Obama Preparing Immigration "Reform" - Citizenship for 12 Million Illegals

[Dari]

It's pathetic how people here like to classify this as a Democrat v Republican thing. The truth is both groups are selling out this country. The Democrats are doing it out of empathy and pressure from their Latino base. The Republicans are the ones that brought these illegal immigrants here in the first place. If anyone here takes the time to read Mexican newspapers, you will see countless ads by corporations encouraging Mexicans to come to this country and work. Also, isn't it strange that despite countless ICE raids, they rarely touch or punish the large corporations that hire these illegals? If the government gave a damn about illegal immigration, it would kill it at it's source. No, it isn't the border. It's the corporations that entice them to come here and work.

 

[stateofbeasley]

80% of Americans are against amnesty but our congress critters will do it anyway. Done deal. Republicans, being the mercantilist party for cheap labor for their buddies at Tyson et al and as a way to sink labor unions once and for all. what a better way than import viturally limitless unskilled labor. Make no mistake 12 million is just ones here, does not include inevitable 'family' reunification which will follow nor the children who are already classified as citizens. Democrats are doing it for votes.

We will be a third world country. And like all third world coutries including Mexico 10% is very rich and the rest live in squalor. Prepare. Won't be all bad for 10%ers....

Exactly.

The Democrats are ahead where it comes to the Hispanic vote, so of course they will support anything that solidifies this lead. Even if it means that illegal immigrants continue to depress wages, drive without insurance or licenses, and consume taxpayer services.

The Republicans are simply losers who bash illegal immigrants out of one side of their mouth to pacify their enraged & fearful white nativist base, while giving a wink and a nod to their corporate sponsors.

 

[Patranus]

It's pathetic how people here like to classify this as a Democrat v Republican thing. The truth is both groups are selling out this country. The Democrats are doing it out of empathy and pressure from their Latino base. The Republicans are the ones that brought these illegal immigrants here in the first place. If anyone here takes the time to read Mexican newspapers, you will see countless ads by corporations encouraging Mexicans to come to this country and work. Also, isn't it strange that despite countless ICE raids, they rarely touch or punish the large corporations that hire these illegals? If the government gave a damn about illegal immigration, it would kill it at it's source. No, it isn't the border. It's the corporations that entice them to come here and work.

Then again, you have the government telling these companies they cannot ask the legal status of their workers.....

 

[Zebo]

I don't think the opposition falls along partisan lines. I think the opposition is based on the first portion of that proposal not happening, thus making the second part of the solution completely pointless... and costly.

I agree with any opposition to half-assed proposals -- not because of party affiliation (I have none), or some sort of objection to a bill that hasn't even been written yet, but because it seems rather obvious that the border must be totally and completely locked down before any amnesty can be effectively dolled out.

To this day, I have yet to see a proposal, by any party, that would finally and effectively secure our southern border -- not one. The "right" is too addicted to their cheap labor pool, and the "left" is too addicted to their Latin constituents.

So, now what? More of the same stalemate "legislation"? Swell...

Yup - could be done trivially with same back ground checks credit reporting agencies use, but use it on I9 submissions. Credit agencies know instantly weather SS or DRL is false, duplicate, or otherwise compromised. But no not our IRS. They won't get back to you for months then only ask for additional documentation of suspected duplicate SS number. No jobs no come.

This lack of simple legislation and throwing hands up at problem as if nothing can be done is on purpose.

 

[palehorse]

I find it strange that in some issues people shriek for bipartisan solutions (that are inevitably these sort of halfway solutions), but on other things seem to view bipartisan solutions as weak.

I believe you are an advocate for bipartisan legislation on health care (correct me if I'm wrong), and you appear to be against the bipartisan compromise on immigration that we currently use. Why the difference?

That's simple, I examine each and every "problem" on its own. If the solution to any one problem, or another, happens to be "partisan" in nature, or not, then that's just the way I see the issue. Immigration doesn't strike me as an issue that is partisan in nature. As far as I'm concerned, neither party should encourage or court illegal immigration, period.

As for healthcare legislation, I'd settle for "good" legislation, regardless of participation by any particular party. Thus far, I haven't seen anything of the sort.

IOW, there's no rule of thumb to follow for how/why I feel about any particular issue... I believe this is sometimes referred to as "open-mindedness," but I could be wrong.

 

[Dari]

Then again, you have the government telling these companies they cannot ask the legal status of their workers.....

You think the government made that decision on its own? You don't think corporate lobbyists had anything to do with it? Sometimes these corporations write their own laws and hand it to bought lawmakers.

 

[marincounty]

Think of them as "Undocumented Democrats."

I knew I should have voted for the other guy, oh wait, he was for amnesty, too.

I wish we had politicians with principles, like Reagan, oh wait, he legalized 6 million illegals.

Pretending Republicans are any better at combatting illegal immigration is a lie. I would like to see legal immigration reduced as well.

 

[Zebo]

I knew I should have voted for the other guy, oh wait, he was for amnesty, too.

I wish we had politicians with principles, like Reagan, oh wait, he legalized 6 million illegals.

Pretending Republicans are any better at combatting illegal immigration is a lie. I would like to see legal immigration reduced as well.

You won't in 5-10 when SS is not being paid out - or value paid out is worthless. We are in for some interesting times ahead.

 

[ebaycj]

Think of them as "Undocumented Democrats."

Nah, the dems are just trying for "first hispanic president" to immediately follow the two terms of the "first black president".

At this rate, it'll probably work.

 

[marincounty]

You won't in 5-10 when SS is not being paid out - or value paid out is worthless. We are in for some interesting times ahead.

SS can be made solvent forever just by extending the tax upward on all earned income, and a surcharge on unearned income. I reject the idea that the country needs to forever grow in population.

 

[BoberFett]

80% of Americans are against amnesty but our congress critters will do it anyway. Done deal. Republicans, being the mercantilist party for cheap labor for their buddies at Tyson et al and as a way to sink labor unions once and for all. what a better way than import viturally limitless unskilled labor. Make no mistake 12 million is just ones here, does not include inevitable 'family' reunification which will follow nor the children who are already classified as citizens. Democrats are doing it for votes.

We will be a third world country. And like all third world coutries including Mexico 10% is very rich and the rest live in squalor. Prepare. Won't be all bad for 10%ers....

It does make one wonder why trade unions continue to take their marching orders from Democrats. I have several of friends in residential construction and they have lost a significant amount of work to companies who underbid them significantly and then bring in a small army of Mexicans and bang out a job in a few hours. I guess the unions are just clinging to the Democrats hoping to see UHC come through so at least they will all have medical benefits when they're on welfare.

 

[Robor]

Amnesty is the only way to deal with those already in the country. It's pointless though if the Border still allows millions more to cross.

Bullshit. My wife and I have been dealing with the abomination that is the USCIS for over 3 years now and we're still over a year and another big $$ fee away from her US citizenship. I don't have a problem with giving *non criminal* illegals a path to citizenship but if they get to skip the forms, fees, and waiting periods I'll be fucking pissed.

 

[sandorski]

Bullshit. My wife and I have been dealing with the abomination that is the USCIS for over 3 years now and we're still over a year and another big $$ fee away from her US citizenship. I don't have a problem with giving *non criminal* illegals a path to citizenship but if they get to skip the forms, fees, and waiting periods I'll be fucking pissed.

Sorry about the frustration, but what I said was not BS.

 

[Zebo]

It does make one wonder why trade unions continue to take their marching orders from Democrats. I have several of friends in residential construction and they have lost a significant amount of work to companies who underbid them significantly and then bring in a small army of Mexicans and bang out a job in a few hours. I guess the unions are just clinging to the Democrats hoping to see UHC come through so at least they will all have medical benefits when they're on welfare.

Like I said interesting times ahead. There is no UHC, welfare, section 8, SS, etc without payrolls.

 

[Carmen813]

We should not sustain an underclass in this nation. Especially not one with a bare minimum of 3x the entire population of my state. A bill that resolves that is a good thing.

On the other hand, I do not want the United States transformed into Del Norte. Those whose grandparents were part of our greatest generation who fought in WW2 will soon become a minority with no control of their nation.

The immigrants of the world should not be free to usurp the indigenous population. We've become a minority in our own land just as the natives did before us.

I hear yah, I mean, no one lived here before 1492 right? This is probably the best that can be done about a bad situation...unless someone is suggesting a better idea than rounding up 12 million people and deporting them.

 

[Carmen813]

Exactly.

The Democrats are ahead where it comes to the Hispanic vote, so of course they will support anything that solidifies this lead. Even if it means that illegal immigrants continue to depress wages, drive without insurance or licenses, and consume taxpayer services.

The Republicans are simply losers who bash illegal immigrants out of one side of their mouth to pacify their enraged & fearful white nativist base, while giving a wink and a nod to their corporate sponsors.

Until a very short time ago Hispanics leaned Republican. You can't really blame people for deserting a party that wanted nothing to do with them.

 

[Zebo]

I hear yah, I mean, no one lived here before 1492 right? This is probably the best that can be done about a bad situation...unless someone is suggesting a better idea than rounding up 12 million people and deporting them.

Only an idiot would spend resources on a simple problem (like that retarded fence Bush is building). They would self deport with no jobs and no social services. Both easily done with a stroke of pen.

 

[Robor]

Sorry about the frustration, but what I said was not BS.

Yeah, it is. WTF is the point of spending all the time and money with legal citizenship if illegals are going to get it for free?

 

[CanOWorms]

That's one of the things i really like about you, withheld judgement until the facts are in.

Personally, i really don't care much except for one thing, i want to see canofworms victory dance now that the US has finally almost... well if you do this 20 times over you will have... caugth up with the EU nations.

I'm not sure what you're looking for. You need to be more specific. Are you talking about amnesty? The US has had amnesty before, such as in 1983.

There is an important fundamental difference between the immigration issues in the US and Europe: Europe has a much larger refugee problem. The United States which has a more pure immigration problem. Europeans tend not to understand the difference between refugee and immigrant and thus violate international laws.

 

[Hacp]

The hand of the Free Market does not bend to the law.



Unfortunately, corporations and businesses FAVOR illegal immigrants because it means higher productivity and less wages paid out.

Capitalism, like technology, cannot easily be controlled by the government. Illegal immigrants will continue to stream across the border as long as there is market demand for their services.

You lower the minimum wage, thousands of people will be applying for those low wage jobs. Its not that Americans don't want the jobs, its that Americans can't work for less than the minimum wage. As I said before, send the Mexican Citizens back to their country.

 

[Carmen813]

Only an idiot would spend resources on a simple problem (like that retarded fence Bush is building). They would self deport with no jobs and no social services. Both easily done with a stroke of pen.

Well Bush did good work fixing the abundance of jobs problem. Couldn't we just make them citizens and start collecting taxes? Or is the assumption that none of them are capable of earning enough money to pay taxes? Maybe we could hire them to build the fence.

 

[Hacp]

Well Bush did good work fixing the abundance of jobs problem. Couldn't we just make them citizens and start collecting taxes? Or is the assumption that none of them are capable of earning enough money to pay taxes? Maybe we could hire them to build the fence.

The solution is to drive them out and then have legal immigrants and american citizens stationed at those positions. Then, we can happily collect taxes from the jobs.

Thinking of solutions to the problem, we should "declare" amnesty, have them all gather up at one place, then march them all back to the border. There, you got amnesty. You don't go to jail for being in here illegally.

 

[sandorski]

Yeah, it is. WTF is the point of spending all the time and money with legal citizenship if illegals are going to get it for free?

Like I said, sorry. There's no alternative to dealing with some 12(ish)million Illegals than Amnesty.

 

[Hacp]

Like I said, sorry. There's no alternative to dealing with some 12(ish)million Illegals than Amnesty.

Yes there is. Drive them out. No sob stories, if you're an illegal, you get shipped south of the border. You look at North Korea, they have armed guards protecting both sides of their border. Anyone they catch coming in goes to a concentration camp where they work 15 hard hours of manual labor a day.

 

[sandorski]

Yes there is. Drive them out. No sob stories, if you're an illegal, you get shipped south of the border. You look at North Korea, they have armed guards protecting both sides of their border. Anyone they catch coming in goes to a concentration camp where they work 15 hard hours of manual labor a day.

You're a nutball.