Obama Makes Another Threat

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Saddam killed more muslims than we ever will. Complain at his grave.

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GWB is now giving Saddam keen competition, the US occupation, intended or not, has resulted in the violet deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and the dislocation of millions. With the death of Saddam, his numbers are capped, the USA has limitless remaining potential.

Its very hard to don a halo with a record like that.

Winar111, the UN is still a force to consider, and the USA is skating on very thin ice if we expect the UN seal of approval to continue much longer.

The USA is in pretty deep do do over collateral damage as it is.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Yet your country admits to cooperating with the Taliban and AQ.

Then it complains when they cause you problems.

Your country chose to turn a blind eye and were repeatedly asked to do something about it.


What this may signal is that since Pakistan does not want to control their territory; then there is no problem with NATO going after the troublemakers that live within the territory.

Sovereignty has gone out the window - you tried to pick and choose; now there is not choice. You chose to give the Taliban and AQ sanctuary - now you have to actually protect them from a pissed off professional group of soldiers.

Can and will you do so?


You have a few choices.

Cooperate w/ NATO and accept the results
Resist NATO with force and accept the results
Pretend it did not happen and keep on whoring yourself to both sides. that is what has gotten you into this mess.

say, why didn't you go after AQ right after 9/11 instead of dicking around in iraq? 150,000+ troops in iraq vs a few thousand in afghan.

just curious. the ones in afghan were the real killers after all. right?

right?

no, right?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: winnar111
Saddam killed more muslims than we ever will. Complain at his grave.

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GWB is now giving Saddam keen competition, the US occupation, intended or not, has resulted in the violet deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and the dislocation of millions. With the death of Saddam, his numbers are capped, the USA has limitless remaining potential.

Its very hard to don a halo with a record like that.

Winar111, the UN is still a force to consider, and the USA is skating on very thin ice if we expect the UN seal of approval to continue much longer.

The USA is in pretty deep do do over collateral damage as it is.

The US might, but George Bush won't have. His numbers are hard capped too, with only has a few more months to go.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The USA is in pretty deep do do over collateral damage as it is.

...primarily as a result of idiots like yourself and TGB who actually believe that we've been arbitrarily killing civilians -- you've bought into the Taliban PR hook, line, and sinker.

The "Pakistani civilians" TGB keeps referring to were, in fact, hundreds of armed Taliban mixed in with a handful of the women and children they hide behind.

I'm sorry, but if I'm given a chance to kill 20+ Taliban, even at the risk of 2-4 civilian human shields, I'm pulling the fucking trigger.

The difference lies in who we're aiming at -- our intended targets. Just last year, one of several sects of the Taliban intentionally targeted and killed 1200+ truly innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Where was TGB's outrage then?

Fuck that... we're coming to set things right.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The USA is in pretty deep do do over collateral damage as it is.

...primarily as a result of idiots like yourself and TGB who actually believe that we've been arbitrarily killing civilians -- you've bought into the Taliban PR hook, line, and sinker.

The "Pakistani civilians" TGB keeps referring to were, in fact, hundreds of armed Taliban mixed in with a handful of the women and children they hide behind.

I'm sorry, but if I'm given a chance to kill 20+ Taliban, even at the risk of 2-4 civilian human shields, I'm pulling the fucking trigger.

The difference lies in who we're aiming at -- our intended targets. Just last year, one of several sects of the Taliban intentionally targeted and killed 1200+ truly innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Where was TGB's outrage then?

Fuck that... we're coming to set things right.

This is an American forum. Most posters are Americans. I will take my rage against the taliban and the Pakistani government elsewhere.

And you have no proof that you have killed more taliban than civilians. Amateur videos from Afghanistan and USA prove otherwise. Read the link posted by LL a while ago. The same thing is happening on the Pakistani side.

If the Pakistani Army doesn't do anything; it seems like the tribals are uniting in raising a militia to fight the USA. You can call it terrorism. To me it will be a freedom struggle.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The USA is in pretty deep do do over collateral damage as it is.

...primarily as a result of idiots like yourself and TGB who actually believe that we've been arbitrarily killing civilians -- you've bought into the Taliban PR hook, line, and sinker.

The "Pakistani civilians" TGB keeps referring to were, in fact, hundreds of armed Taliban mixed in with a handful of the women and children they hide behind.

I'm sorry, but if I'm given a chance to kill 20+ Taliban, even at the risk of 2-4 civilian human shields, I'm pulling the fucking trigger.

The difference lies in who we're aiming at -- our intended targets. Just last year, one of several sects of the Taliban intentionally targeted and killed 1200+ truly innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Where was TGB's outrage then?

Fuck that... we're coming to set things right.

This is an American forum. Most posters are Americans. I will take my rage against the taliban and the Pakistani government elsewhere.

And you have no proof that you have killed more taliban than civilians. Amateur videos from Afghanistan and USA prove otherwise. Read the link posted by LL a while ago. The same thing is happening on the Pakistani side.

If the Pakistani Army doesn't do anything; it seems like the tribals are uniting in raising a militia to fight the USA. You can call it terrorism. To me it will be a freedom struggle.

Stop harboring terrorists and you wont have to have a "freedom struggle".

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The USA is in pretty deep do do over collateral damage as it is.

...primarily as a result of idiots like yourself and TGB who actually believe that we've been arbitrarily killing civilians -- you've bought into the Taliban PR hook, line, and sinker.

The "Pakistani civilians" TGB keeps referring to were, in fact, hundreds of armed Taliban mixed in with a handful of the women and children they hide behind.

I'm sorry, but if I'm given a chance to kill 20+ Taliban, even at the risk of 2-4 civilian human shields, I'm pulling the fucking trigger.

The difference lies in who we're aiming at -- our intended targets. Just last year, one of several sects of the Taliban intentionally targeted and killed 1200+ truly innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Where was TGB's outrage then?

Fuck that... we're coming to set things right.

This is an American forum. Most posters are Americans. I will take my rage against the taliban and the Pakistani government elsewhere.

And you have no proof that you have killed more taliban than civilians. Amateur videos from Afghanistan and USA prove otherwise. Read the link posted by LL a while ago. The same thing is happening on the Pakistani side.

If the Pakistani Army doesn't do anything; it seems like the tribals are uniting in raising a militia to fight the USA. You can call it terrorism. To me it will be a freedom struggle.

Stop harboring terrorists and you wont have to have a "freedom struggle".

What about the terrorists you are harbouing?

Let's turn it around, there are terrorists in Miami, the US harbours them including the notorious Luis Posada Carriles who orcestrated the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 that killed all 73 on board. Yet he is a free man and the US refuses to extradite him to Cuba to face charges. How would the Americans feel if Cuban intelligence found out where these anti-Castro terrorists are hiding out and launches attacks that killed these terrorists along with a few civilians. I think everyone will know the response from the yankees. Yankees are the biggest hypocrites and bullies around, it's time for the impoverished world to hit back. I hope Pakistan and other countries stand up to American aggression and end this evil empire.

 

[nick1985]

Where is the link to your article? Oh, and Im glad you can admit your country harbors terrorists.

 

[Lemon law]

Even as some elements of the Pakistani ISI does co operate with the Taliban, on balance, the Pakistani army has lost more troops battling Al-Quida and the Taliban than Nato has.

Maybe we need to realize that all things are relative and not absolutes.

But even the Pakistani army is not all that welcome in the semi-autonomous tribal regions of Pakistan, and its not rocket science to predict the top Al-Quida and Taliban leaders are switching hiding places now that GWB has decided to try taking the gloves off and go into the Tribal areas of Pakistan.

Which is basically is going to mean all the carefully gathered intel JOS says Nato has on locations to attack inside the tribal areas will now be worthless. Consider also, every man woman, and child will regard every single Nato boot on the ground as a blood enemy, and anything less than large groups with overwhelming strength will be sniped at every step of the way, not just by Al-Quida and Taliban members, but the entire population. And unless Nato troops are prepared to take very high Causalities, its going to force a switch to the use of only Nato air power, and when that resultant bombing is going to be based on dated intel, its again not hard to predict we are going to have a totally unprecedented number of local collateral damage that will result in world wide condemnation of the USA and Nato.

If one is incredibly stupid, the GWB plan looks good on paper and the shortest way to victory, but when what I have outlined is the almost certain way the results will actually play out, its the fastest way to lose.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Even as some elements of the Pakistani ISI does co operate with the Taliban, on balance, the Pakistani army has lost more troops battling Al-Quida and the Taliban than Nato has.

So whats that tell you about the Pakistani army?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Even as some elements of the Pakistani ISI does co operate with the Taliban, on balance, the Pakistani army has lost more troops battling Al-Quida and the Taliban than Nato has.

So whats that tell you about the Pakistani army?

Its like any other army, including our own, it operates in its own self interests.

After all, we have our own Charles Grangers, Lynde Englands, and a host of crooks and thieves out to make a buck any way they can. Its not to say we don't have a hell of a lots of dedicated people also, but it just takes a few rotten apples to spoil a group image.

Your other delusion is that Pakistan thinks the US and Nato problems are their problems, it just does not work that way in international politics. Pakistan has its own problems, and for some strange reason, they are concerned about their own problems.

Just more of GWB's my way or the highway that is flopping all over the world.

 

[Lemon law]

And the Official Afghan final verdict is out on the Azizabad strike.

Not a single Taliban or Al-Quida killed. 90 totally innocent civilians killed.

Entire strikes based on false intel that Nato bought hook line and sinker. Three Afghan civilians who lied to Nato arrested by the Afghan government.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...CGJUBAFDUGBP33Xd.s0NUE

 

[Lemon law]

And now as General Petreaus turns over overall command of Iraq to a subordinate, he now assumes overall command of both Iraq and Afghanistan. And looking to make some political progress in Afghanistan
because he conceded we will not kill our way out of an insurgency. And seems prepared to give a fresh look at who we must look for to include in the Afghan political process. In fact he made a whole series of statements that I hope can lead to some positive progress.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...LZRY8uhYCTrlxJBCWs0NUE

 

[The Green Bean]

US troops' attempt to enter inside Pakistan's territory foiled
Updated at: 1210 PST, Monday, September 15, 2008
WANA: Pakistan Army and local tribes on Monday foiled an attempt of US troops to enter inside Pakistan?s territory through two American helicopters.

According to sources, US troops boarded on two helicopters were trying to enter onto Pakistan?s areas near Angoor Adda along Pak-Afghan border when local tribes and troops of Pakistan army resisted the move and opened fire, forcing US helicopters to return.

Sources said situation remains tense in the area while local tribals along with Pakistan army are also positioned to face any untoward situation.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=55289

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Pak jets scare US planes away
BAGRAM/NORTH WAZIRISTAN: Tribal elders are seriously considering summoning a grand jirga of all tribal areas to form "joint lashkar" to counter any US attack.

It was told after the jirga meeting of local tribal elders, which was called on Sunday to form a 'lashkar' to counter any US-led NATO forces' attack inside Pakistan. Earlier, Pakistan jet fighters have forced the US jet fighters to leave the area near the Pak-Afghan border and North Waziristan. While the US predators' flights continued on Sunday.

Reportedly, the US F-18 Hornet fighters took off from the Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan, entered into Pakistan and flew over its territory for 11 minutes. However, two Pakistan F-16 fighters have compelled them to leave the area.

Pakistan jet fighters have started its routine flights to monitor the US spy planes and the Pak-Afghan border. The locals have lauded Pakistan Army for the defence.

The jirga said the US spy planes' movement had increased in areas of the Bajaur Agency, Dama Dola, Shekai, Chena Bandy, Miran Shah and Wana.

The local tribal elders have expressed dissatisfaction over the measures taken by government for their security. They urged the government to take stringent security measures to protect masses' lives and property.
http://www.thepost.com.pk/Main...T.aspx?b...=2&catid=14

ISLAMABAD/LONDON: Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani and President Asif Ali Zardari vowed Sunday to defend the country's airspace and not to allow incursions by US forces in Afghanistan.

Missile strikes have killed 38 people in Pakistan in the past week and Islamabad has blamed the attacks on US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, straining its relationship with its key ally.

Gillani telephoned Zardari late Saturday to discuss the strikes, a statement said Sunday.

"Gillani called the president of Pakistan last night in Dubai and discussed frequent violations of the country's airspace and incursions by the US forces with him," said the statement issued by Gillani's office.

"Both the leaders have unanimity of views that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country should be respected at all costs."

Both leaders vowed to defend Pakistan, the statement added. US and Afghan officials say Pakistan's tribal areas are a safe haven for al-Qaeda and Taliban militants who sneaked into the rugged region after the fall of the Taliban regime in late 2001.

Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, are widely believed to be hiding in the mountainous region. Pakistan has also accused Afghanistan-based troops of carrying out a direct attack on its territory, a raid in the South Waziristan tribal zone that left 15 people dead.

Meanwhile, President Zardari said he would seek an international conference for launching a new dialogue to tackle terrorism at the UN General Assembly later this month.

"Whatever medicine we've been using it hasn't ended the poison, it's made it worse," Zardari was quoted as saying by The Sunday Times ahead of his visit to Britain.

It was earlier supposed to be a private visit to take his daughter Bakhtawar to Edinburgh University to begin her degree course. But now, he will hold meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Foreign Secretary David Miliband.

Zardari told the newspaper recently that he felt Pakistan was being blamed for NATO's failure in Afghanistan. "Okay, we're really bad and done everything wrong this side of the border, but has NATO been able to control the situation with all its soldiers or come up with a proper Afghan army as yet?" "I'm not pointing fingers, just saying we've all come short of expectations," he was quoted as saying.

Zardari said "if the problem was two on a scale of one to ten, now it's nine. I'm proposing to the world that we players should all get together and start a new dialogue.

I don't know how reliable the 2nd link is. But if it's for real; then this is a major development. God give us strength.

 

[OCGuy]

Yes, your imaginary man in the sky will give you "strength." Us going after extremists in your country is like me having to pay income tax. Its going to happen, and there isnt much you can do about it. Well, you can complain on US message boards, I guess.

 

[BurnItDwn]

So, the US sends in some troops to help the Pakistani's clean up their mess, and Pakistan throws a hissy fit .... way to go there Pakistan.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Pak jets scare US planes away
BAGRAM/NORTH WAZIRISTAN: Tribal elders are seriously considering summoning a grand jirga of all tribal areas to form "joint lashkar" to counter any US attack.

It was told after the jirga meeting of local tribal elders, which was called on Sunday to form a 'lashkar' to counter any US-led NATO forces' attack inside Pakistan. Earlier, Pakistan jet fighters have forced the US jet fighters to leave the area near the Pak-Afghan border and North Waziristan. While the US predators' flights continued on Sunday.

Reportedly, the US F-18 Hornet fighters took off from the Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan, entered into Pakistan and flew over its territory for 11 minutes. However, two Pakistan F-16 fighters have compelled them to leave the area.

Pakistan jet fighters have started its routine flights to monitor the US spy planes and the Pak-Afghan border. The locals have lauded Pakistan Army for the defence.

The jirga said the US spy planes' movement had increased in areas of the Bajaur Agency, Dama Dola, Shekai, Chena Bandy, Miran Shah and Wana.

The local tribal elders have expressed dissatisfaction over the measures taken by government for their security. They urged the government to take stringent security measures to protect masses' lives and property.
http://www.thepost.com.pk/Main...T.aspx?b...=2&catid=14

It's much more likely US forces have ROEs that prohibit them from getting in tangles with the Pakistani military. It would be unwise to mistake restraint for fear.

 

[Woofmeister]

I agree with Green Bean. The heroic Islamic warriors of Pakistan should immediately stand up and fight the unjust American oppressors who recklessly intrude on the sacred sovereignty of Pakistan. Moreover, the Pakistani government should immediately cut off any contact with the Imperialist Americans and engage in no dealings with them.

Now when can we expect our $11 Billion in aid that we've given to Pakistan since 9-11 back?

 

[The Green Bean]

ISLAMABAD: Firing by Pakistani troops forced US military helicopters to turn back to Afghanistan after they crossed into Pakistani territory early on Monday, Pakistani security officials said.

The incident took place near Angoor Adda, a village in the tribal region of South Waziristan where US commandos in helicopters raided a suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban camp earlier this month.

?The US choppers came into Pakistan by just 100 to 150 metres at Angoor Adda. Even then our troops did not spare them, opened fire on them and they turned away,? said one security official.

The US and Pakistani military both denied that account, but Angoor Adda villagers and officials supported it.

Another security official said on Monday that US armoured vehicles were also seen moving on the Afghan side of the border, while US warplanes were seen overhead.

He said Pakistani soldiers sounded a bugle call and fired in the air, forcing the helicopters to return to Afghan territory.

CONFLICTING VERSIONS

The Pakistan army's chief military spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas, denied there had been any such incident. ?These reports are not correct,? he said.

?We have checked, there is an FC (Frontier Corps) post in the area. No helicopter came inside our side of the border, nor did our troops fire at any,? Abbas said.

Military spokesman Major Murad Khan confirmed that there had been shooting. But he said the American helicopters had not crossed into Pakistani airspace and Pakistani troops were not responsible for the firing.

?The US choppers were there at the border, but they did not violate our airspace,? Khan said. ?We confirm that there was a firing incident at the time when the helicopters were there, but our forces were not involved.?

A spokesman for the US military at Bagram Airbase, north of Kabul, said its forces had not reported any such incident. ?The unit in the area belongs to the (US-led) coalition. They are not reporting any such incident,? the US military spokesman said.

But the official denials were contradicted by Pakistani civilian officials and villagers in Angoor Adda.

One official told Reuters that ?the troops stationed at BP-27 post fired at the choppers and they turned away.?

A resident described the tension in the village through the night. ?We saw helicopters flying all over the area. We stayed awake the whole night after the incident,? he said.

A more reliable source. I think this sends a clear message to the US that they shouldn't be messing around if they want our support in the WOT. Without our support you CAN NOT win. We will cause havoc in Afghanistan and unleash the ISI. I won't agree with their tactics of suicide bombings but it will happen if something does happen on the border. IEDs going off everywhere in Afghanistan, Pakistan openly supporting militancy against the US and NATO in Afghanistan and our region will probably be screwed for decades to come. Perhaps it would be the right time for the US to leave.

I also heard reports of India sending 150,000 troops to Afghanistan. I don't know if they can afford it but if they do it our region will NEVER stabilize. Perhaps what Afghanistan needs is a U.N force made up of muslim countries. That will dramatically being down violence. You aren't going to be finding OBL ever so it's better if you leave us alone and not waste your billions risking economic collapse (Which might already have been triggered).

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
I agree with Green Bean. The heroic Islamic warriors of Pakistan should immediately stand up and fight the unjust American oppressors who recklessly intrude on the sacred sovereignty of Pakistan. Moreover, the Pakistani government should immediately cut off any contact with the Imperialist Americans and engage in no dealings with them.

Now when can we expect our $11 Billion in aid that we've given to Pakistan since 9-11 back?

Just as soon as you hand us over the F16s you owe us for decades. Perhaps we can blame the Kargil loss and sanctions on that which cost us more than $11bn. Maybe your country can compensate.

 

[The Green Bean]

A post from a Pakistani message board just for you guys to get a broader picture on what people here think.

See what the US and the West NEED TO UNDERSTAND and UNDERSTAND VERY VERY WELL is this:

I am a regular normal Pakistani ..... a muslim who is ANTI-EXTREMISM .... ANTI-TALIBAN ..... and COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY ANTI AL-QAEDA and strongly abhorr and condemn terrorism and any terrorist acts carried out whether in Pakistan or in the US or in the UK or anywhere in the world for that matter!

I TOTALLY support my Army and my Government in WIPING out these narrow-minded people who have PERVERTED Islam .... I cheer when our Army kills Extremists .... and WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO ....

I share with the West A STRONG BELIEF IN FREEDOM OF CHOICE and LIBERTY and EQUALITY, HUMAN RIGHTS and a FREE ECONOMY and will strive in any which way possible for me and applaud when I see the West contribute to the same in my country ....

BUT

even a person like me ..... from a well educated family .... where my Grandfather had a Master's degree in Civil Engineering and both my parents have been educated to Master's degree level with more than one Master's degree each .... from a middle class background ..... with a family that is well educated and established ....

EVEN A PERSON LIKE ME ....

WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL ALONGSIDE MY ARMY IF ANYONE .... EVEN IF IT IS THE US .... TRIES TO ATTACK MY COUNTRY .....

They need to UNDERSTAND THIS!!!

So I'm all for it ..... they underestimate us ..... we have fought wars with a country 10 times our size right next door ....

despite all their technological prowess .... we can TAKE THEM ON AND WIN!!!

If they RESPECT US ..... WE WILL RESPECT THEM .....

IF THEY DON'T RESPECT US .... WE WILL TEACH THEM HOW TO RESPECT US ....

We are NOT Iraq!!

BRING IT ON!!!

PAKISTAN ZINDABAAD!!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

ISLAMABAD: Firing by Pakistani troops forced US military helicopters to turn back to Afghanistan after they crossed into Pakistani territory early on Monday, Pakistani security officials said.

The incident took place near Angoor Adda, a village in the tribal region of South Waziristan where US commandos in helicopters raided a suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban camp earlier this month.

?The US choppers came into Pakistan by just 100 to 150 metres at Angoor Adda. Even then our troops did not spare them, opened fire on them and they turned away,? said one security official.

The US and Pakistani military both denied that account, but Angoor Adda villagers and officials supported it.

Another security official said on Monday that US armoured vehicles were also seen moving on the Afghan side of the border, while US warplanes were seen overhead.

He said Pakistani soldiers sounded a bugle call and fired in the air, forcing the helicopters to return to Afghan territory.

CONFLICTING VERSIONS

The Pakistan army's chief military spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas, denied there had been any such incident. ?These reports are not correct,? he said.

?We have checked, there is an FC (Frontier Corps) post in the area. No helicopter came inside our side of the border, nor did our troops fire at any,? Abbas said.

Military spokesman Major Murad Khan confirmed that there had been shooting. But he said the American helicopters had not crossed into Pakistani airspace and Pakistani troops were not responsible for the firing.

?The US choppers were there at the border, but they did not violate our airspace,? Khan said. ?We confirm that there was a firing incident at the time when the helicopters were there, but our forces were not involved.?

A spokesman for the US military at Bagram Airbase, north of Kabul, said its forces had not reported any such incident. ?The unit in the area belongs to the (US-led) coalition. They are not reporting any such incident,? the US military spokesman said.

But the official denials were contradicted by Pakistani civilian officials and villagers in Angoor Adda.

One official told Reuters that ?the troops stationed at BP-27 post fired at the choppers and they turned away.?

A resident described the tension in the village through the night. ?We saw helicopters flying all over the area. We stayed awake the whole night after the incident,? he said.

A more reliable source. I think this sends a clear message to the US that they shouldn't be messing around if they want our support in the WOT. Without our support you CAN NOT win. We will cause havoc in Afghanistan and unleash the ISI. I won't agree with their tactics of suicide bombings but it will happen if something does happen on the border. IEDs going off everywhere in Afghanistan, Pakistan openly supporting militancy against the US and NATO in Afghanistan and our region will probably be screwed for decades to come. Perhaps it would be the right time for the US to leave.

I also heard reports of India sending 150,000 troops to Afghanistan. I don't know if they can afford it but if they do it our region will NEVER stabilize. Perhaps what Afghanistan needs is a U.N force made up of muslim countries. That will dramatically being down violence. You aren't going to be finding OBL ever so it's better if you leave us alone and not waste your billions risking economic collapse (Which might already have been triggered).

If your support includes ceding parts of your country to the terrorist groups and not engaging them for fear or reprisals. You can keep it.

India sending 150,000 troops? Who fed you that line, some state run propaganda source? I dont see India sending 5x the number of troops we have to Afghanistan. They have enough problems as is.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

A more reliable source. I think this sends a clear message to the US that they shouldn't be messing around if they want our support in the WOT. Without our support you CAN NOT win. We will cause havoc in Afghanistan and unleash the ISI. I won't agree with their tactics of suicide bombings but it will happen if something does happen on the border. IEDs going off everywhere in Afghanistan, Pakistan openly supporting militancy against the US and NATO in Afghanistan and our region will probably be screwed for decades to come. Perhaps it would be the right time for the US to leave.

I also heard reports of India sending 150,000 troops to Afghanistan. I don't know if they can afford it but if they do it our region will NEVER stabilize. Perhaps what Afghanistan needs is a U.N force made up of muslim countries. That will dramatically being down violence. You aren't going to be finding OBL ever so it's better if you leave us alone and not waste your billions risking economic collapse (Which might already have been triggered).

I wouldn't qualify your government not financially and materially supporting terrorism against NATO forces inside Afghanistan as "support". The US has already shown its willingness to cross the border to strike at targets in the tribal areas. So far the Pakistani military has kept mostly out of it, turning the ISI lose to kill NATO troops will alter the equation decidedly not in your favor.

I've seen no credible reports that Indian troops are going to Afghanistan. A coalition of Muslim forces in this area would be worse than useless.

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
I agree with Green Bean. The heroic Islamic warriors of Pakistan should immediately stand up and fight the unjust American oppressors who recklessly intrude on the sacred sovereignty of Pakistan. Moreover, the Pakistani government should immediately cut off any contact with the Imperialist Americans and engage in no dealings with them.

Now when can we expect our $11 Billion in aid that we've given to Pakistan since 9-11 back?

Just as soon as you hand us over the F16s you owe us for decades. Perhaps we can blame the Kargil loss and sanctions on that which cost us more than $11bn. Maybe your country can compensate.

Uh, sanctions against Pakistan were dropped on September 22, 1991 as part of the deal that Pakistan would assist the U.S. in fighting al-Qaeda and the Taliban. We also agreed to allow Pakistan to buy F-16s in 2005 (using money we gave to Pakistan in aid no less.) The Clinton Administration reimbursed Pakistan for the prior purchase of F-16s canceled as a result of disclosure of Pakistan's undeclared nuclear weapons program. Source.

Where's our money you ingrates?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Genx87
India sending 150,000 troops? Who fed you that line, some state run propaganda source? I dont see India sending 5x the number of troops we have to Afghanistan. They have enough problems as is.

There is an article in the Indian newspaper: http://timesofindia.indiatimes...rticleshow/3480892.cms

But the number 150,000 troops appeared on a Pakistani news channel (banned from broadcasting from Pakistan and now based in HK). However this channel spreads false rumors which including that Musharraf had been killed during the emergency which caused the stock market to almost crash. I wouldn't take it too seriously but that's why I said "I heard"