it and strip it of context.

BTW, there is another talking point on this too - it was to "make up" for skipping last week's stop to fly to Hawaii. But that only shifts the time - not the real reason for the Iowa stop.

 

[Bowfinger]

Of course CAD, whatever you say. (Never, ever, ever ... about anything. /snicker ) You should team up with Butterbean. You'd make a good couple.

:laugh:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Of course CAD, whatever you say. (Never, ever, ever ... about anything. /snicker ) You should team up with Butterbean. You'd make a good couple.

:laugh:

lol, you obviously didn't read what I posted.... again. go figure. Same old bowfinger...same old lies... same old dodge when you've been shown to be wrong...

 

[sportage]

Why was he back in iOwa?
Good point.
He made it clear, it was his way of saying thank you everyone. He felt iOwa caucus started it all. He was grateful. And wanted to show it. Also, he had a rally scheduled before but canceled when he decided to visit his sick grandmother in Hawaii.
Good thing because the weather was nasty as hell that week.
Friday it was sunny and 70. Pretty nice for an iOwa fall day.
His first words were, that he wanted to think whom ever it was that arranged 70 degree weather in late October. Especially after the cold rainy weather he ran into before iOwa.

I wanted to add Obama's stump speech was very positive. He also gave Mccain his due honor, as he often does. His positive speech really connects with people at these rally's.
I was also impressed at how perfect his rally's are ran. With all that mass of people, everything went extremely smooth. And Obama himself arrived right on the dot.
If he runs the government as well as he runs his campaign, we are all in for a treat.

I remember Bill Clinton's rally back in 1992, was started some 2 hours late waiting for Bill to arrive. Obama's campaign is like a fine tuned watch. Pretty impressive. He just has this little vp issue from time to time. But don?t they all...

Ps. Yes there was a huge number of workers from downtown offices. Des Moines is mostly entirely insurance and health. Right behind the new park where the rally was held, Blue Cross is taking over an entire square block building a new structure.
No wonder my co-pays double every year.
Des Moines is trying to make downtown like a mini New York with new condo's and apartments. It was a fairly easy matter to attract a huge noon time crowd. Yes, there were a lot of local office workers. If you had trouble getting thru to your healthcare HMO or insurance company that Friday, they were probably at the rally.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sportage

If he runs the government as well as he runs his campaign, we are all in for a treat.

Whats that, ask for a lot of money, then spend a lot?

 

[sportage]

You should have been there. I highly recommend attending a live rally if you get the opportunity in the last few days. I expected at least one heckler, but other than Obama speaking, you could hear a pin drop.

 

[sportage]

One more add...
Obama's attraction has nothing to do with anything other than inspiring people.
That people can get along, since we're all in the same boat called the old USA.
Kinda like old Abe Lincoln and his crazy idea that slavery should be abolished.
Imagine.... abolished slavery. What a romantic. What could he have been thinking?
Of that JFK guy that dreamed of putting men on the moon and asking people to ask themselves what they could do for their country. Or ML King's vision of a promised land.
What romantics...
Its sad so many people have stopped following their dreams. Or have given up on them.

 

[SSSnail]

You know what sickens me? Lazy fuckers that have never been doing ANYTHING constructive to the political process of this country, all of a sudden going to vote for the first time in their lives, because they say that "I feel that I really have a chance to make a change this time".

Oh really?

Fuck off and die.

Just be honest to yourself, say it like what it really is, they came out to vote because Obama is partly black, and NOTHING else. Spare me the bullshit.

I saw this shit on TV earlier an interview with this one lady and I could not contain myself from the disgusted feeling I had (just take a wild guess what was the color of her skin). You mean to tell me for 45 freaking years of living and mooching off this country, you've NEVER had a presidential candidate that inspires you? That wasn't worth your time? But all of a sudden NOW?

Seriously, a lot of you need to look deep inside your souls and just be honest to yourselves.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You know what sickens me? Lazy fuckers that have never been doing ANYTHING constructive to the political process of this country, all of a sudden going to vote for the first time in their lives, because they say that "I feel that I really have a chance to make a change this time".

Oh really?

Fuck off and die.

Just be honest to yourself, say it like what it really is, they came out to vote because Obama is partly black, and NOTHING else. Spare me the bullshit.

I saw this shit on TV earlier an interview with this one lady and I could not contain myself from the disgusted feeling I had (just take a wild guess what was the color of her skin). You mean to tell me for 45 freaking years of living and mooching off this country, you've NEVER had a presidential candidate that inspires you? That wasn't worth your time? But all of a sudden NOW?

Seriously, a lot of you need to look deep inside your souls and just be honest to yourselves.

Wow, sorry to hear that your candidate is losing.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You know what sickens me? Lazy fuckers that have never been doing ANYTHING constructive to the political process of this country, all of a sudden going to vote for the first time in their lives, because they say that "I feel that I really have a chance to make a change this time".

Oh really?

Fuck off and die.

Just be honest to yourself, say it like what it really is, they came out to vote because Obama is partly black, and NOTHING else. Spare me the bullshit.

I saw this shit on TV earlier an interview with this one lady and I could not contain myself from the disgusted feeling I had (just take a wild guess what was the color of her skin). You mean to tell me for 45 freaking years of living and mooching off this country, you've NEVER had a presidential candidate that inspires you? That wasn't worth your time? But all of a sudden NOW?

Seriously, a lot of you need to look deep inside your souls and just be honest to yourselves.

In my area, half the Obama volunteers are high school kids who have never worked a day in their life and do drugs off their parents money, crying about all the evil in the world.

The 26th amendment was sadly misguided.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You know what sickens me? Lazy fuckers that have never been doing ANYTHING constructive to the political process of this country, all of a sudden going to vote for the first time in their lives, because they say that "I feel that I really have a chance to make a change this time".

Oh really?

Fuck off and die.

Just be honest to yourself, say it like what it really is, they came out to vote because Obama is partly black, and NOTHING else. Spare me the bullshit.

I saw this shit on TV earlier an interview with this one lady and I could not contain myself from the disgusted feeling I had (just take a wild guess what was the color of her skin). You mean to tell me for 45 freaking years of living and mooching off this country, you've NEVER had a presidential candidate that inspires you? That wasn't worth your time? But all of a sudden NOW?

Seriously, a lot of you need to look deep inside your souls and just be honest to yourselves.

you need to look in a mirror at the hate that fills your own soul before you start judging others. if Obama is elected, every single minority child in this country will have a new perspective on what it means to succeed at the highest level and that each and every one of them has that opportunity. if you can not comprehend what a giant step that alone is for this great country then, as you said, "fuck off and die".

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You know what sickens me? Lazy fuckers that have never been doing ANYTHING constructive to the political process of this country, all of a sudden going to vote for the first time in their lives, because they say that "I feel that I really have a chance to make a change this time".

Oh really?

Fuck off and die.

Just be honest to yourself, say it like what it really is, they came out to vote because Obama is partly black, and NOTHING else. Spare me the bullshit.

I saw this shit on TV earlier an interview with this one lady and I could not contain myself from the disgusted feeling I had (just take a wild guess what was the color of her skin). You mean to tell me for 45 freaking years of living and mooching off this country, you've NEVER had a presidential candidate that inspires you? That wasn't worth your time? But all of a sudden NOW?

Seriously, a lot of you need to look deep inside your souls and just be honest to yourselves.

In my area, half the Obama volunteers are high school kids who have never worked a day in their life and do drugs off their parents money, crying about all the evil in the world.

The 26th amendment was sadly misguided.

and how exactly did you come up with that?

its just more of your bullshit that you can not backup.

 

[SSSnail]

For the record, I don't have a dog in this race so I couldn't care less.

I hate them all equally, both are filled with so much bullshits; but, you can lap it all up depends on whichever camp you follow.

You want a good success story for minority? Oh really? Let's start with high paid athletes? How about rappers?

Give me a break with your soppy excuses and reasons.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
For the record, I don't have a dog in this race so I couldn't care less.

I hate them all equally, both are filled with so much bullshits; but, you can lap it all up depends on whichever camp you follow.

You want a good success story for minority? Oh really? Let's start with high paid athletes? How about rappers?

Give me a break with your soppy excuses and reasons.

Wait a second. You're complaining because they do have a "dog in the race" and you don't? Does that mean you're sitting this one out then?

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SSSnail
For the record, I don't have a dog in this race so I couldn't care less.

I hate them all equally, both are filled with so much bullshits; but, you can lap it all up depends on whichever camp you follow.

You want a good success story for minority? Oh really? Let's start with high paid athletes? How about rappers?

Give me a break with your soppy excuses and reasons.

Wait a second. You're complaining because they do have a "dog in the race" and you don't? Does that mean you're sitting this one out then?

Just an unbiased bystander observing the crap pit and pointing out its rankest residents. I wasn't complaining IMO, simply giving my opinions based on observed facts.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SSSnail
For the record, I don't have a dog in this race so I couldn't care less.

I hate them all equally, both are filled with so much bullshits; but, you can lap it all up depends on whichever camp you follow.

You want a good success story for minority? Oh really? Let's start with high paid athletes? How about rappers?

Give me a break with your soppy excuses and reasons.

Wait a second. You're complaining because they do have a "dog in the race" and you don't? Does that mean you're sitting this one out then?

Just an unbiased bystander observing the crap pit and pointing out its rankest residents. I wasn't complaining IMO, simply giving my opinions based on observed facts.

Ah, just jealous of their Candidate and newfound enthusiasm for the process which you have absolutely no connection to as your non-bias only extends to putting down their Candidate, but beyond that you have no thought on things Pro or Con.

There's a lot of that going around. The Anti-Obama, not Pro-Anyone sentiment. Strange phenomena, seemingly only striking those who were formerly Pro-Bush to a fault(major fault). Maybe it's just the Flu.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
For the record, I don't have a dog in this race so I couldn't care less.

I hate them all equally, both are filled with so much bullshits; but, you can lap it all up depends on whichever camp you follow.

You want a good success story for minority? Oh really? Let's start with high paid athletes? How about rappers?

Give me a break with your soppy excuses and reasons.

what about high paid athletes and rappers?

i never gave any excuses or reasons so wtf are you talking about?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Why am I not surprised to see the Conservatives completely derail this thread.

It has been said before and it bears repeating. Conservatives will not go down lightly in this election. They are coming to grips with the realization that their stranglehold on power in this country is waning and Obama has the potential to completely marginalize them as a political voice for the next 8 years. They are so blind-sided by their hatred and anger that they don't realize how much good Obama will bring to this nation when elected. They have turned politics into a sport, they no longer care what happens so long as their "team" wins.

 

[Vic]

Only someone with ZERO knowledge of American history would describe the crowds Obama attracts as "odd" or "novel." Maybe we have not seen this kind of phenomenon since JFK, but prior to that in American history, this kind of popular statesmanship was not only common, but EXPECTED from our politicians at this level.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Why am I not surprised to see the Conservatives completely derail this thread.

It has been said before and it bears repeating. Conservatives will not go down lightly in this election. They are coming to grips with the realization that their stranglehold on power in this country is waning and Obama has the potential to completely marginalize them as a political voice for the next 8 years. They are so blind-sided by their hatred and anger that they don't realize how much good Obama will bring to this nation when elected. They have turned politics into a sport, they no longer care what happens so long as their "team" wins.

Seems that way. "Country first" be damned, it's just a slogan to win the Election, it appears. Certainly they have a different view of how things should be and that should be respected, however their view of their Opponents seems to lean towards believing the very exagerations they created.

All Political people(as well as Religious) need to walk a fine line between that which compels them to promote their view and demote their opponents view, when that line blurrs so much that people believe their own motivational propoganda, that's when bad things happen. I'm not sure if it's just the non-White Male aspect of this Election or not, but this one has turned kinda creepily nasty where some(on another message board mostly, but somewhat here as well) have even entertained a cavalier attitude of violence towards Obama. A sentiment of, "It doesn't matter if Obama will get Elected, he'll be dead by Spring" is what I read elsewhere. Here there's been threads on stocking up on Guns and such.

McCain has opened a Pandora's Box with many of his attacks on Obama and though he's tried to settle down some of the results of it, time will only tell if people keep their heads.