Obama Preparing Immigration "Reform" - Citizenship for 12 Million Illegals

[nobodyknows]

I'm sure that thoughts of racism wouldn't come up much if it weren't for the anti-immigrants claiming that the task of deporting 12+ million people would be easy, simple, and relatively inexpensive.

Nobody I know is claiming that. It's people like you who are tryoing to make it sound like an immpossible task when clearly it is not.

 

[Vic]

Why haven't we gone back to the moon?

 

[marincounty]

I'm sure that thoughts of racism wouldn't come up much if it weren't for the anti-immigrants claiming that the task of deporting 12+ million people would be easy, simple, and relatively inexpensive.

Nothing worthwhile is ever easy. Somehow we have the funds to arrest nearly one million potsmokers every year. I'm just asking for a similar effort to deport those here illegally.

 

[Vic]

Nobody I know is claiming that. It's people like you who are tryoing to make it sound like an immpossible task when clearly it is not.

Clearly? How is that? Do tell.

And just about every anti-immigration poster has claimed that it would be easy. Hell, there's even been a number of cost-benefit comparisons made in this thread. What thread have you been reading?

 

[Vic]

Nothing worthwhile is ever easy. Somehow we have the funds to arrest nearly one million potsmokers every year. I'm just asking for a similar effort to deport those here illegally.

Why do either? Either way, you're just wasting our tax monies for a pointless and irrational agenda.

 

[nobodyknows]

Why haven't we gone back to the moon?

What does that matter? We went there and we came back safely.

Instead of asking stupid questions why don't you explain how giving citizenship to the illegals while not securing our border will give us any differe3nt results then when Reagan did it. With the tough economy doing so would probably be political suicide for thje Democrats. Not that they will let a little fact like that keep them from cutting off their nose to spite their face. After all that does seem to be their specialty.

 

[nobodyknows]

Clearly? How is that? Do tell.

And just about every anti-immigration poster has claimed that it would be easy. Hell, there's even been a number of cost-benefit comparisons made in this thread. What thread have you been reading?

Fail.

 

[Vic]

What does that matter? We went there and we came back safely.

Instead of asking stupid questions why don't you explain how giving citizenship to the illegals while not securing our border will give us any differe3nt results then when Reagan did it. With the tough economy doing so would probably be political suicide for thje Democrats. Not that they will let a little fact like that keep them from cutting off their nose to spite their face. After all that does seem to be their specialty.

We got poorer under Reagan? Oh wait, no we didn't. So what's the problem again?

 

[rpanic]

We got poorer under Reagan? Oh wait, no we didn't. So what's the problem again?

Fail on so many levels.

We got richer under Reagan, our countries debt went out of control, savings rates dropped. We have been living on debt and bubbles since Reagan. Reaganomics was a failure. But talking about whether we were richer or poorer under Reagan is off topic.

Amnesty is not some grand new experiment, it’s been done before and was a complete failure on every level and now we have far more people, mostly from the same place wanting to get a free pass again. And because of the way our immigration system is set up for reunification instead of the need for skilled and educated labor, we will also get all the people related to all of the poor and uneducated people that get amnesty. Why in the world would we want to do the same thing again knowing it is going to end up being a failure?

Only a failure would repeat a failure, learn from mistakes and end the cycle.

 

[Vic]

Yes, because every wave of immigration to this country has been an economic failure. Damned Irish! :|

 

[First]

Nobody I know is claiming that. It's people like you who are tryoing to make it sound like an immpossible task when clearly it is not.

It's next to impossible and it's why a president or Congress will never, ever commit political suicide by doing it. A supermajority of the country is against blanket deportation.

Nothing worthwhile is ever easy. Somehow we have the funds to arrest nearly one million potsmokers every year. I'm just asking for a similar effort to deport those here illegally.

You would deport 7 million illegals who have 2 million legally born U.S. citizen children from the U.S., and leave those kids, uh, where exactly?

 

[CanOWorms]

The REASON we have such a great refugee problem is because the US won't let them within their borders at all.

Most refugees from European-induced colonialism don't have the means to fly to another country. Sometimes the United States has flown in entire persecuted European ethnic groups to the US for relocation though.

Of course, such small things as bombing the sheit out of their village and thinking that maybe the surviving children might need somewhere to go is not on the US agenda.

Most European refugees are not from Iraq or Afghanistan.

So they come to Europe where they are usually welcomed unless there is a problem.

Unfortunately, their existence is viewed as a problem itself by European communities. Claiming that they are welcomed is just too ridiculous.

The biggest problem is that out of 114 million people that the US have estranged from their homes the EU has to deal with and quite frankly, we don't have the resources to deal with US mistakes all on our own. That is why you see those detestable parties around europe, they never get very far, i think one of them made parliment for the first time but since they are outvoted by 90+ percent it really dosn't matter, the KKK in the US is a bigger organisation than any of those parties are in any one nation in Europe.

Many of the refugees come from former colonies of the slavemaster states.

You obviously have no idea what's happening in European politics. Not only do you need to care about far-right parties, but far-right ideas are penetrating mainstream political parties. They have to compete for votes.

Minaret bans, burka bans, veil bans, religious restrictions, language restrictions, name restrictions, etc. are all over.

I don't know why i'm taking the time to explain this to you, you already know it, you just troll about your hatred for the EU and that is all you do so this post is wasted anyway.

Yes, I hate the EU and various European policies and most rational people would agree with me. It has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions if not billions of people throughout history. It's like hating the Nazis.

Next up, COW tells me how racist i am for being a Brit.

Sorry, I don't know too many personal details about you. You certainly are extremely nationalistic though. Your attitude certainly promotes the xenophobic atmosphere so pervasive within Europe. You refuse to acknowledge it, instead choosing to deflect it into beliefs of the US. I wonder what it would take, short of a complete genocide, for you to stand up.

 

[nobodyknows]

It's next to impossible and it's why a president or Congress will never, ever commit political suicide by doing it. A supermajority of the country is against blanket deportation.

Then who decides who gets to stay and who has to go? That would be even more difficult then just deporting them all. Years and years of court appeals. Like Obama's Aunt who is still here last I knew.

You would deport 7 million illegals who have 2 million legally born U.S. citizen children from the U.S., and leave those kids, uh, where exactly?

Obviously they would have to go with their parents, just like that Cuban kid went back to Cuba.

 

[shadow9d9]

So? More taxes.

 

[First]

Then who decides who gets to stay and who has to go? That would be even more difficult then just deporting them all. Years and years of court appeals. Like Obama's Aunt who is still here last I knew.

It's tough to do it and should depend entirely on the circumstances. If you're a criminal you should certainly be deported, for example.

Obviously they would have to go with their parents, just like that Cuban kid went back to Cuba.

Huh? Why would you deport American citizens?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

It's tough to do it and should depend entirely on the circumstances. If you're a criminal you should certainly be deported, for example.



Huh? Why would you deport American citizens?

They shouldn't be "citizens" as their parents were here illegally. Unfortunately due to lax enforcement of the law and feel good morons - they've been allowing anchor babies for quite some time.

I wonder what other laws we shouldn't enforce because they are logistically difficult...

 

[First]

They shouldn't be "citizens" as their parents were here illegally. Unfortunately due to lax enforcement of the law and feel good morons - they've been allowing anchor babies for quite some time.

I wonder what other laws we shouldn't enforce because they are logistically difficult...

Hate to break it to you, but nothing in the Constitution says you can't be a natural born citizen simply because one/both of your parent's citizenship is questionable or outright illegal. The founding fathers just weren't nearly that stupid to write in such a disclaimer.

 

[Zebo]

What about the illegals who can speak English? What about all the legal naturalized citizens who don't speak English? The US does not have a national language (nor should it), and speaking English is not a requirement of citizenship. So what about them? Or would accidental wrongful deportations of thousands of legal citizens just be collateral damage to you in the war against illegal immigration?

The reality of the matter is that deporting 12 million people is not at all simple. Quite the opposite, I argue that it would be impossible without Americans sacrificing ALL the rights and freedoms they hold dear. That might not concern you, but it does me.

Bullshit. What is this crap about 'deporations' ? It's a total strawman and not needed. All you have to do is implement instant i9 checks like credit agencies use. With no one able to hire them they would go home having no jobs or access to social welfare.

Are you dense? How can anyone not understand this?

 

[Vic]

Bullshit. What is this crap about 'deporations' ? It's a total strawman and not needed. All you have to do is implement instant i9 checks like credit agencies use. With no one able to hire them they would go home having no jobs or access to social welfare.

Are you dense? How can anyone not understand this?

I understand quite well that all that would happen with your proposed scenario is that there would be an increase in trabajos que pagar en effectivo.

Are you dense? Do you think everyone has a W-2/I-9 job?

 

[peonyu]

That 12 million number has been flung around since the late 1990's. I know quoting a smaller number makes the amnesty case easier to get passed...but really the number of illegals is probably closer to 30 million by now if not more. I just dont believe that illegals stopped hopping the border fence once the year changed to 2000.

 

[Zebo]

I understand quite well that all that would happen with your proposed scenario is that there would be an increase in trabajos que pagar en effectivo.

Are you dense? Do you think everyone has a W-2/I-9 job?

Yeah right. Good luck with jeopardizing your business with IRS audit by paying in cash. I could see McDonalds paying in white envelopes every Friday.

 

[Vic]

Yeah right. Good luck with jeopardizing your business with IRS audit by paying in cash. I could see McDonalds paying in white envelopes every Friday.

No, I don't see McDonalds or any legitimate business doing that. Nice straw man yourself. Obviously, you don't know enough to debate this issue, or maybe it's just because you're incapable of realizing that your pretty little perfect fix is about the stupidest thing ever.

Countless small businesses and self-employed individuals in the US already pay in cash. What is your plan to stop that? Force every homeowner to I-9 the guy who mows their lawn? Yeah, right.

 

[Zebo]

No, I don't see McDonalds or any legitimate business doing that. Nice straw man yourself. Obviously, you don't know enough to debate this issue, or maybe it's just because you're incapable of realizing that your pretty little perfect fix is about the stupidest thing ever.

Countless small businesses and self-employed individuals in the US already pay in cash. What is your plan to stop that? Force every homeowner to I-9 the guy who mows their lawn? Yeah, right.

They aint very smart small businessman, probably shit birds without a pot to piss in so they don't worry. All it takes is one injury, one savvy employee, one loose tongue, and they go straight to jail for evasion. Seen it many times.

Your simple under the table mantra comprises almost nothing to the illegal take home pay. No instead it's companies advertising in Mexico, the farmers, the slaughter houses, the retail establishments all would conform.

 

[Vic]

They aint very smart small businessman, probably shit birds without a pot to piss in so they don't worry. All it takes is one injury, one savvy employee, one loose tongue, and they go straight to jail for evasion. Seen it many times.

Your simple under the table mantra comprises almost nothing to the illegal take home pay. No instead it's companies advertising in Mexico, the farmers, the slaughter houses, the retail establishments all would conform.

You're living in a fantasy world.

 

[peonyu]

No, I don't see McDonalds or any legitimate business doing that. Nice straw man yourself. Obviously, you don't know enough to debate this issue, or maybe it's just because you're incapable of realizing that your pretty little perfect fix is about the stupidest thing ever.

Countless small businesses and self-employed individuals in the US already pay in cash. What is your plan to stop that? Force every homeowner to I-9 the guy who mows their lawn? Yeah, right.

This is true. I worked construction for a few years in Miami. And my boss gave me 2 options upfront - Cash or check ? I chose a check since i wanted to have some work history built up reliably...But took cash the first 2 weeks. The difference ? I recieved around 1-200$ more by going cash.

I was the only beloved patriot on the outfit there [out of 40 some people] and i suspect it was to keep the company from looking to suspicious...As for my "co-workers', they for the most part, could say hello in english and beyond that very little. They took Cash and were definately illegal. Boss didnt care, authorities didnt seem to care either. Dont ask dont tell pretty much.

And people wonder how its possible we have 30+ million illegals in the country...Its because business wants them, and im sure large business's have no problem paying some money to keep local authorities off thier backs if it comes down to it.

Same deal with alot of Restaurants...I was a cook at a large restaurant in Ft.lauderdale, and I recieved a check [no cash option for me there], but the busboys/dishwasher recieved cash. No english skills among them. So this is not a rare occurence, from what ive seen in any large metro area...probably half of all restaurants employ illegals, and most construction companies. Im sure it is more blatant in S.west states as opposed to Florida, as were not a border state. take that for what its worth.