Obama Makes Another Threat

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

Lemon Law,
It's either this or a couple of nukes on Pakistanis if the nuts that are allowed to run amok in their country repeat 9/11.

Take your pick.

Go to hell a hundred times.

Don't let it get to you GB these topics always end up pointing out the loons on our side of the pond too

You know, i've considered you a sane voice for a long time.

Something has got to give and it won't be me.

The taliban WILL be defeated and if Pakistan protects them, so will Pakistan, there is nothing else in this.

I won't leave until every single one of them is dead.

Get out of my way or face the consequences is what Pakistans idiotism has to face.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Don't let it get to you GB these topics always end up pointing out the loons on our side of the pond too

What's you opinion on this issue?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But cheer up, Grunt03, you are in good company, GWB, Rice, and Cheney, are learning disabled also.

:roll:

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But cheer up, Grunt03, you are in good company, GWB, Rice, and Cheney, are learning disabled also.

:roll:

Actually he's right for once. If the three mentioned, plus Rumsfeld, had let Palehorse, JOS, and company do what they're doing now 7 years ago, OBL would've been chased across the border right after he fled from Tora Bora, and this mess would be over by now. AQ and the Taliban were both in utter ruins at that point (Bagram, Mazar-i-Sharif, Qala-e-Jangi, Kabul, etc.) and the bloody remnants barely escaped Tora Bora and Kandahar with their lives.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But cheer up, Grunt03, you are in good company, GWB, Rice, and Cheney, are learning disabled also.

:roll:

Actually he's right for once. If the three mentioned, plus Rumsfeld, had let Palehorse, JOS, and company do what they're doing now 7 years ago, OBL would've been chased across the border right after he fled from Tora Bora, and this mess would be over by now. AQ and the Taliban were both in utter ruins at that point (Bagram, Mazar-i-Sharif, Qala-e-Jangi, Kabul, etc.) and the bloody remnants barely escaped Tora Bora and Kandahar with their lives.

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You are entitled to your own opinions, but please spare us your revisionist history non facts.

Tora Bora is and remains within Afghanistan, and the muscle routing the collected dregs of the Ossama Bin Laden, Al-Quida, and the Taliban was the Northern Alliance and not Nato. Although Nato air power plus the rearming the Northern Alliance are not factors to be minimized.

But when GWB&co had their golden opportunity to bag Ossama Bin Laden at Tora Bora, he blew it by sending in the Northern Alliance and not our own Nato special forces, figuring let wogs die for us in the tough fighting to follow, and instead discovered the Northern Alliance had no quarrels with Al-Quida, no plans of dying
trying to get Bin Laden, and shortly thereafter re set themselves up as Afghan corruption central newly empowered by Nato.

And as a result, Bin Laden was able to escape the trap, he fled into the tribal areas of Pakistan, and who the hell knows where he and the top Al-Quida leadership is today. But any that assume that Bin Laden and the top leaderships lone hiding places must lie in only the Tribal regions of Pakistan are likely to be soon disappointed.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets admit the truth, for all the rhetoric and denials, for all the crapola spewed out by both sides, that GWB the decider has made the decision to greatly expand the use of US and Nato ground and air power in the tribal areas of Pakistan. And its a cause and effect question now.

And that all cautioning voices warning of the folly of that action are now being ignored.

Which now means that we will have a new policy put to the test, AND MOST OF US NOW CAN ONLY WATCH THE RESULTS, BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, HAPPEN.

And I have one main comment, positive results will probably be slow to come in, but its very likely that the negative results will come in far faster.

Lemon Law,
It's either this or a couple of nukes on Pakistanis if the nuts that are allowed to run amok in their country repeat 9/11.

Take your pick.

Go to hell a hundred times.

Don't let it get to you GB these topics always end up pointing out the loons on our side of the pond too

You know, i've considered you a sane voice for a long time.

Something has got to give and it won't be me.

The taliban WILL be defeated and if Pakistan protects them, so will Pakistan, there is nothing else in this.

I won't leave until every single one of them is dead.

Get out of my way or face the consequences is what Pakistans idiotism has to face.

the guy is yakking about nuking Pakistan
I am the same voice

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Don't let it get to you GB these topics always end up pointing out the loons on our side of the pond too

What's you opinion on this issue?

I don't have enough information I can trust to make one

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Don't let it get to you GB these topics always end up pointing out the loons on our side of the pond too

What's you opinion on this issue?

I don't have enough information I can trust to make one

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At last we have someone who admits they are unsure.

But sadly, there are too many that have no longer have any doubts. And now they are marching on a date with future reality checks as the court of actual results will be the final arbiter. The die has been cast with or without your consent or mine.

I may be far more skeptical than you are, but the fat is now in the fire because the decider has decided to go for broke, betting your ass and my ass in the process.

 

[winnar111]

Didn't Obama have a policy of unleashing raids in Pakistan?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Get out of my way or face the consequences is what Pakistans idiotism has to face.

We must not be cowards afraid to fight American and British oppression. I'm proud of 1857. We must stand up for ourselves again to fight another empire; equally oppressive and God willing succeed this time.

He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: "This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces." but those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said: "How oft, by Allah's will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But cheer up, Grunt03, you are in good company, GWB, Rice, and Cheney, are learning disabled also.

:roll:

Actually he's right for once. If the three mentioned, plus Rumsfeld, had let Palehorse, JOS, and company do what they're doing now 7 years ago, OBL would've been chased across the border right after he fled from Tora Bora, and this mess would be over by now. AQ and the Taliban were both in utter ruins at that point (Bagram, Mazar-i-Sharif, Qala-e-Jangi, Kabul, etc.) and the bloody remnants barely escaped Tora Bora and Kandahar with their lives.

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You are entitled to your own opinions, but please spare us your revisionist history non facts.

Tora Bora is and remains within Afghanistan, and the muscle routing the collected dregs of the Ossama Bin Laden, Al-Quida, and the Taliban was the Northern Alliance and not Nato. Although Nato air power plus the rearming the Northern Alliance are not factors to be minimized.

But when GWB&co had their golden opportunity to bag Ossama Bin Laden at Tora Bora, he blew it by sending in the Northern Alliance and not our own Nato special forces, figuring let wogs die for us in the tough fighting to follow, and instead discovered the Northern Alliance had no quarrels with Al-Quida, no plans of dying
trying to get Bin Laden, and shortly thereafter re set themselves up as Afghan corruption central newly empowered by Nato.

And as a result, Bin Laden was able to escape the trap, he fled into the tribal areas of Pakistan, and who the hell knows where he and the top Al-Quida leadership is today. But any that assume that Bin Laden and the top leaderships lone hiding places must lie in only the Tribal regions of Pakistan are likely to be soon disappointed.

WTF are you talking about? Our SOFs (Army SFs, Navy SEALs, Air Force STs) went in before the Northern Alliance offensive began and called in air strikes that blew a gaping hole in the front line, which they and the Northern Alliance then broke through to take Mazar-i-Sharif. When some of the AQ and Taliban captured during the northern offensive revolted at Qala-e-Jangi prison, they were crushed by our SOFs and some close air support. The Alliance then rolled into Kabul while the Taliban fell back to Kandahar, their last stronghold. Our SOFs got Karzai into the country and helped take Kandahar, at which point what was left of the Taliban scattered. Meanwhile, AQ fled to Tora Bora, where our SOFs led the Eastern Alliance (not the Northern Alliance) into the mountains and cleaned out the caves. OBL, pursued by SOFs, ran for the border where the trusty Alliance warriors you speak of were bribed to let him pass through into Pakistan.

Oh, and by the way, our Rangers and Delta Force launched the first op of the war, and Marines helicoptered into the south cut off Kandahar and found Camp Rhino. That's all pretty much public knowledge at this point...but like usual, you come spouting off like an expert when you're not really sure what you're talking about. :laugh:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Get out of my way or face the consequences is what Pakistans idiotism has to face.

We must not be cowards afraid to fight American and British oppression. I'm proud of 1857. We must stand up for ourselves again to fight another empire; equally oppressive and God willing succeed this time.

He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: "This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces." but those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said: "How oft, by Allah's will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere.

The American & British are not interested in your territory. What they are interested in is the fact that you will control and defend your territory.

At this point you have let the Taliban over run your territory. Interesting way of standing up for yourselves.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Didn't Obama have a policy of unleashing raids in Pakistan?

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Ah, but Obama has a curious distinction lost on JOS and palehorse.

Because Obama says he will strike at Al-Quida within Pakistan if Pakistan will not, but he is silent about the Taliban.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Get out of my way or face the consequences is what Pakistans idiotism has to face.

We must not be cowards afraid to fight American and British oppression. I'm proud of 1857. We must stand up for ourselves again to fight another empire; equally oppressive and God willing succeed this time.

He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: "This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces." but those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said: "How oft, by Allah's will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere.

Now all you deserve is crazy talk

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Get out of my way or face the consequences is what Pakistans idiotism has to face.

We must not be cowards afraid to fight American and British oppression. I'm proud of 1857. We must stand up for ourselves again to fight another empire; equally oppressive and God willing succeed this time.

He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: "This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces." but those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said: "How oft, by Allah's will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere.

If you're willing to die to protect al-Qaeda and the Taliban, you deserve whatever you get.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

The American & British are not interested in your territory. What they are interested in is the fact that you will control and defend your territory.

At this point you have let the Taliban over run your territory. Interesting way of standing up for yourselves.

That's what they say. If they really were interesting in what they say they would never have attacked us in the first place. They are killing our civilians and fueling anti-American sentiments. Either the Americans have no idea of how to fight this war on terror or their real motives are far different.

The taliban are NOT controlling our territory. Where they are challenging the government's writ they are being attacked. The attacks in Wana by the US only killed civilians. You can not expect to launch an attack on our territory without permission, kill civilians and then expect to be called the "good guys." If you think all tribals that claim to support the Taliban against the USA are your enemies you are mistaken. A great muslim general once said that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. The taliban is making friends as fast as you are making enemies.

@ some that condone killing anyone that supports the taliban:

If you do think that anybody that supports the taliban against the illegal unjust US war and occupation should be killed, you will have to initiate a genocide not witnessed in history. 95% of Pakistanis support the taliban's fight against the USA. That does not mean they want the taliban to rule over them; but then again the hate the USA more. And rightly so.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
If you're willing to die to protect al-Qaeda and the Taliban, you deserve whatever you get.

Are all Americans as stupid as you? I hope not. The taliban isn't even your real enemy. You are just killing them because you can't find the real people who did 9//11. And isn't killing thousands of civilians enough revenge that you now just get the fuck our of our region?

original earl
Now all you deserve is crazy talk

You mean we should just sit like donkeys while you invade our country?

 

[CallMeJoe]

CNN Link to Taliban taking control of tribal regions by force.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
CNN Link to Taliban taking control of tribal regions by force.

Article from a PAKISTANI newspaper that proves how much your media hypes things up. Or maybe it's just propaganda. And that picture is so irrelevant to this article. A man wounded in fighting with militants on some other front is pictured here. What fools!

PESHAWAR: Dozens of gun-toting militants briefly seized an abandoned PTCL telephone exchange building in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar late on Saturday, but no one was hurt, officials said.

The militants were believed to be loyal to Mangal Bagh, the leader of a radical group accused by officials of kidnapping for ransom in Peshawar, harassing locals and running torture centres and private jails.

Witnesses said the fighters -- who later fled under cover of darkness when security forces surrounded the building -- were heavily-armed and wearing masks.

A security official said the building's security guards, in the Regi Lalma area, were briefly taken hostage, but they managed to alert police, prompting the response from security forces.

'We have vacated the building and freed the hostages but the militants have managed to escape,' Peshawar police chief Sulaiman Shah told reporters.

'A search and cordon operation will continue for three hours to apprehend the militants,' he said, adding that it was not confirmed but about 20-25 militants had been involved in the siege.

Peshawar, the capital of North West Frontier Province, is not far from Pakistan's rugged tribal areas on the Afghan border, where the army is battling Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants.

A senior security official told AFP the hostage-takers had been able to leave the building after tribal elders from the Khyber agency intervened, indicating that an agreement had been made to secure their safe passage.

'The attack appears to have been symbolic, to convey a message that they can attack a government building,' the security official said.

As well as kidnapping for ransom, Bagh's Lashkar-e-Islam group has also been accused of attacking convoys ferrying supplies to NATO and US troops in Afghanistan that travel through the historic Khyber Pass.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
This is totally unacceptable. Now they are conducting ground raids in our country. I believe we have a right to defend our sovereignty. These raids are uncalled for and should be met with full force. Why Pakistan's government has not taken a stricter policy against imperialism is a mystery. It won't be much longer before the people take to the streets forcing the government to renounce US's 'divine right' to control the world. We don't have much to lose. Our support for America has already lead us to the path of destruction from within; nothing that the US could do to us could be worse than us submitting to them and living like their slaves. Death to the American occupation and invasion.

Now you Americans have zero right to say anything to Russia. Your country can do anything it pleases in other sovereign states recognized by the UN and Russia can't? In fact Afghanistan and Pakistan are on the other side of the world are no real threat.

What sovereignty are you talking about? You mean having the most wanted terrorists roam your country without fear or repercussion, or your country could do something but won't? Seriously, if Pakistan cannot catch Bin Ladin, or keep him out of your territory, what do you expect the US do? Bin Ladin only killed almost 3000 US civilians and attacked the US in the most hideous way.

I don't know how you can cite imperialism, who wanna occupy Pakistan? If civilians of Pakistan wasn't harboring terrorists, the US won't even look at Pakistan's way. In the end, if Pakistan government is more capable and bring the mass murderers into justice, this whole tragedy will not be happening at all.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: rchiu
What sovereignty are you talking about? You mean having the most wanted terrorists roam your country without fear or repercussion, or your country could do something but won't? Seriously, if Pakistan cannot catch Bin Ladin, or keep him out of your territory, what do you expect the US do? Bin Ladin only killed almost 3000 US civilians and attacked the US in the most hideous way.

I don't know how you can cite imperialism, who wanna occupy Pakistan? If civilians of Pakistan wasn't harboring terrorists, the US won't even look at Pakistan's way. In the end, if Pakistan government is more capable and bring the mass murderers into justice, this whole tragedy will not be happening at all.

Your fantasy about us not being able to control the taliban and our cities falling to them is just like your fantasies about Saddam having WMDs and being able to launch attacks on London within 20 minutes. Maybe you can listen to someone in Pakistan or just eat the bull shit your media treats you with.

Talking about justice. Why don't you start with the murderers on your side. The ones that have killed 100+ of our civilians would be a good start. Maybe then we can get to the ones higher up. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if Americans weren't so hateful wanting so much revenge. That and your government is greedy.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: rchiu
What sovereignty are you talking about? You mean having the most wanted terrorists roam your country without fear or repercussion, or your country could do something but won't? Seriously, if Pakistan cannot catch Bin Ladin, or keep him out of your territory, what do you expect the US do? Bin Ladin only killed almost 3000 US civilians and attacked the US in the most hideous way.

I don't know how you can cite imperialism, who wanna occupy Pakistan? If civilians of Pakistan wasn't harboring terrorists, the US won't even look at Pakistan's way. In the end, if Pakistan government is more capable and bring the mass murderers into justice, this whole tragedy will not be happening at all.

Your fantasy about us not being able to control the taliban and our cities falling to them is just like your fantasies about Saddam having WMDs and being able to launch attacks on London within 20 minutes. Maybe you can listen to someone in Pakistan or just eat the bull shit your media treats you with.

Talking about justice. Why don't you start with the murderers on your side. The ones that have killed 100+ of our civilians would be a good start. Maybe then we can get to the ones higher up. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if Americans weren't so hateful wanting so much revenge. That and your government is greedy.

It looks like you believe the crap your government and Al-Jazeera feed you. Sad.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

The American & British are not interested in your territory. What they are interested in is the fact that you will control and defend your territory.

At this point you have let the Taliban over run your territory. Interesting way of standing up for yourselves.

That's what they say. If they really were interesting in what they say they would never have attacked us in the first place. They are killing our civilians and fueling anti-American sentiments. Either the Americans have no idea of how to fight this war on terror or their real motives are far different.

The Taliban are NOT controlling our territory. Where they are challenging the government's writ they are being attacked. The attacks in Wana by the US only killed civilians. You can not expect to launch an attack on our territory without permission, kill civilians and then expect to be called the "good guys." If you think all tribals that claim to support the Taliban against the USA are your enemies you are mistaken. A great Muslim general once said that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. The Taliban is making friends as fast as you are making enemies.

@ some that condone killing anyone that supports the Taliban:

If you do think that anybody that supports the Taliban against the illegal unjust US war and occupation should be killed, you will have to initiate a genocide not witnessed in history. 95% of Pakistanis support the tali ban's fight against the USA. That does not mean they want the Taliban to rule over them; but then again the hate the USA more. And rightly so.

Had Pakistan maintained control over their territory, the Taliban would not have been able to establish refuge in it.
That is the key issue. All the other issues are derived from it.

Because Pakistan will not control its territory (either because of collusion or weakness) they are putting themselves in the same position that the Taliban did when choosing to side with AQ.

The Pakistanis are not the target, it is the Taliban. If the Pakistanis allow them to be used as a shield, then who is to blame.
You can blame those that did the attack; but what about those that are complicit and supporting the Taliban. And who allowed the Taliban to set up shop in the area.

Consequences happen because people chose to do things the easy way, not the right way.
Pakistan gives lip service but is unable/unwilling to back up it's words in the fight against the Taliban.
Now the UN has determined that Pakistan will not cooperate and other methods will be used to solve the problem.
Pakistan eventually will have to get off the fence; until they do, then civilians will get caught in deplorable incidents and the propagandists will have a field day.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
CNN Link to Taliban taking control of tribal regions by force.

Article from a PAKISTANI newspaper that proves how much your media hypes things up. Or maybe it's just propaganda. And that picture is so irrelevant to this article. A man wounded in fighting with militants on some other front is pictured here. What fools!

PESHAWAR: Dozens of gun-toting militants briefly seized an abandoned PTCL telephone exchange building in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar late on Saturday, but no one was hurt, officials said.

The militants were believed to be loyal to Mangal Bagh, the leader of a radical group accused by officials of kidnapping for ransom in Peshawar, harassing locals and running torture centres and private jails.

Witnesses said the fighters -- who later fled under cover of darkness when security forces surrounded the building -- were heavily-armed and wearing masks.

A security official said the building's security guards, in the Regi Lalma area, were briefly taken hostage, but they managed to alert police, prompting the response from security forces.

'We have vacated the building and freed the hostages but the militants have managed to escape,' Peshawar police chief Sulaiman Shah told reporters.

'A search and cordon operation will continue for three hours to apprehend the militants,' he said, adding that it was not confirmed but about 20-25 militants had been involved in the siege.

Peshawar, the capital of North West Frontier Province, is not far from Pakistan's rugged tribal areas on the Afghan border, where the army is battling Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants.

A senior security official told AFP the hostage-takers had been able to leave the building after tribal elders from the Khyber agency intervened, indicating that an agreement had been made to secure their safe passage.

'The attack appears to have been symbolic, to convey a message that they can attack a government building,' the security official said.

As well as kidnapping for ransom, Bagh's Lashkar-e-Islam group has also been accused of attacking convoys ferrying supplies to NATO and US troops in Afghanistan that travel through the historic Khyber Pass.

do we have to go back to where your were all worried about the Taliban taking control of your cities.

You later stated it was just a tabloid, but the fact you panicked indicates that there is some truth behind it and you/Pakistan realize that what the propaganda may not be entirely accurate.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Had Pakistan maintained control over their territory, the Taliban would not have been able to establish refuge in it.
That is the key issue. All the other issues are derived from it.

Because Pakistan will not control its territory (either because of collusion or weakness) they are putting themselves in the same position that the Taliban did when choosing to side with AQ.

The Pakistanis are not the target, it is the Taliban. If the Pakistanis allow them to be used as a shield, then who is to blame.
You can blame those that did the attack; but what about those that are complicit and supporting the Taliban. And who allowed the Taliban to set up shop in the area.

Consequences happen because people chose to do things the easy way, not the right way.
Pakistan gives lip service but is unable/unwilling to back up it's words in the fight against the Taliban.
Now the UN has determined that Pakistan will not cooperate and other methods will be used to solve the problem.
Pakistan eventually will have to get off the fence; until they do, then civilians will get caught in deplorable incidents and the propagandists will have a field day.

That again is oppression. Give me one good reason why I should support you in the fight against the taliban. You came here to uporoot Aqlaeeda and find OBL. You couldn't. The fight against the taliban is just a cover up for something that you couldn't do. Don't get me wrong. The taliban are evil people. But the US has no right whatsoever fighting them. Now you are threatening us because we won't kill them? I'll say it again - Go to hell a hundred times.

And nobody replied to this:

Let's turn it around, there are terrorists in Miami, the US harbours them including the notorious Luis Posada Carriles who orcestrated the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 that killed all 73 on board. Yet he is a free man and the US refuses to extradite him to Cuba to face charges. How would the Americans feel if Cuban intelligence found out where these anti-Castro terrorists are hiding out and launches attacks that killed these terrorists along with a few civilians. I think everyone will know the response from the yankees. Yankees are the biggest hypocrites and bullies around, it's time for the impoverished world to hit back. I hope Pakistan and other countries stand up to American aggression and end this evil empire.

Is that because Americans are righteous people?