Obama Preparing Immigration "Reform" - Citizenship for 12 Million Illegals

[Carmen813]

Bu Bu Buuuuuuush.

I know you like to do this anytime the former president is mentioned, but the fact is he had the popularity to do basically anything he wanted. It was squandered on a war that wasn't necessary. I for one thing that trillion dollars could have been better spent. Just calling it as I see it. Hell, a trillion bucks probably would have been enough to capture and deport 12 million people if you really wanted to.

As is, just another mess for the Democrats and Obama to clean up. I'm sure once a decision is made I'll find you in another thread going "Oh oh oh bama." Frankly the image the puts in my head scares me.

 

[K1052]

Why should we give them a permanent resident card with a path to citizenship? So they can start leeching SS and medicare? Do we really want 15 million more people added to our overburdened social programs?

So they can start paying taxes.

Closing off illegal immigration from Mexico for good will be well worth the costs. Once penalties are put in place that carry prison time (in addition to stiff fines) for people who employ illegals the work will dry up and the flow over the border the flow will stop.

 

[fskimospy]

Why should we give them a permanent resident card with a path to citizenship? So they can start leeching SS and medicare? Do we really want 15 million more people added to our overburdened social programs?

Illegal immigrants are overwhelmingly young. Their inclusion in the system would almost certainly make it MORE solvent, not less.

 

[K1052]

Register them for deportation. Mexico has zero problems with mass deportations of illegals. The US has an army and it's time to use it in our state of emergency instead of blowing up some stinky suicide bomber. I'm more than happy to welcome any proper immigrant to the US and the cost of deporting is a drop in the bucket to the uncontrolled invasion.

Deporting 15M people would be a challenge even if you knew where they all were. It simply can't be done without turning the entire US into a police state.

Papers please!

 

[Hacp]

Illegal immigrants are overwhelmingly young. Their inclusion in the system would almost certainly make it MORE solvent, not less.

Young and poor. They'll just dry up medicare because they won't have a job with health insurance.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh no, more pigs have come to our table and they didn't wait in line. They are going to ruin everything.

That's actually true.

 

[Argo]

So they can start paying taxes.

Closing off illegal immigration from Mexico for good will be well worth the costs. Once penalties are put in place that carry prison time (in addition to stiff fines) for people who employ illegals the work will dry up and the flow over the border the flow will stop.

Do illegal immigrants actually make enough money (on average of course) to contribute to the tax pool, vs being a drain on it? I don't have numbers (I don't even know what the break even point is), but my gut feeling would be no.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Clearly the OP must get his facts straight.

According to The #1 Site for Real-Time Illegal Immigration Statistics there are 22,564,906 Illegal Aliens in the US and they have wired $21,773,620,580 to Mexico since 2006.

 

[boomerang]

Clearly the OP must get his facts straight.

According to The #1 Site for Real-Time Illegal Immigration Statistics there are 22,564,906 Illegal Aliens in the US and they have wired $21,773,620,580 to Mexico since 2006.

You know that few here are going to see any problem with that information. All this talk is futile. This is going to happen because their votes are needed for the elections this fall.

Hell, if the opposition is minimal, the Dem's might just try to extend voting rights to everyone in Mexico. Borders? We don't need no stinkin' borders!

That link has some pretty mind-boggling data. But, Dem's don't worry about costs. What matters is intentions. Cost and success don't factor in.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Think of them as "Undocumented Democrats."

Yes, and we need them to offset all the deceased rebulicans that vote each year

The race is on! Can the dems get them illegals across the border and registered faster than the repubs can stuff ballot boxes and destroy minority votes? Only time will tell

 

[Jaskalas]

Maybe. If the Indians had known their future would they have not killed every white person that landed?

I just had to steal this little morsel from the other thread. Interesting thought, no? Well now we are the natives, what is it you advocate this time around?

 

[Throckmorton]

Yes there is a political motive. Its to get rid of the illegals so jobs can be freed for legal immigrants and citizens. Unemployment is at 10%, we don't need mexican citizens stealing them.

I thought Republicans are supposed to be the wealthy ones "creating jobs".... So aren't they the ones benefitting from illegal labor? The poltical motive is that they get to trumpet being "tough on illegal immigration" to win votes.


This stuff about "undocumented Democrats" is ridiculous. You people realize that Bush was trying to create a path to citizenship right? Do you not realize how conservative the average illegal immigrant is? /facepalm

I don't want them voting for Republicans so I say make them legal residents with a 50 year path to citizenship.

 

[rpanic]

If this goes through...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds

 

[cubeless]

Young and poor. They'll just dry up medicare because they won't have a job with health insurance.

and then they can bring parents over who've never had healthcare...

 

[sandorski]

Let's ship them all to Canada. Have fun.

If you had the capacity to Ship them, you wouldn't need to give them Amnesty. Fail.

 

[jonks]

I'm just waiting for McCain to come out strongly against this, then his transformation shall be complete.

 

[Ronstang]

Closing off illegal immigration from Mexico for good will be well worth the costs. Once penalties are put in place that carry prison time (in addition to stiff fines) for people who employ illegals the work will dry up and the flow over the border the flow will stop.

If that is true, and I agree that it is, why don't we simply do that now? No amnesty, not bullshit...just do it. The problem solves itself. The illegals here go home on their own since there are no more jobs. The costs would be lower than giving amnesty to millions of criminals that will simply become leeches in this wonderful economy. Real US citizens need the jobs NOW.

I know the short answer....the Dems want the votes so they can subjugate the whole country once and for all. They view another amnesty for the illegals as their trump card to steal the rest of the country.

 

[Red Dawn]

If that is true, and I agree that it is, why don't we simply do that now? No amnesty, not bullshit...just do it. The problem solves itself. The illegals here go home on their own since there are no more jobs. The costs would be lower than giving amnesty to millions of criminals that will simply become leeches in this wonderful economy. Real US citizens need the jobs NOW.

I know the short answer....the Dems want the votes so they can subjugate the whole country once and for all. They view another amnesty for the illegals as their trump card to steal the rest of the country.

Just think, more kids you can chase out of your neighborhood on Halloween

 

[Robor]

If that is true, and I agree that it is, why don't we simply do that now? No amnesty, not bullshit...just do it. The problem solves itself. The illegals here go home on their own since there are no more jobs. The costs would be lower than giving amnesty to millions of criminals that will simply become leeches in this wonderful economy. Real US citizens need the jobs NOW.

I know the short answer....the Dems want the votes so they can subjugate the whole country once and for all. They view another amnesty for the illegals as their trump card to steal the rest of the country.

That's why Regan did it and McCain was going to do it again, right? Never mind, I'm guessing you didn't read the thread. I need to start a list of right wing nut job tea baggers.

 

[boomerang]

The Dem's don't truly care if this goes through or not. This is nothing more than a diversion. A diversion on a grand scale.

This is an election year. In order to hold onto power, they must take the people's minds off of the problems we're facing right now. The problems that they are failing at.

Jobs, the economy, the deficit and our security are some of the key problems the administration is getting a failing grade on.

So, in order to get re-elected in order to retain power, there must be something to divert people's attention.

Immigration - and it's a truly brilliant move.

It's the perfect vehicle. The Dem's know the Repub's will oppose it. The Rebub's will oppose it for various reasons. Availability of jobs, fiscal responsibility, etc. Why they will oppose it means nothing because the outcry from the left will be - RACISM.

Nothing paralyzes an opponent better than calling him or her a racist. It's really pure genius on the part of the Dems.

Watch and see how it shakes out. Chicago politics at it's scummy best. There's no honor in this style of governing but scruples are not in the Dem's playbook. Winning at all costs is all that matters.

 

[K1052]

If that is true, and I agree that it is, why don't we simply do that now? No amnesty, not bullshit...just do it. The problem solves itself. The illegals here go home on their own since there are no more jobs. The costs would be lower than giving amnesty to millions of criminals that will simply become leeches in this wonderful economy. Real US citizens need the jobs NOW.

I know the short answer....the Dems want the votes so they can subjugate the whole country once and for all. They view another amnesty for the illegals as their trump card to steal the rest of the country.

It would probably spur a crime wave of epic proportions across the country. Not to mention the lowest possible costs for such a deportation are estimated to be in the 10s of billions of dollars (and we know how many govt projects come in on budget).

 

[Hacp]

It would probably spur a crime wave of epic proportions across the country. Not to mention the lowest possible costs for such a deportation are estimated to be in the 10s of billions of dollars (and we know how many govt projects come in on budget).

Lets just ship them to Canada. If these illegals are so wonderful and valuable to the US economy, I'm sure Canada would accept them with open arms....

 

[sandorski]

Lets just ship them to Canada. If these illegals are so wonderful and valuable to the US economy, I'm sure Canada would accept them with open arms....

Fail again.

 

[nobodyknows]

If you had the capacity to Ship them, you wouldn't need to give them Amnesty. Fail.

Maybe, then again maybe not. We now have a fairly large Hispanic population in our county. Maybe 10%?? We're 1500 miles from Mexico but only 500 miles from Canada. Your safe from the killer bees because they don't like the cold but the Hispanics don't seem to mind it any more then anybody else.

Give it a few years and you too will get the joy of illegal aliens.

 

[Vic]

If that is true, and I agree that it is, why don't we simply do that now? No amnesty, not bullshit...just do it. The problem solves itself. The illegals here go home on their own since there are no more jobs. The costs would be lower than giving amnesty to millions of criminals that will simply become leeches in this wonderful economy. Real US citizens need the jobs NOW.

I know the short answer....the Dems want the votes so they can subjugate the whole country once and for all. They view another amnesty for the illegals as their trump card to steal the rest of the country.

Ah... but the REAL answer is that it can't be done. The cost would make the bailouts look puny, and the final results just as rosy. Anti-immigration is the right-wing version of welfare.