Obama Makes Another Threat

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well call it lemon Law bullshit if you will, but the cell phone video is coming out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...WTUeXkqMVIkFMAaQas0NUE

Dead children, dead children, and dead children with their heads blown off. All in the name of God and the Nato way. I have one damn question, who is going to take ownership for this? Are we going to blame the Taliban when there is no proof that even a single Taliban fighter was killed and its clearly American bombs doing this.

Seriously, are we hiring human beings to do our fighting or is Nato now Lt. Calley, Linde England, and Charles Granger all wrapped up in one. If this were an isolated incident this might be one thing, but its not.

I do not recognize my country if this is what we do on a routine basis. Please tell me that someone will be called home to face a Courts Marshall for this planning in Azizabad.

Meanwhile, maybe you sadists can enjoy the deaths of children, plenty of video for you to enjoy. Have we killed enough civilians yet? Is this the raid JOS so proudly planned? I love Nato intel, it takes no intelligence, just technology, an admixture of total gullibility, a healthy mixture of moral bankruptcy, and a total denial that the cure is sometimes worse than the disease itself. And heavens forbid, that we would ever think there might be a smarter way because a military solutions is always best. And after six years of failure of the military solution, the failure is not in using enough brute force yet.

Ok, add that to the list, sadist, child murderer and rapist so far.

Got more?

I am ME, i'm not the collective of idiots that you refer to, they deserve nothing but a fair trial and if convicted, an 870 and a place to say their last prayers, i have no respect for these people, but they are NOT me.

Do you HONESTLY think that a twat sitting in a far away land can affect me more than a few minutes of feeling really sad about accusations that don't fit?

I can tell you one thing, you don't get a Taliban stronghold amongst civilians without killing civilians, this is fairly known, what YOU don't get is that while i feel sad for the needless loss of life the Talibans cheer right now, loss of civilian life is their greatest victory and our greatest loss in this war.

Perhaps you should try to understand the situation such as it has been explained to you, this ISN'T Vietnam, this ISN'T about killing civilians for the hell of it.

I'd say you are supporting the Taliban movement with your actions.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Blunc

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Blunc
perhaps we should just do as green bean wants, America should just quit being the "police of the world"....and while the USA is no longer giving the smackdown to tyrants that invade Kuwait anymore then maybe the USA will just quit giving out billions in aid to every country that has their needy little hands out.
no more superior weapons sold to anyone
no more earthquake relief
no more rebuilding countries that attacked the USA first
no more oil dependency...period! you have no power over us if we don't need your stuff!

who will the rest of the world go crying to if/when the USA says "ENOUGH!"?, China...Russia...Venezuela....Switzerland...Iraq...Iran?

I think it would be a real "eye opener" for the rest of the world if the USA just took all their marbles and went home for just one year, no assistance to or from anyone.

Considering there are more than 100 countries and we have piss poor support i don't really think we'd miss you that much since there are a 100 country big airforce ready to get in the air.

There is NOT ONE American who has crossed the border on ground, perhaps you should think about that before you dismiss the troops that actually do something besides driving prisoners and diplomats?

I'm in a pissy mood, no offence palehorse?

I'm confused as to which side you're on here.

(time to release the sharks with laser beams....)

I'm SAS, working in the border area but lately mostly inside of Pakistan, does that answer your question on who's side i am on?

What i am asking for are more boots on the ground, Airforce is doing their part extremely well, (as to be expected, airforce is as always better).

my BULLSHIT meter just pegged.

sorry pal, no SAS troop would ever say info like that in a public forum.

1. I'm not a troop, i'm a Captain of the SAS.

2. It's public information that we've been there along with elite groups from both the US and one other country (i don't know if i can disclose what other country so i won't) since July, if you ask other members of this forum, they will tell you that i was supposed to be home before that but was recalled for this mission and i have given out tidbits of information (unimportant info) ever since, some people knew exactly what i was talking about, most just ignored it because it didn't make much sense to them.

The funny thing is, it's all over the news now and you can read about it for yourself, if you have the time or the honesty to do so, you can apologise at any time.

Still need more purple though, and some green.

 

[Lemon law]

So, JOS refuses to take any ownership of Azizabad, its some other idiots inside of Nato. So the clear solution is to label out Nato personnel with hats that either say G for genius or I for idiot. And that way the non Taliban non Al-Quida people inside of Afghanistan and tribal areas of Pakistan can tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys in Nato?

And truth be told, only JOS can wear that G cap, because he is a true surgeon with a sledgehammer, unerringly minimizing civilian collateral damage. And now Atlas unbound, JOS and his group can now expand activities to terrorism central which lies inside of the tribal areas of Pakistan.

And because I question the tactics and methods of Nato, that makes me a " Taliban movement supporter. "

Maybe its time to quit the battle of personalities and consider the larger question. Which is how to win the larger war on terrorism, a tactic that is an equal opportunity employer, a tactic that is over 6000 years old, and is now a battle the " civilized world" is fighting all over the world. In Iraq, in Afghanistan, in the Tribal areas of Pakistan, in the mid-east, in Chechnya, in Somalia, in South America, Africa, parts of Asia, and that is just a partial list.

In all due respects JOS, you are an honest advocate of the military solution. The sad part is that the military solution has historically been a poor way to address the terrorism problem. And by any superficial analysis, our current war on terrorism is motivating new terrorists at a far faster rate than our Nato armed forces are killing existing ones. And unlike a conventional war, there is no terrorists capital to take and occupy, because terrorists may congregate in certain safe areas, but as soon as those areas become unsafe, they can move ANYWHERE safer which may well be back into areas where Nato army control was fairly strong but is now greatly weakened as Nato spreads itself too thin.

And far from being a fan of the Taliban movement, we both share the same goals, but look at the tactics needed to win far differently. Because I look at it from a motivational point of view. And if our tactics motivate more people to become terrorists, or to indirectly or indirectly support the Taliban or Al-Quida, we will clearly lose. Something neither of us wants.

And the judge and jury of those questions are always the people being occupied, and not the occupier.

 

[The Green Bean]

JOS is a liar.

Nato not to take part in US raids inside Pakistan

BRUSSELS: Nato will not take part in a proposed US strategy of conducting raids into Pakistan from Afghanistan against Taliban and Al Qaeda militants, a spokesman said on Thursday.

?The Nato policy, that is our mandate, ends at the border,? James Appathurai told a regular news briefing.

?There are no ground or air incursions by Nato forces into Pakistani territory.?

Nato states would discuss the issue, Appathurai said, but he added: ?Let me stress, it is not Nato that will be sending its forces across the border.?

The 26 Nato defence ministers will hold an informal meeting on Sept 18-19 in London, but Appathurai said the next opportunity for them to discuss Afghan operations would be at a ministerial meeting in Budapest on Oct 9-10.

The spokesman said a solution needed to be found to growing extremism in tribal areas of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan.

?Pakistan needs to take effective action in cooperation with the rest of the international community and the Afghans to address the problem that is increasingly threatening Pakistan?s stability as well as Afghanistan?s,? he said.

Nato leads a force of some 53,000 troops in Afghanistan. A separate US force is also battling militants in the country.?Reuters

Gilani, corps commanders endorse Kayani?s stand: Nation told not to get upset by US threats


By Syed Irfan Raza and Iftikhar A. Khan


ISLAMABAD, Sept 11: The government expressed its determination on Thursday to defend the country?s borders in the wake of increasing air attacks by US-led forces on tribal areas and American and British demands that international security forces be allowed to target what they call Al Qaeda ?sanctuaries? in areas bordering Afghanistan.

?We would take all possible steps to safeguard the country?s borders,? Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza

Gilani told reporters after laying the foundation of the Zero Point interchange here on Thursday.

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

Commenting on Chief of the Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani?s statement that the country?s borders would be defended at all cost and no external force would be allowed to conduct operations inside Pakistan, the prime minister said the statement of the army chief reflected the government policy. The government had the same views as expressed by the army chief on defending the country?s sovereignty and integrity, he added.

COMMANDERS ENDORSE stand: Top army commanders on Thursday discussed the national security situation with reference to threats of US incursions in the tribal areas and endorsed the army chief?s statement about defending the country?s sovereignty.

A meeting of corps commanders was held against the backdrop of a change in the US strategy in the region and US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen?s remarks indicating possibility of more air strikes inside Pakistan ?to prevent more attacks on the American people?.

Although, no official statement was released by the ISPR after the first day of the conference, sources told Dawn that the corps commanders had fully endorsed the policy statement given by Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani that no foreign country was allowed to conduct military operations inside Pakistan.

The meeting discussed the situation in areas bordering Afghanistan, the statement by the Nato spokesman that it would not become part of the new US strategy involving more raids inside Pakistan and matters pertaining to relations with the US in the context of war on terror.

This was the first meeting of corps commanders after the resignation of Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf.

The sources said that Gen Kayani briefed the commanders on his meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari.

I don't think this is going to end well for the Americans. They are isolated and nobody will have any sympathy for them if we shoot down a couple of their planes. And it is going to happen sooner rather than later.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What is publicly stated and what happens behind closed doors are two different scenarios.

For how many years did the ISI state that they were not providing any support for AQ & the Taliban.

Then over the last couple of month, when evidence was present, they admitted truth.

The same with NATO. Plausible tenability is created in case something goes wrong, so the politicians can hang the troops out to dry.

 

[K1052]

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

lolz found

If that was actually the case we wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: K1052

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

lolz found

If that was actually the case we wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

We don't kill civilians. Those are the only people you have been killing.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: K1052

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

lolz found

If that was actually the case we wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

We don't kill civilians. Those are the only people you have been killing.

You can keep saying that as many times as you like, still doesn't make it true.

I also think the Indians would beg to differ about you not killing civilians.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: K1052

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

lolz found

If that was actually the case we wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

We don't kill civilians. Those are the only people you have been killing.

At a minimum, your country protects those that do.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: K1052

I also think the Indians would beg to differ about you not killing civilians.

:roll:

When was the last time we killed an Indian civilian. Even militant groups banned in Pakistan don't go killing about civilians. It's the Indian army that blatantly kills and rapes Kashmiri muslims. But let's not take the thread there.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

At the very least reported faster

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: K1052

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

lolz found

If that was actually the case we wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

We don't kill civilians. Those are the only people you have been killing.

Riiiight. Is anyone taking this guy seriously anymore?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
JOS is a liar.

Nato not to take part in US raids inside Pakistan

BRUSSELS: Nato will not take part in a proposed US strategy of conducting raids into Pakistan from Afghanistan against Taliban and Al Qaeda militants, a spokesman said on Thursday.

?The Nato policy, that is our mandate, ends at the border,? James Appathurai told a regular news briefing.

?There are no ground or air incursions by Nato forces into Pakistani territory.?

Nato states would discuss the issue, Appathurai said, but he added: ?Let me stress, it is not Nato that will be sending its forces across the border.?

The 26 Nato defence ministers will hold an informal meeting on Sept 18-19 in London, but Appathurai said the next opportunity for them to discuss Afghan operations would be at a ministerial meeting in Budapest on Oct 9-10.

The spokesman said a solution needed to be found to growing extremism in tribal areas of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan.

?Pakistan needs to take effective action in cooperation with the rest of the international community and the Afghans to address the problem that is increasingly threatening Pakistan?s stability as well as Afghanistan?s,? he said.

Nato leads a force of some 53,000 troops in Afghanistan. A separate US force is also battling militants in the country.?Reuters

Gilani, corps commanders endorse Kayani?s stand: Nation told not to get upset by US threats


By Syed Irfan Raza and Iftikhar A. Khan


ISLAMABAD, Sept 11: The government expressed its determination on Thursday to defend the country?s borders in the wake of increasing air attacks by US-led forces on tribal areas and American and British demands that international security forces be allowed to target what they call Al Qaeda ?sanctuaries? in areas bordering Afghanistan.

?We would take all possible steps to safeguard the country?s borders,? Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza

Gilani told reporters after laying the foundation of the Zero Point interchange here on Thursday.

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

Commenting on Chief of the Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani?s statement that the country?s borders would be defended at all cost and no external force would be allowed to conduct operations inside Pakistan, the prime minister said the statement of the army chief reflected the government policy. The government had the same views as expressed by the army chief on defending the country?s sovereignty and integrity, he added.

COMMANDERS ENDORSE stand: Top army commanders on Thursday discussed the national security situation with reference to threats of US incursions in the tribal areas and endorsed the army chief?s statement about defending the country?s sovereignty.

A meeting of corps commanders was held against the backdrop of a change in the US strategy in the region and US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen?s remarks indicating possibility of more air strikes inside Pakistan ?to prevent more attacks on the American people?.

Although, no official statement was released by the ISPR after the first day of the conference, sources told Dawn that the corps commanders had fully endorsed the policy statement given by Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani that no foreign country was allowed to conduct military operations inside Pakistan.

The meeting discussed the situation in areas bordering Afghanistan, the statement by the Nato spokesman that it would not become part of the new US strategy involving more raids inside Pakistan and matters pertaining to relations with the US in the context of war on terror.

This was the first meeting of corps commanders after the resignation of Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf.

The sources said that Gen Kayani briefed the commanders on his meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari.

I don't think this is going to end well for the Americans. They are isolated and nobody will have any sympathy for them if we shoot down a couple of their planes. And it is going to happen sooner rather than later.

Heh, before the US were not in Pakistan, now specops is IN Pakistan, do you really think that the twat that is Appathurai has any say so in this matter? Pakistan doesn't and neither does he.

I'm sorry but i don't give a fuck about him and i don't give a fuck about you either.

About a week ago, the US specops officer denied it right to the face of the Pakistani people, now that there is undeniable evidence it's "GW authorized it since July".

Well, there is no truth in that, it was a joint effort and the likes Appathurai didn't even have knowledge about it until it was time to publicly claim that this is a US specops effort and that no NATO (which is fucking strange since all specop units are under NATO flag) troops were involved.

I think what he meant to say was that ISAF forces won't pass the border and he's right about that, for now.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

At the very least reported faster

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Gotta admit, Common Courtesy is 100% correct, a dollar to a donut, however dated it is, we will soon be dealing with some hopping mad people in the Tribal areas of Pakistan.

As Nato harvests the hatred dividend as it spread anarchy, corruption, and chaos in its wake.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

In other words, all we need to do is ignore all the naysayers, pessimists, and defeatists while we wait for the truth to become clear, similar to the success we eventually had in Iraq?

I can deal with that... but please do try to keep your negativity and whining to a minimum... it's really fucking annoying.

gg.

PS: I hear that we hit at least 12 more on Friday! :thumbsup: Keep up the great work JoS&friends!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: K1052

?The nation should not be upset by the statement of US Admiral Mike Mullen who threatened more strikes inside Pakistan,? he said, adding that the government was capable of protecting the country?s borders.

lolz found

If that was actually the case we wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

We don't kill civilians. Those are the only people you have been killing.

I think we should take this discussion up with the Iraqi forces, when i was there the threat of handing over prisoners to the Pakistanis was enough of a threat to make them talk.

The ISI isn't clean, you KNOW that, don't fucking pretend like Pakistani forces are some kind of saints because they most certainly are not, the only thing i fear more than entering a previous Taliban camp is entering an area that has been handled by the ISI.

You have even admitted this yourself in the past.

Nationalism doesn't suit you too well when you need to lie, tell the truth, lie about telling the truth, covering up and then denying.

I don't play that game and i'd suggest you stop trying to do it because someone will inevitable dig up your old posts and show you how stupid you really are.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

Would you fight even a half arsed boxer with both arms tied behind your back?

We're not willing to do that either.

I can promise you this, there ARE a LOT of people who understand the value in what is happening now beyond just us in the service.

I understand that you think of me as some kind of monster, from what you have accused me of doing that is quite fucking clear to me, but i'm not and this fight isn't for MY sake, it's for the people who ARE doing better than they have been doing in 30+ years now.

I guess you'll really have had to be in this kind of situation to understand, Common gets it and i'm fairly sure that he's had the exact same thoughts.

As George Orwell said, People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

I was supposed to go home when this policy change came, now the time when i get to go home, see my children and meet my good friends, is uncertain and pushed forward into the future with each passing day.

I didn't choose this but it's the only way anything is ever going to get done.

 

[The Green Bean]

Let's turn it around, there are terrorists in Miami, the US harbours them including the notorious Luis Posada Carriles who orcestrated the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 that killed all 73 on board. Yet he is a free man and the US refuses to extradite him to Cuba to face charges. How would the Americans feel if Cuban intelligence found out where these anti-Castro terrorists are hiding out and launches attacks that killed these terrorists along with a few civilians. I think everyone will know the response from the yankees. Yankees are the biggest hypocrites and bullies around, it's time for the impoverished world to hit back. I hope Pakistan and other countries stand up to American aggression and end this evil empire.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

Lemon Law,
It's either this or a couple of nukes on Pakistanis if the nuts that are allowed to run amok in their country repeat 9/11.

Take your pick.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

Lemon Law,
It's either this or a couple of nukes on Pakistanis if the nuts that are allowed to run amok in their country repeat 9/11.

Take your pick.

Go to hell a hundred times.

 

[Jaskalas]

I believe you only have to go once Green Bean. Keep supporting our attackers and you shall join them.

 

[Grunt03]

Perhaps you should enlist in your military and take the fight to the American military directly. Oh wait you wouldn't want to do that now would you. We all know that you guys didn't do anything, I think that is the point!!!

Pakistan should stop stop harboring and training terrorists, then perhaps you will be left alone.

As far as Russia, well that is a big joke. How long has it been since Russia was taken serious? In todays world what does Russia have to offer besides corruption?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Grunt03
Perhaps you should enlist in your military and take the fight to the American military directly. Oh wait you wouldn't want to do that now would you. We all know that you guys didn't do anything, I think that is the point!!!

Pakistan should stop stop harboring and training terrorists, then perhaps you will be left alone.

As far as Russia, well that is a big joke. How long has it been since Russia was taken serious? In todays world what does Russia have to offer besides corruption?

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Grunt03, I wonder where you have been Rip Van Winkling for the past eight years,
but Russia has been doing rather well for itself. Its awash in oil money, its just made Uncle Sammy and Nato look like a bunch a monkeys in Geogia, with Rice, Cheney , and GWB reduced to calling Russia nasty names that fall on deaf ears simply because those same rascals are even more morally bankrupt than Putin.

And now that Uncle Sam's super military is tied down in two quagmires, Russia has nearly completed its transition, has already recovered financially, and can begin to be that other hostile super power again. I do not like it any better than you do, but GWB&co have encouraged it to happen by misusing our military power and peeing our moral leadership down the toilet.

Its a new reality that cannot be denied. But cheer up, Grunt03, you are in good company, GWB, Rice, and Cheney, are learning disabled also. And still have not noticed the little guy they used to kick has stood up and is ready to kick right back.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

Lemon Law,
It's either this or a couple of nukes on Pakistanis if the nuts that are allowed to run amok in their country repeat 9/11.

Take your pick.

Go to hell a hundred times.

Don't let it get to you GB these topics always end up pointing out the loons on our side of the pond too