Obama rally in Des Moines

[alien42]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, I'm just not on whatever you're on, kool-aid is strong...

since you are not voting this election, why don't you STFU.

That's a good comeback :roll:

I've seen enough stuff online and talked to enough people in person who are voting for Obama because they have caught onto his advertising. The typical line is something like this "Fuck Bush, Mccain is just like him, our economy is doing terrible and Obama is going to fix it, we're going to pay less taxes, and oh my god change is going to be so great".

The majority of people hate Bush because of either the war in Iraq or the economy.

Either candidate is going to scale down troops in Iraq because we have made a shitload of progress there. The news doesn't even bother reporting deaths anymore because it isn't high enough to catch people's attention. Notice how it was such a big fucking issue when the race started, but I certainly haven't been hearing about it lately. Honestly, how many of you even think about Iraq/Afghanistan on a daily basis? I know I don't and I've been to both places.

Also the economy isn't that horrible, I learned what a fucking business cycle is in no less then 5 classes so far. This one happens to be sharper because of freddie mac, fannie mae and there are a whole lot of people to blame for that one. Our unemployment rate is at 6.1%, hardly a crisis. It was at 10.1% in 1983, and we made it through that. Our stock markets are dropping and rising at record daily rates because it's so god damn easy to make quick transactions these days and people are idiots.

Now I'm not saying that Mccain is our god and savior, I happen to voting for him because I dislike him less then Obama. But both of them have really shitty math, and you are stupid if you believe all of their promises. It's financially impossible to support all of the programs that they have mentioned, lower taxes, and still have any cash left over.

The biggest thing that I dislike about Obama is the reduction of the military that will come, because I am directly affected by that. It may be selfish, but so are most of the reasons that people vote. Telling someone to shut the fuck up because they cant find a good candidate is absolutely retarded and uncalled for.

I also don't see any way that an Obama or Mccain victory will make my life any better then it is now. Local elections are so much more important, and I don't know jack shit about any of my local candidates which is really sad.

its the appropriate response for sssnail. this post of yours is much more thought out and reasonable than his without any of the vile hate which i can respect.

i was personally against the war in Iraq from day one so i agree with Obama on that. as for the economy, i disagree that it "isn't that horrible" and John McCain has said himself that the economy is not a strong issue for him. this is one of many examples where Barack Obama has surrounded himself with the best of the best, such as Warren Buffet. everyone knows that no politician can hold all of their promises, but i trust that Obama will do a better job of that than GWB. the Republicans have wastefully spent whereas i believe Obama will spend more wisely. a big part of this is the technology and transparency that Obama will bring to the White House.

as for your little personal attacks, i highly suggest going back and reading the discourse between sssnail and myself. my responses were reflections of what he had already said, i told him to shut the fuck up because he continued to skew my words with very false mis-statements. if i said that just because they "cant find a good candidate" would be another story, but i did and have not.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, I'm just not on whatever you're on, kool-aid is strong...

since you are not voting this election, why don't you STFU.

Touched a nerve? Last time I check I'm still entitled to my opinion. Your veil is showing your hate.

and your opinion is idiotic. Glad we all agree

To you and your ilk perhaps. Now, take notice of something, instead of addressing my OP, you and your posse decided to attack ME instead of coming up with a viable excuse for the issue. All I see is frantic "YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE BELIEVE, BE INSPIRED?", sounds like a religion to me.

In my OP, I didn't ONCE personally attacked one of you, yet you fell compel to personally attack me, because that's the only way you know and be. All I did was share my opinion, I guess my opinion violated your faith in your messiah so you condemn me. I thought most of you are intelligent?! Your colors, they show (not skin wise).

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: alien42

its the appropriate response for sssnail. this post of yours is much more thought out and reasonable than his without any of the vile hate which i can respect.

i was personally against the war in Iraq from day one so i agree with Obama on that. as for the economy, i disagree that it "isn't that horrible" and John McCain has said himself that the economy is not a strong issue for him. this is one of many examples where Barack Obama has surrounded himself with the best of the best, such as Warren Buffet. everyone knows that no politician can hold all of their promises, but i trust that Obama will do a better job of that than GWB. the Republicans have wastefully spent whereas i believe Obama will spend more wisely. a big part of this is the technology and transparency that Obama will bring to the White House.

as for your little personal attacks, i highly suggest going back and reading the discourse between sssnail and myself. my responses were reflections of what he had already said, i told him to shut the fuck up because he continued to skew my words with very false mis-statements. if i said that just because they "cant find a good candidate" would be another story, but i did and have not.

Yeah, I should have ignored the personal attack part completely.

Hopefully whoever does end up winning will make major spending cuts, I just don't want to see the military scaled back. Troops got hosed in Iraq directly because of the reduction in active duty brigades thanks to Clinton.

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: sportage
If you haven?t been to a live Obama rally, you're missing something very special.
I know now why Obama has such magnetism with the voters.
Some have stated they fear for his safety. I use to think that way, but no longer.
Obama rally's are security perfection.
The rally was held downtown during noon time.
You could not get near the park until you were checked through airport like security.
And every roof top had swat or police. Streets were closed. Obama is very well protected.

Obama arrived right on time. The crowd was HUGE.
Having only watched him on TV during the debates, info commercial
and news shows, I was taken back at how inspirational he is in person.
Something that does not come across so profoundly on TV as in person.
It was like time stood still.
But what was really amazing was to look around at all the faces.
People were so inspired by him. It was like people from all backgrounds, walks of life,
income levels were united. Uplifted. Obama's "gift" is not his rock star quality, nor some God like quality that opponents reduce him to. Obama's gift is his ability to connect with and inspire his audience. Something that does not come across on TV, compared to his live rally?s.

I was once a huge Hillary supporter, but I now realize Obama is the better choice, simply
because of his gift to connect and inspire. If he had been president after 9/11,
things would have been different. Obama would have united the country like never before, and kept us that way.
Inspiration is a rare gift that past leaders like Lincoln, MLK, JFK only had.
Obama also has this gift. And it?s a rare gift.

We were there early and got seats on the bleachers. The rally was packed, and on the lawn a sea of heads. But what took me back was after the rally we waited on the bleachers as the older folks exited first. I said ?lets walk to the top of the bleacher for a better view?.
The friend I was with tapped me on the shoulder and said "look".
I turned around and as far as I could see, in all directions, the streets were packed
with people. I did not realize that many people were behind us filling the streets.

Obama is not a rock star. He is not God-like. What he simply can do is inspire people.
If Obama is not elected on Nov 4th, the country will have tragically missed an opportunity to bring people together. Few leaders have this gift of inspiration and leadership.
JFK had it, Lincoln no doubt had it, MLK did and Reagan did when he said "tear this wall down".
Obama has that rare gift. Its easy to see why he has such a strong following of supporters.
And it would be so very tragic to let this opportunity pass us by.

Thanks OP for your views. This thread has gone off the deep end, but your initial thoughts are valuable, at least to me.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You know what sickens me? Lazy fuckers that have never been doing ANYTHING constructive to the political process of this country, all of a sudden going to vote for the first time in their lives, because they say that "I feel that I really have a chance to make a change this time".

Oh really?

Fuck off and die.

Just be honest to yourself, say it like what it really is, they came out to vote because Obama is partly black, and NOTHING else. Spare me the bullshit.

I saw this shit on TV earlier an interview with this one lady and I could not contain myself from the disgusted feeling I had (just take a wild guess what was the color of her skin). You mean to tell me for 45 freaking years of living and mooching off this country, you've NEVER had a presidential candidate that inspires you? That wasn't worth your time? But all of a sudden NOW?

Seriously, a lot of you need to look deep inside your souls and just be honest to yourselves.

In my area, half the Obama volunteers are high school kids who have never worked a day in their life and do drugs off their parents money, crying about all the evil in the world.

The 26th amendment was sadly misguided.

In my area, half the McCain volunteers are high school kids who have never worked a day in their life and do drugs off their parents money, crying about all the evil in the world, while pretending to be robbed and beaten at an ATM by a black Obama supporter.

 

[IGBT]

..no doubt he's one hell of a demagogue. He's got most of you guys mesmerized with his socialist "obama world of enchantment". What luck for "the obama" that his supporters don't think.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..no doubt he's one hell of a demagogue. He's got most of you guys mesmerized with his socialist "obama world of enchantment". What luck for "the obama" that his supporters don't think.

These kinds of statements make you look very silly.

 

[Bowfinger]

Just to further confirm that ProJo and CAD are mired in wishful thinking, the Des Moines Register has a new poll out today. It shows Obama leading McCain by 17 points, 54% to 37%: New Iowa Poll: Obama widens lead over McCain

It was largely taken before Obama's rally in Des Moines, with support increasing as the week went on: "Obama's support grew during the days when the poll was conducted. ... Obama appeared to be at least competitive in all geographic areas and regions of the state."

On a related note, in the Iowa Senate race, incumbent Tom Harkin (D) is also leading his opponent Christopher Reed (R), 57% to 31%.

 

[sportage]

As to the iowa senate, old tom harkin "IS" GOD to most iowans
I think every corn stock grows in the image of his face.
What I'm saying, tom harkin will end it as senator when and only when he decides to end it as senator.
Actually, I'd like to see a new face take his seat, a democratic face, because I do not believe politics should become a job career. Too much corruption can worm its was into the mix.
Maybe term limits of, say, 20 years???

They have turned politics into a sport, they no longer care what happens so long as their "team" wins.

That is what I meant by having no real dreams or direction.

Make no mistake about this, your Obama is NOT JFK.

And if he was, I'm sure a whole new set of talking points would be devised to cut him down.

PS. Another Obama plus, and something that has driven "some" republicans totally crazy this time, is sex. Or the lack of, I should say.
Here we have a man, Barack Obama, who is married once and has two cute as hell kids that only want a new puppy out of this all. A man married and loyal to his wife, the mother of his kids. A family of families.
A Christian, a family man, a good father and husband, even with this EVEN WITH THIS the republican wing nuts "pray-day" for an election upset. :roll:

What would Jesus do...say...?
I think Iknow, "are U FN KIDDING ME. Ok... all you so called religious wing nuts, move over to the 'straight to hell' line." :laugh:

 

[microbial]

I thought this article was close in spirit to the OPs.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html


My wife made me canvas for Obama; here's what I learned
This election is not about major policies. It's about hope.

By Jonathan Curley
from the November 3, 2008 edition
E-mail Print Letter to the Editor Republish del.icio.us digg
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

I encouraged my son to join the military. I was proud of him in Afghanistan, and happy when he came home, and angry when he was recalled because of the invasion of Iraq. I'm white, 55, I live in the South and I'm definitely going to get a bigger tax bill if Obama wins.

I am the dreaded swing voter.

So you can imagine my surprise when my wife suggested we spend a Saturday morning canvassing for Obama. I have never canvassed for any candidate. But I did, of course, what most middle-aged married men do: what I was told.

At the Obama headquarters, we stood in a group to receive our instructions. I wasn't the oldest, but close, and the youngest was maybe in high school. I watched a campaign organizer match up a young black man who looked to be college age with a white guy about my age to canvas together. It should not have been a big thing, but the beauty of the image did not escape me.

Instead of walking the tree-lined streets near our home, my wife and I were instructed to canvass a housing project. A middle-aged white couple with clipboards could not look more out of place in this predominantly black neighborhood.

We knocked on doors and voices from behind carefully locked doors shouted, "Who is it?"

"We're from the Obama campaign," we'd answer. And just like that doors opened and folks with wide smiles came out on the porch to talk.

Grandmothers kept one hand on their grandchildren and made sure they had all the information they needed for their son or daughter to vote for the first time.

Young people came to the door rubbing sleep from their eyes to find out where they could vote early, to make sure their vote got counted.

We knocked on every door we could find and checked off every name on our list. We did our job, but Obama may not have been the one who got the most out of the day's work.

I learned in just those three hours that this election is not about what we think of as the "big things."

It's not about taxes. I'm pretty sure mine are going to go up no matter who is elected.

It's not about foreign policy. I think we'll figure out a way to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan no matter which party controls the White House, mostly because the people who live there don't want us there anymore.

I don't see either of the candidates as having all the answers.

I've learned that this election is about the heart of America. It's about the young people who are losing hope and the old people who have been forgotten. It's about those who have worked all their lives and never fully realized the promise of America, but see that promise for their grandchildren in Barack Obama. The poor see a chance, when they often have few. I saw hope in the eyes and faces in those doorways.

My wife and I went out last weekend to knock on more doors. But this time, not because it was her idea. I don't know what it's going to do for the Obama campaign, but it's doing a lot for me.

Jonathan Curley is a banker. He voted for George H.W. Bush twice and George W. Bush once.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: microbial
I thought this article was close in spirit to the OPs.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html


My wife made me canvas for Obama; here's what I learned
This election is not about major policies. It's about hope.

By Jonathan Curley
from the November 3, 2008 edition
E-mail Print Letter to the Editor Republish del.icio.us digg
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

I encouraged my son to join the military. I was proud of him in Afghanistan, and happy when he came home, and angry when he was recalled because of the invasion of Iraq. I'm white, 55, I live in the South and I'm definitely going to get a bigger tax bill if Obama wins.

I am the dreaded swing voter.

So you can imagine my surprise when my wife suggested we spend a Saturday morning canvassing for Obama. I have never canvassed for any candidate. But I did, of course, what most middle-aged married men do: what I was told.

At the Obama headquarters, we stood in a group to receive our instructions. I wasn't the oldest, but close, and the youngest was maybe in high school. I watched a campaign organizer match up a young black man who looked to be college age with a white guy about my age to canvas together. It should not have been a big thing, but the beauty of the image did not escape me.

Instead of walking the tree-lined streets near our home, my wife and I were instructed to canvass a housing project. A middle-aged white couple with clipboards could not look more out of place in this predominantly black neighborhood.

We knocked on doors and voices from behind carefully locked doors shouted, "Who is it?"

"We're from the Obama campaign," we'd answer. And just like that doors opened and folks with wide smiles came out on the porch to talk.

Grandmothers kept one hand on their grandchildren and made sure they had all the information they needed for their son or daughter to vote for the first time.

Young people came to the door rubbing sleep from their eyes to find out where they could vote early, to make sure their vote got counted.

We knocked on every door we could find and checked off every name on our list. We did our job, but Obama may not have been the one who got the most out of the day's work.

I learned in just those three hours that this election is not about what we think of as the "big things."

It's not about taxes. I'm pretty sure mine are going to go up no matter who is elected.

It's not about foreign policy. I think we'll figure out a way to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan no matter which party controls the White House, mostly because the people who live there don't want us there anymore.

I don't see either of the candidates as having all the answers.

I've learned that this election is about the heart of America. It's about the young people who are losing hope and the old people who have been forgotten. It's about those who have worked all their lives and never fully realized the promise of America, but see that promise for their grandchildren in Barack Obama. The poor see a chance, when they often have few. I saw hope in the eyes and faces in those doorways.

My wife and I went out last weekend to knock on more doors. But this time, not because it was her idea. I don't know what it's going to do for the Obama campaign, but it's doing a lot for me.

Jonathan Curley is a banker. He voted for George H.W. Bush twice and George W. Bush once.

lol, another Obama article that promotes how great change will be but says nothing about where this magical change will come from. What exactly is going to change?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: microbial
I thought this article was close in spirit to the OPs.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html


My wife made me canvas for Obama; here's what I learned
This election is not about major policies. It's about hope.

By Jonathan Curley
from the November 3, 2008 edition
E-mail Print Letter to the Editor Republish del.icio.us digg
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

I encouraged my son to join the military. I was proud of him in Afghanistan, and happy when he came home, and angry when he was recalled because of the invasion of Iraq. I'm white, 55, I live in the South and I'm definitely going to get a bigger tax bill if Obama wins.

I am the dreaded swing voter.

So you can imagine my surprise when my wife suggested we spend a Saturday morning canvassing for Obama. I have never canvassed for any candidate. But I did, of course, what most middle-aged married men do: what I was told.

At the Obama headquarters, we stood in a group to receive our instructions. I wasn't the oldest, but close, and the youngest was maybe in high school. I watched a campaign organizer match up a young black man who looked to be college age with a white guy about my age to canvas together. It should not have been a big thing, but the beauty of the image did not escape me.

Instead of walking the tree-lined streets near our home, my wife and I were instructed to canvass a housing project. A middle-aged white couple with clipboards could not look more out of place in this predominantly black neighborhood.

We knocked on doors and voices from behind carefully locked doors shouted, "Who is it?"

"We're from the Obama campaign," we'd answer. And just like that doors opened and folks with wide smiles came out on the porch to talk.

Grandmothers kept one hand on their grandchildren and made sure they had all the information they needed for their son or daughter to vote for the first time.

Young people came to the door rubbing sleep from their eyes to find out where they could vote early, to make sure their vote got counted.

We knocked on every door we could find and checked off every name on our list. We did our job, but Obama may not have been the one who got the most out of the day's work.

I learned in just those three hours that this election is not about what we think of as the "big things."

It's not about taxes. I'm pretty sure mine are going to go up no matter who is elected.

It's not about foreign policy. I think we'll figure out a way to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan no matter which party controls the White House, mostly because the people who live there don't want us there anymore.

I don't see either of the candidates as having all the answers.

I've learned that this election is about the heart of America. It's about the young people who are losing hope and the old people who have been forgotten. It's about those who have worked all their lives and never fully realized the promise of America, but see that promise for their grandchildren in Barack Obama. The poor see a chance, when they often have few. I saw hope in the eyes and faces in those doorways.

My wife and I went out last weekend to knock on more doors. But this time, not because it was her idea. I don't know what it's going to do for the Obama campaign, but it's doing a lot for me.

Jonathan Curley is a banker. He voted for George H.W. Bush twice and George W. Bush once.

lol, another Obama article that promotes how great change will be but says nothing about where this magical change will come from. What exactly is going to change?

You want the Status Quo?

 

[First]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
According to the polls Obama is up by 11 in Iowa which means he should not even be there unless his campaign thinks the polls are off.

Makes you wonder what the inside the campaign polls look like.

Yep. It looks as though there are some cracks in the facade the media and dems have created.

No, it really doesn't. Obama stopped in Iowa for symbolic reasons -- this is where he started -- because the McCain campaign has been spending a lot of time and money here, so it's good strategy to stay visible, and probably most of all, because he was on his way home to spend Halloween with his kids and Iowa is right next door.

Uhhh... McCain has not spent a lot of time and money here - not even close to what BHO has. You can't turn on the TV here without seeing a BHO ad. Likely 3-4:1

But sure, you've repeated the BHO campaign's suggestion that it was symbolic...but you forgot the he was in the neighborhood line though... :roll:

Really? Care to back that up? I heard today that Iowa is one of the few states where McCain is outspending Obama. I haven't verified that, but I give it more credibility than the "3-4:1" Obama you almost certainly pulled out of your rectum.


Edit: I have to suggest for the hundredth time that you invest in that remedial reading course. Contrary to your flip "you forgot the he was in the neighborhood line", I did mention that as the most likely reason he chose to come to Iowa today. Here, let me bold it for you. It's funny how you so regularly chide others for not reading what you wrote, yet you are the consistently one of the worst offenders.

Learn to read moron. I said his ads were likely 3-4:1 because that's what I've seen when I've turned the TV on to local channels. Maybe it's due to the times I turn it on...

You learn to read, loon-boy. You asserted, and I quote, "McCain has not spent a lot of time and money here - not even close to what BHO has." As usual, you're either making shit up or lying. Either way, you're wrong. (Your subsequent attempt to spin your words is blatant lying, in my opinion.)

BTW, you apparently missed my edit. I added it back for you. You're welcome.

Yeah, I missed your edit but it doesn't change anything. My point was, you didn't hit the talking point. The talking point is in the neighborhood whereas you only had halloween and right next door. Sorry you didn't get it...

Again - learn to read - I responded to your incorrect blending of the two. Spending and ad play. You brought 3-4:1 into the money equation and I stated it was not correct since the 3-4:1 was ad play that I've seen on local tv. So while I may be incorrect on money spent state wide, your posts were incorrect due to you not being able to read what I post. Next time try to make sure you read what I post instead of trying to twist it and strip it of context.

BTW, there is another talking point on this too - it was to "make up" for skipping last week's stop to fly to Hawaii. But that only shifts the time - not the real reason for the Iowa stop.

Jesus H. Christ you suck hard at posting. :laugh:

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski
You want the Status Quo?

Tell what is so horrible about my life right now? Congress just gave me a $200 a month raise to my GI bill, I get free education thanks to the state of Illinois, and I work a part time job as an intern with a government contractor that deals with security clearances and isn't going anywhere. I don't own a home, because I ran the numbers twenty times and realized that I can't afford one, and I am enjoying paying less for all of my bills lately. Not a single family or friend is unemployed, and none of them are in a mortage crunch either. I pay out of pocket for health insurance, and I just tested it recently and was covered just fine.


So what fucking magical change is supposed to make things better? People under financial hardships are typically there because of their own actions, and people having financial success are generally there on their own accords as well, of course with a little bit of luck mixed in as well.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
You want the Status Quo?

Tell what is so horrible about my life right now? Congress just gave me a $200 a month raise to my GI bill, I get free education thanks to the state of Illinois, and I work a part time job as an intern with a government contractor that deals with security clearances and isn't going anywhere. I don't own a home, because I ran the numbers twenty times and realized that I can't afford one, and I am enjoying paying less for all of my bills lately. Not a single family or friend is unemployed, and none of them are in a mortage crunch either. I pay out of pocket for health insurance, and I just tested it recently and was covered just fine.


So what fucking magical change is supposed to make things better? People under financial hardships are typically there because of their own actions, and people having financial success are generally there on their own accords as well, of course with a little bit of luck mixed in as well.

That would be a "Yes"?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski
That would be a "Yes"?

Well of course certain things can be better, but certain things can always be worse too. Either way, Bush isn't running for election this year so things will "Change" no matter what.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
That would be a "Yes"?

Well of course certain things can be better, but certain things can always be worse too. Either way, Bush isn't running for election this year so things will "Change" no matter what.

You just answered your own question.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
That would be a "Yes"?

Well of course certain things can be better, but certain things can always be worse too. Either way, Bush isn't running for election this year so things will "Change" no matter what.

You just answered your own question.

Er, help me out because I still don't see exactly what is going to change.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
That would be a "Yes"?

Well of course certain things can be better, but certain things can always be worse too. Either way, Bush isn't running for election this year so things will "Change" no matter what.

You just answered your own question.

Er, help me out because I still don't see exactly what is going to change.

You just said it was.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
That would be a "Yes"?

Well of course certain things can be better, but certain things can always be worse too. Either way, Bush isn't running for election this year so things will "Change" no matter what.

You just answered your own question.

Er, help me out because I still don't see exactly what is going to change.

You just said it was.

The only question that I can find that I've posted in this thread was "So what fucking magical change is supposed to make things better?"

Then in a later post I posted "things will 'Change' no matter what"

That is not an answer to the question. Yes I admit that change will happen with any new president. If Nader wins, we will experience change. I just want to know what magical things that voters are expecting to change to make their lives or the United States so much better.

This isn't an attack on anyone except people voting in hopes of change without any idea about what is going to change. Generic terms like "a better economy" won't cut it either.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
That would be a "Yes"?

Well of course certain things can be better, but certain things can always be worse too. Either way, Bush isn't running for election this year so things will "Change" no matter what.

You just answered your own question.

Er, help me out because I still don't see exactly what is going to change.

You just said it was.

The only question that I can find that I've posted in this thread was "So what fucking magical change is supposed to make things better?"

Then in a later post I posted "things will 'Change' no matter what"

That is not an answer to the question. Yes I admit that change will happen with any new president. If Nader wins, we will experience change. I just want to know what magical things that voters are expecting to change to make their lives or the United States so much better.

This isn't an attack on anyone except people voting in hopes of change without any idea about what is going to change. Generic terms like "a better economy" won't cut it either.

Go to his Website, read about his Policy proposals.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
That would be a "Yes"?

Well of course certain things can be better, but certain things can always be worse too. Either way, Bush isn't running for election this year so things will "Change" no matter what.

You just answered your own question.

Er, help me out because I still don't see exactly what is going to change.

You just said it was.

The only question that I can find that I've posted in this thread was "So what fucking magical change is supposed to make things better?"

Then in a later post I posted "things will 'Change' no matter what"

That is not an answer to the question. Yes I admit that change will happen with any new president. If Nader wins, we will experience change. I just want to know what magical things that voters are expecting to change to make their lives or the United States so much better.

This isn't an attack on anyone except people voting in hopes of change without any idea about what is going to change. Generic terms like "a better economy" won't cut it either.

i believe the will of the American people is powerful enough to bring a change in the right direction. people living in fear are not as productive as inspired people with hope. i am sure there is probably a famous quote out there similar to that, but thats how i feel.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Go to his Website, read about his Policy proposals.

Way to avoid my question again.

Originally posted by: alien42

i believe the will of the American people is powerful enough to bring a change in the right direction. people living in fear are not as productive as inspired people with hope. i am sure there is probably a famous quote out there similar to that, but thats how i feel.

Can anyone answer my question? I'm not attacking Obama at all, but clearly his change advertising has worked.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Go to his Website, read about his Policy proposals.

Way to avoid my question again.

Originally posted by: alien42

i believe the will of the American people is powerful enough to bring a change in the right direction. people living in fear are not as productive as inspired people with hope. i am sure there is probably a famous quote out there similar to that, but thats how i feel.

Can anyone answer my question? I'm not attacking Obama at all, but clearly his change advertising has worked.

Way to avoid finding the answer.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Go to his Website, read about his Policy proposals.

Way to avoid my question again.

Originally posted by: alien42

i believe the will of the American people is powerful enough to bring a change in the right direction. people living in fear are not as productive as inspired people with hope. i am sure there is probably a famous quote out there similar to that, but thats how i feel.

Can anyone answer my question? I'm not attacking Obama at all, but clearly his change advertising has worked.

i thought i had, you asked about "magical change" and that is what i was responding to. i do not think it is necessarily his advertising that has worked, although that is a piece of the puzzle. inspiration is a powerful force.