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The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

do we have to go back to where your were all worried about the Taliban taking control of your cities.

You later stated it was just a tabloid, but the fact you panicked indicates that there is some truth behind it and you/Pakistan realize that what the propaganda may not be entirely accurate.

Currently every Pakistani believes that Americans nuking Karachi is a bigger threat than the taliban taking over Peshawar. Just because we are panicking means there must be some truth to it right?
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: rchiu
What sovereignty are you talking about? You mean having the most wanted terrorists roam your country without fear or repercussion, or your country could do something but won't? Seriously, if Pakistan cannot catch Bin Ladin, or keep him out of your territory, what do you expect the US do? Bin Ladin only killed almost 3000 US civilians and attacked the US in the most hideous way.

I don't know how you can cite imperialism, who wanna occupy Pakistan? If civilians of Pakistan wasn't harboring terrorists, the US won't even look at Pakistan's way. In the end, if Pakistan government is more capable and bring the mass murderers into justice, this whole tragedy will not be happening at all.

Your fantasy about us not being able to control the taliban and our cities falling to them is just like your fantasies about Saddam having WMDs and being able to launch attacks on London within 20 minutes. Maybe you can listen to someone in Pakistan or just eat the bull shit your media treats you with.

Talking about justice. Why don't you start with the murderers on your side. The ones that have killed 100+ of our civilians would be a good start. Maybe then we can get to the ones higher up. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if Americans weren't so hateful wanting so much revenge. That and your government is greedy.

It looks like you believe the crap your government and Al-Jazeera feed you. Sad.

I don't even read/watch Alqaeeda. And there are about 20 different news channels in Pakistan with some based off-shore who don't have to worry about government censorship unlike in the US.
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Had Pakistan maintained control over their territory, the Taliban would not have been able to establish refuge in it.
That is the key issue. All the other issues are derived from it.

Because Pakistan will not control its territory (either because of collusion or weakness) they are putting themselves in the same position that the Taliban did when choosing to side with AQ.

The Pakistanis are not the target, it is the Taliban. If the Pakistanis allow them to be used as a shield, then who is to blame.
You can blame those that did the attack; but what about those that are complicit and supporting the Taliban. And who allowed the Taliban to set up shop in the area.

Consequences happen because people chose to do things the easy way, not the right way.
Pakistan gives lip service but is unable/unwilling to back up it's words in the fight against the Taliban.
Now the UN has determined that Pakistan will not cooperate and other methods will be used to solve the problem.
Pakistan eventually will have to get off the fence; until they do, then civilians will get caught in deplorable incidents and the propagandists will have a field day.

That again is oppression. Give me one good reason why I should support you in the fight against the taliban. You came here to uporoot Aqlaeeda and find OBL. You couldn't. The fight against the taliban is just a cover up for something that you couldn't do. Don't get me wrong. The taliban are evil people. But the US has no right whatsoever fighting them. Now you are threatening us because we won't kill them? I'll say it again - Go to hell a hundred times.

And nobody replied to this:

Let's turn it around, there are terrorists in Miami, the US harbours them including the notorious Luis Posada Carriles who orcestrated the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 that killed all 73 on board. Yet he is a free man and the US refuses to extradite him to Cuba to face charges. How would the Americans feel if Cuban intelligence found out where these anti-Castro terrorists are hiding out and launches attacks that killed these terrorists along with a few civilians. I think everyone will know the response from the yankees. Yankees are the biggest hypocrites and bullies around, it's time for the impoverished world to hit back. I hope Pakistan and other countries stand up to American aggression and end this evil empire.

Is that because Americans are righteous people?

We get it. You like your women to be slaves and support 3rd world Somalian-esque thugs. I don't care how many Pakistani's get killed, hell....they can line themselves up as human body shields and I would sleep just fine at night.
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

do we have to go back to where your were all worried about the Taliban taking control of your cities.

You later stated it was just a tabloid, but the fact you panicked indicates that there is some truth behind it and you/Pakistan realize that what the propaganda may not be entirely accurate.

Currently every Pakistani believes that Americans nuking Karachi is a bigger threat than the taliban taking over Peshawar. Just because we are panicking means there must be some truth to it right?

That's because you are all fucking religious nuts who hate the west.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechAZ

We get it. You like your women to be slaves and support 3rd world Somalian-esque thugs. I don't care how many Pakistani's get killed, hell....they can line themselves up as human body shields and I would sleep just fine at night.

Is that because Americans are somehow superior to mere Pakistanis? Are their lives more precious?
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: rchiu
What sovereignty are you talking about? You mean having the most wanted terrorists roam your country without fear or repercussion, or your country could do something but won't? Seriously, if Pakistan cannot catch Bin Ladin, or keep him out of your territory, what do you expect the US do? Bin Ladin only killed almost 3000 US civilians and attacked the US in the most hideous way.

I don't know how you can cite imperialism, who wanna occupy Pakistan? If civilians of Pakistan wasn't harboring terrorists, the US won't even look at Pakistan's way. In the end, if Pakistan government is more capable and bring the mass murderers into justice, this whole tragedy will not be happening at all.

Your fantasy about us not being able to control the taliban and our cities falling to them is just like your fantasies about Saddam having WMDs and being able to launch attacks on London within 20 minutes. Maybe you can listen to someone in Pakistan or just eat the bull shit your media treats you with.

Talking about justice. Why don't you start with the murderers on your side. The ones that have killed 100+ of our civilians would be a good start. Maybe then we can get to the ones higher up. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if Americans weren't so hateful wanting so much revenge. That and your government is greedy.

It looks like you believe the crap your government and Al-Jazeera feed you. Sad.

I don't even read/watch Alqaeeda. And there are about 20 different news channels in Pakistan with some based off-shore who don't have to worry about government censorship unlike in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...censorship_in_Pakistan

Oh really?
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechAZ

We get it. You like your women to be slaves and support 3rd world Somalian-esque thugs. I don't care how many Pakistani's get killed, hell....they can line themselves up as human body shields and I would sleep just fine at night.

Is that because Americans are somehow superior to mere Pakistanis? Are their lives more precious?

Yes
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

do we have to go back to where your were all worried about the Taliban taking control of your cities.

You later stated it was just a tabloid, but the fact you panicked indicates that there is some truth behind it and you/Pakistan realize that what the propaganda may not be entirely accurate.

Currently every Pakistani believes that Americans nuking Karachi is a bigger threat than the taliban taking over Peshawar. Just because we are panicking means there must be some truth to it right?

That's because you are all fucking religious nuts who hate the west.

And yet it's the west that has been killing us. When an American hates a mulsim for killing 3000 he's at worst bling. When a Pakistani hates the west for killing 100,000 he is a "fucking religion nut." Gotta love American logic!
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechAZ

We get it. You like your women to be slaves and support 3rd world Somalian-esque thugs. I don't care how many Pakistani's get killed, hell....they can line themselves up as human body shields and I would sleep just fine at night.

Is that because Americans are somehow superior to mere Pakistanis? Are their lives more precious?

Yes

You think like a Nazi. But I guess it's okay to be a Nazi in American as long as your hatred is towards muslims and not jews.
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

do we have to go back to where your were all worried about the Taliban taking control of your cities.

You later stated it was just a tabloid, but the fact you panicked indicates that there is some truth behind it and you/Pakistan realize that what the propaganda may not be entirely accurate.

Currently every Pakistani believes that Americans nuking Karachi is a bigger threat than the taliban taking over Peshawar. Just because we are panicking means there must be some truth to it right?

That's because you are all fucking religious nuts who hate the west.

And yet it's the west that has been killing us. When an American hates a mulsim for killing 3000 he's at worst bling. When a Pakistani hates the west for killing 100,000 he is a "fucking religion nut." Gotta love American logic!

It's the intent that matters. Probably hate that damn WWII as well, or don't you believe in the Holocaust?
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechAZ

We get it. You like your women to be slaves and support 3rd world Somalian-esque thugs. I don't care how many Pakistani's get killed, hell....they can line themselves up as human body shields and I would sleep just fine at night.

Is that because Americans are somehow superior to mere Pakistanis? Are their lives more precious?

Yes

You think like a Nazi. But I guess it's okay to be a Nazi in American as long as your hatred is towards muslims and not jews.

Sorry, I'm not against a specific religion...I'm against trash. By trash, I mean Pakistani's with attitudes like yours. Have you held an RPG lately?
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: rchiu
What sovereignty are you talking about? You mean having the most wanted terrorists roam your country without fear or repercussion, or your country could do something but won't? Seriously, if Pakistan cannot catch Bin Ladin, or keep him out of your territory, what do you expect the US do? Bin Ladin only killed almost 3000 US civilians and attacked the US in the most hideous way.

I don't know how you can cite imperialism, who wanna occupy Pakistan? If civilians of Pakistan wasn't harboring terrorists, the US won't even look at Pakistan's way. In the end, if Pakistan government is more capable and bring the mass murderers into justice, this whole tragedy will not be happening at all.

Your fantasy about us not being able to control the taliban and our cities falling to them is just like your fantasies about Saddam having WMDs and being able to launch attacks on London within 20 minutes. Maybe you can listen to someone in Pakistan or just eat the bull shit your media treats you with.

Talking about justice. Why don't you start with the murderers on your side. The ones that have killed 100+ of our civilians would be a good start. Maybe then we can get to the ones higher up. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if Americans weren't so hateful wanting so much revenge. That and your government is greedy.

It looks like you believe the crap your government and Al-Jazeera feed you. Sad.

I don't even read/watch Alqaeeda. And there are about 20 different news channels in Pakistan with some based off-shore who don't have to worry about government censorship unlike in the US.

Pfft....

Maybe you have us mistaken for someone else? Our government doesnt censor/own any stations except PBS and NPR. Again, you swallow whatever your extremists and imported Michael Moore movies tell you.

All you have to do is look around online message boards, and the crap leftist Americans post about thier own government. If you think our government censors, you are mistaken. If you think you could get away with the shit that some Americans post about thier country in MOST countries, you are mistaken.

Obama is most likely going to win, and he isnt going to stop hunting down terrorists. And there is nothing you can do. There is a pecking order in the world, and the Pakis arent at the top. Look at the UN Security Council Veto powers, that is your clue.

 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
It's the intent that matters. Probably hate that damn WWII as well, or don't you believe in the Holocaust?

So now you are comparing muslims to the Nazis :s

Americans can keep saying that their intent is not killing civilians. That won't get them anywhere. And your government is doing it on YOUR behalf. The ones that carried out 9/11 were a bunch of muslims and in no way represent muslims.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Obama is most likely going to win, and he isnt going to stop hunting down terrorists. And there is nothing you can do. There is a pecking order in the world, and the Pakis arent at the top. Look at the UN Security Council Veto powers, that is your clue.

Yes. Atleast you accept that justice and equality have very little to do with your unjust and oppressive wars. And then anyone that opposes you is your enemy. :s
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechAZ

Ok, find a site, post it....and I'll post up a screenshot of that site. You game?

Try this one:

http://www.techazisanidiot.com/

;)

Maybe you can register that domain name....although you gotta be careful. That part of the world has a problem with fraud and domain companies like to put your order on hold while they investigate to make sure. Has to do with all the corruption and 3rd world asshattery that goes on their.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: rchiu
What sovereignty are you talking about? You mean having the most wanted terrorists roam your country without fear or repercussion, or your country could do something but won't? Seriously, if Pakistan cannot catch Bin Ladin, or keep him out of your territory, what do you expect the US do? Bin Ladin only killed almost 3000 US civilians and attacked the US in the most hideous way.

I don't know how you can cite imperialism, who wanna occupy Pakistan? If civilians of Pakistan wasn't harboring terrorists, the US won't even look at Pakistan's way. In the end, if Pakistan government is more capable and bring the mass murderers into justice, this whole tragedy will not be happening at all.

Your fantasy about us not being able to control the taliban and our cities falling to them is just like your fantasies about Saddam having WMDs and being able to launch attacks on London within 20 minutes. Maybe you can listen to someone in Pakistan or just eat the bull shit your media treats you with.

Talking about justice. Why don't you start with the murderers on your side. The ones that have killed 100+ of our civilians would be a good start. Maybe then we can get to the ones higher up. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if Americans weren't so hateful wanting so much revenge. That and your government is greedy.

Oh so now taliban roams the Pakistan borders is a fantasy? That's a fact that the entire world knows. I am actually from Taiwan living in the US and Asian media, as well as the US, Europe and everywhere else acknowledge the fact that Pakistan cannot do anything about border tribes protecting Talibans.

And now you want to justify what Bin Laden did? There is no justification for what he did on 911, everyone around the world with a sense of decency knows that, even many from Muslim world. The hunt for Bin Laden is to bring him to justice, not revenge. I believe even Pakistan has law like that? Bringing murderers to justice? And the death of Pakistan women and children are tragic and you have my condolence. But when there is military operations, there is gonna be death, and why is there military operations at Pakistan borders? In the end, it all comes back to the inability of Pakistani government to keep murderers out of your border or bring them to justice.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: rchiu

And now you want to justify what Bin Laden did? There is no justification for what he did on 911, everyone around the world with a sense of decency knows that, even many from Muslim world. The hunt for Bin Laden is to bring him to justice, not revenge. I believe even Pakistan has law like that? Bringing murderers to justice? And the death of Pakistan women and children are tragic and you have my condolence. But when there is military operations, there is gonna be death, and why is there military operations at Pakistan borders? In the end, it all comes back to the inability of Pakistani government to keep murderers out of your border or bring them to justice.

Justice at any cost? Even if that means committing crimes greater than the ones committed by the original perpetrators in the name of justice?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Had Pakistan maintained control over their territory, the Taliban would not have been able to establish refuge in it.
That is the key issue. All the other issues are derived from it.

Because Pakistan will not control its territory (either because of collusion or weakness) they are putting themselves in the same position that the Taliban did when choosing to side with AQ.

The Pakistanis are not the target, it is the Taliban. If the Pakistanis allow them to be used as a shield, then who is to blame.
You can blame those that did the attack; but what about those that are complicit and supporting the Taliban. And who allowed the Taliban to set up shop in the area.

Consequences happen because people chose to do things the easy way, not the right way.
Pakistan gives lip service but is unable/unwilling to back up it's words in the fight against the Taliban.
Now the UN has determined that Pakistan will not cooperate and other methods will be used to solve the problem.
Pakistan eventually will have to get off the fence; until they do, then civilians will get caught in deplorable incidents and the propagandists will have a field day.

That again is oppression. Give me one good reason why I should support you in the fight against the Taliban. You came here to uproot Aqlaeeda and find OBL. You couldn't. The fight against the Taliban is just a cover up for something that you couldn't do. Don't get me wrong. The Taliban are evil people. But the US has no right whatsoever fighting them. Now you are threatening us because we won't kill them? I'll say it again - Go to hell a hundred times.
As has been explained to you previously, but one more time.
the US wanted AQ.
the Taliban were protecting AQ.
the Taliban were given an ultimatum to turnover AQ or they would be considered to be supported of AQ and targeted.
The Taliban refused - their bluff was called.
The UN also condemned AQ and then authorized classification of the Taliban as fair game.
Other Muslim countries also backed the UN.
the Taliban were attacked and driven as a governmental body out of Afghanistan.
The Taliban and AQ ran and hid in Iran and Pakistan.
Those that hid in Pakistan have continued to launch attacks against the Afghan people and the NATO forces.
NATO forces have chased the Taliban back into Pakistan where the Taliban have hid among villages and/or taken over villages.
The Taliban have been supported by Pakistani military.

The Taliban are an enemy of the UN world.
Pakistan is supporting an enemy of the UN world by either direct actions or refusal to take action.
Pakistan is playing a dangerous game that WILL backfire on them.
When the US & NATA get pissed off, what the Pakistani people say will not matter.
Pakistan has shown itself to be week and there is no interest in controlling that country.
Hiding behind your nuclear umbrella will only go so far - at some point those nukes will be neutralized if/when needed.

 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: rchiu

And now you want to justify what Bin Laden did? There is no justification for what he did on 911, everyone around the world with a sense of decency knows that, even many from Muslim world. The hunt for Bin Laden is to bring him to justice, not revenge. I believe even Pakistan has law like that? Bringing murderers to justice? And the death of Pakistan women and children are tragic and you have my condolence. But when there is military operations, there is gonna be death, and why is there military operations at Pakistan borders? In the end, it all comes back to the inability of Pakistani government to keep murderers out of your border or bring them to justice.

Justice at any cost? Even if that means committing crimes greater than the ones committed by the original perpetrators in the name of justice?

This is a country that sacrificed millions of its own people's life to do what is right during Civil war. It is not a country to back down from doing what it consider to be right and just. Plus if Pakistan government works with the US military 100% and bring all the murderers to justice, all the killings you consider "crimes" would stop. So it is really up to your people when this will end.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: rchiu

This is a country that sacrificed millions of its own people's life to do what is right during Civil war. It is not a country to back down from doing what it consider to be right and just. Plus if Pakistan government works with the US military 100% and bring all the murderers to justice, all the killings you consider "crimes" would stop. So it is really up to your people when this will end.

Just because you think something is right doesn't make it so. Killing civilians; intentionally or not can NEVER be right. It's up to our people to stand up against your oppression or be eternal slaves at your mercy. And the civil war was almost 200 years ago. Today's America is greedy, corrupt and full of liars.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: rchiu

This is a country that sacrificed millions of its own people's life to do what is right during Civil war. It is not a country to back down from doing what it consider to be right and just. Plus if Pakistan government works with the US military 100% and bring all the murderers to justice, all the killings you consider "crimes" would stop. So it is really up to your people when this will end.

Just because you think something is right doesn't make it so. Killing civilians; intentionally or not can NEVER be right. It's up to our people to stand up against your oppression or be eternal slaves at your mercy. And the civil war was almost 200 years ago. Today's America is greedy, corrupt and full of liars.

Well, you can feel that way and keep the terrorist hiding in your territory and have the bombing continue. It's really up to you. But I gotta tell you, even if the rest of the world is against the war in Iraq, they support hunting Bin Laden and bringing him to justice. As long as he and his people is hiding in Pakistan, world opinion will back American. You can stand up against "oppression", but really no one is oppressing you, if only you work with the civilized world and bring the mass murderers into justice.