Obama inherited a fiscal disaster. Now what?

[BarneyFife]

LOL@the resident 40k republicans acting all innocent in this. It was their moronic ideas that got us there in the first place. You guys are a joke.

 

[Zebo]

We are fucked but we are stronger than most because of military arsenal prevents a Romaneque type downfall.

What I mean is remember when USSR went belly up and how trillions went into Russia's treasury for fear of dissolution, unrest and proliferation? Same thing here. Foreigners will do everything they can to bail out USA.

Does not mean we can ever pay the bills but we have world hostage ATM.

 

[StageLeft]

Does not mean we can ever pay the bills but we have world hostage ATM.

This is true to a great degree. It's like joining the mob and the US is the don. Once you're in the only way out is by a bodybag in the river

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
LOL@the resident 40k republicans acting all innocent in this. It was their moronic ideas that got us there in the first place. You guys are a joke.

I don't know one member on this message board that is a member of congress. Drop the partisan crap.

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thanks Bush for increasing the national debt by $4 trillion in your 8 years as President.

The American people spoke in 2006, and again in 2008, about who they want controlling their tax dollars.

Hint: it's not the GOP.

And Obama is at $1 trillion per month so far.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thanks Bush for increasing the national debt by $4 trillion in your 8 years as President.

The American people spoke in 2006, and again in 2008, about who they want controlling their tax dollars.

Hint: it's not the GOP.

So I'm supposed to feel bad that beacuse Bush wasted a lot of money, now there's not as much money for Obama to waste instead? Start naming entire Cabinet departments you want to do away with, or an entire category of spending you want to discontinue, then I'll take you serious that you're really concerned about how federal money gets spent. Until then, you're just another enabler.

 

[DealMonkey]

So riddle me this, my Republican friends: What would a GOP Administration (assuming backing from Congress) do in the midst of this financial melt-down? Cut taxes? Frankly, that won't have any sort of immediate effect on the economy. Send out more stimulus checks to the taxpayers? How much does that cost? $150 Billion? More? The '08 stimulus checks only seemed to register the briefest of upward blips on the economy. Not exactly effective.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: dahunan
^^^ $1,000,000,000,000 doesn't make you bitter? Not even counting the TARP and other BS as he was leaving office.. lol

I had my bitter phase under Reagan with a hangover from Carter to boot. After a while I discovered that being bitter was counter-productive and that much of what I was bitter about was based on speculative ignorance about how we were throwing our children's future away, destroying this great country, blah, blah, blah, along with spouting much of the same cliched crap bandied about in here about Bush now.

That's why I roll my eyes now when I see people like you post. I used to be you. Thankfully I'm not anymore.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So riddle me this, my Republican friends: What would a GOP Administration (assuming backing from Congress) do in the midst of this financial melt-down? Cut taxes? Frankly, that won't have any sort of immediate effect on the economy. Send out more stimulus checks to the taxpayers? How much does that cost? $150 Billion? More? The '08 stimulus checks only seemed to register the briefest of upward blips on the economy. Not exactly effective.

We need to stop going into more debt to try and pay off debt. What is supposed to fail should fail. Yes, it will hurt. But delaying it by printing more voodoo money or selling our soul to China will only make it a harder fall in the long run.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So riddle me this, my Republican friends: What would a GOP Administration (assuming backing from Congress) do in the midst of this financial melt-down? Cut taxes? Frankly, that won't have any sort of immediate effect on the economy. Send out more stimulus checks to the taxpayers? How much does that cost? $150 Billion? More? The '08 stimulus checks only seemed to register the briefest of upward blips on the economy. Not exactly effective.

How about change corporate regulations, beef up the SEC, have an FDIC intervention and split up failing banks, and just let the economy ride out it's cycle as normal.

Instead the recession will be lengthened as long as we continue doing this dumb bailout and stimulus crap, and the end result will be a larger deficit as well.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So riddle me this, my Republican friends: What would a GOP Administration (assuming backing from Congress) do in the midst of this financial melt-down? Cut taxes? Frankly, that won't have any sort of immediate effect on the economy. Send out more stimulus checks to the taxpayers? How much does that cost? $150 Billion? More? The '08 stimulus checks only seemed to register the briefest of upward blips on the economy. Not exactly effective.

Ideally cut corporate income taxes and perhaps shore up bank liquidity. The current stimulus package wont have any effect on the economy either, but it costs 800 billion vs cutting corporate taxes which would be considerably less.

Funny that you acknowledge the stimulus checks from last summer did nothing like we all said it would. But support a bigger stimulus package.

 

[LTC8K6]

Whenever you inherit a fiscal disaster, you should always try to triple it as your first major act...

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So riddle me this, my Republican friends: What would a GOP Administration (assuming backing from Congress) do in the midst of this financial melt-down? Cut taxes? Frankly, that won't have any sort of immediate effect on the economy. Send out more stimulus checks to the taxpayers? How much does that cost? $150 Billion? More? The '08 stimulus checks only seemed to register the briefest of upward blips on the economy. Not exactly effective.

Reagan, 1981-82.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: dahunan
^^^ $1,000,000,000,000 doesn't make you bitter? Not even counting the TARP and other BS as he was leaving office.. lol

Not only did Obama vote for TARP, he owns half of it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The OP sounds the bitterest of all in this thread. After reading his partisan whining/trolling based on distorted and cherry-picked facts there's an overwhelming urge to phone Conjur's wahmbulance for him.

Oh? Where were you in the threads concerning whether Obama's got the thermostat "cranked up" or perhaps the other whine-fest about where Obama went for V-Day?

At least I pick relevant shit to be upset about.

I didn't need to say anything in those threads that wasn't already said about how moronically stupid they were.

And, sure, this is relevant shit to be upset about. What you don't seem to grasp though is that this rim job we're geting now has been a bipartisan effort that has gone on for decades. Trying to pin the blame on Bush is disingenuous and no less moronic than whining about the WH thermostat or where Obama took his wife on Valentines Day.

 

[sandorski]

8 years of failure is expensive to fix.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: sandorski
8 years of failure is expensive to fix.

"But... but... Bush..." people are funny here Its like a train wreck.. you just can't help stretching your neck..

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: sandorski
8 years of failure is expensive to fix.

"But... but... Bush..." people are funny here Its like a train wreck.. you just can't help stretching your neck..

Who is laughing? Blame lies where blame lies. Sorry about your hero.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: sandorski
8 years of failure is expensive to fix.

"But... but... Bush..." people are funny here Its like a train wreck.. you just can't help stretching your neck..

Who is laughing? Blame lies where blame lies. Sorry about your hero.

"But... but ... Bush"... or are you the one who calls Bush, "shrub"? I don't know.. whatever.. play on player

 

[JSt0rm]

eleison I'm confused as to what your stance is. Are you saying "yes 8 years of failure but now lets look forward?" or are you saying "Bush was fine you guys are all lame."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So riddle me this, my Republican friends: What would a GOP Administration (assuming backing from Congress) do in the midst of this financial melt-down? Cut taxes? Frankly, that won't have any sort of immediate effect on the economy. Send out more stimulus checks to the taxpayers? How much does that cost? $150 Billion? More? The '08 stimulus checks only seemed to register the briefest of upward blips on the economy. Not exactly effective.

Ideally cut corporate income taxes and perhaps shore up bank liquidity. The current stimulus package wont have any effect on the economy either, but it costs 800 billion vs cutting corporate taxes which would be considerably less.

Funny that you acknowledge the stimulus checks from last summer did nothing like we all said it would. But support a bigger stimulus package.

I don't fully support it. It seems Bush and now Obama are listening to the economists who seem to believe you cannot sit idly by and allow a recession to happen. I believe that stimulus packages probably DO have a positive effect on the economy, my only doubts are about how MUCH of an effect they have. I wonder if it can even be measured?

As for the banks, it'll be interesting to see what happens after Geithner does his "stress test" on the nation's 15 largest banks. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that 10 of them are actually insolvent.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
eleison I'm confused as to what your stance is. Are you saying "yes 8 years of failure but now lets look forward?" or are you saying "Bush was fine you guys are all lame."

You forgot the 3rd option: 8 years of Bush's failure, and now at least 4 years of the same...

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
eleison I'm confused as to what your stance is. Are you saying "yes 8 years of failure but now lets look forward?" or are you saying "Bush was fine you guys are all lame."

You forgot the 3rd option: 8 years of Bush's failure, and now at least 4 years of the same...

Thats pretty defeatist. I'm going to have to give Obama 2 years and see what happens.

 

[alchemize]

Hi DM

How do you explain the last two budgets? Link to where democrat senators filibustered previous 6 years budgets?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I knew things were in the shitter economically, but I don't think the average American understands exactly HOW bad things really are. For example, did you know that your per capita share of America's total obligations, including entitlements, is more than $184,000 each? Holy debt-loads Batman, that's about 1/2 million bucks for the average American family. How does that feel?

Did you know that Team Bush borrowed $1 Trillion form the Social Security "trust" fund?

WTF did he spend that on?

Anyway, read on, some interesting stuff, especially with regards to the possibility that our AAA credit rating might be dinged as soon as 2012 as a result of this fiscal melt-down.

Obama inherited a fiscal disaster. Now what?
Without swift action, gargantuan debts could soon destroy Uncle Sam's credit rating.

WASHINGTON - Few Americans have any idea how bad the financial problems are that President Obama inherited from the Bush administration. Never mind the housing bubble, the bank meltdown, or the bailout scandals ? I am talking about the failure of federal government to honestly account either for its own actions or for America's most important programs: Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

George W. Bush took office after three years of budget surpluses under President Bill Clinton. Eight years later, Obama walked into the Oval Office to find ? gift-wrapped with a bow, as he recently joked ? almost $11 trillion in Treasury debt, and deficits of more than $1 trillion a year for the foreseeable future. That's a $30,000 burden on every man, woman, and child in America, on top of the taxes they are already paying. Under better management, that number could have been zero.

If this weren't bad enough, President Bush's financial legacy is marred by other fundamental problems. Bush's team borrowed more than $1 trillion from the Social Security "trust fund" and seemed to spend it on everything except Social Security. Like Blanche DuBois in Tennessee Williams's "Streetcar Named Desire," Social Security now depends on the kindness of strangers ? namely, future taxpayers and foreign lenders.

Worse, the Bush administration refused to tell the public about the extraordinary underfunding or overpromising of our major entitlement programs. According to an audited Treasury report, Medicare is $34 trillion in the hole and Social Security is another $13 trillion. We don't even know how to measure Medicaid's problems, but some estimates put the shortfall around $30 trillion. To put this in perspective, the entire fiscal gap for America is at least four times as great as our total annual gross domestic product.

The US Treasury's Financial Report of the US Government is the key document for understanding these problems because it is the only place where Uncle Sam uses real accounting and audited numbers, just as every major company, charity, or state or local government is required to do by law. It is released every Dec. 15, and is available on the Treasury website. Until now, you have probably never heard of the Financial Report.

To its credit, the Obama White House has added a link to the Financial Report on its website, a step the Bush administration never took. The report will tell you that the per capita share of America's total obligations, including entitlements, is more than $184,000 each. The typical American family's share is roughly half a million dollars.

The truth hurts. But the real news is that the 2008 fiscal gap was more than $3 trillion and worsening fast due to our entitlement problems. Hardly any reporter covered this story. And this was before the cost of economic recovery or shoring up our financial system. Including these costs, the 2009 fiscal gap could approach $5 trillion.

Whether due to tradition, inertia, or ignorance, Uncle Sam refuses to weigh himself on an honest scale. It's a decision with serious consequences.

Two leading credit rating agencies on Wall Street, Standard & Poor's and Moody's, projected ? while Bush was still president ? that the US Treasury bond could lose its AAA rating as soon as 2012. If we allow this projection to come true, the US will have plummeted from the prospect of being debt-free to destroying its credit rating in only eight years.

Standard & Poor's was unusually specific in its projection. It said that the US could have the same credit rating as Estonia or Greece by 2015, Poland or Mexico by 2020, and Panama by 2025. Panama's debt is below investment grade; it's junk. How can the greatest nation in the world be reduced to such comparisons? The answer is eight years of financial mismanagement.

The first rule of holes is to stop digging. President Bush not only failed to stop digging, he used a power shovel. The giant task of the Obama administration will be to build a tall enough ladder to help us climb out. This is a job that will take many years ? perhaps decades.

The construction project starts Feb. 23, when Obama is expected to host a fiscal responsibility summit at the White House. His first challenge will be to explain the massive scope of the problem; next, he will have to convince Americans that he wants to preserve and strengthen the social safety net, not weaken it, as naysayers claim. Finally, Republicans and Democrats will have to agree to share some sacrifice. Nothing is off-limits: taxes and spending must both be on the table.

I have proposed forming a bipartisan fiscal reform commission that would hold public meetings around the country and then propose a framework for tax and entitlement reform. The chief virtue of the commission approach is that it starts the clock: If Congress, or the White House, has another solution, it will be considered alongside the commission's proposal.

What matters is that we solve these problems, which grow worse every day. All good-faith ideas must be welcomed.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0218/p09s02-coop.html

I am average or a bit below. I understood completely what would happen when the Dems gave housing loans to the people who couldn't afford the properties befor they increased in value. There are a few of us talk about this very thing threw the years. We all looked so sweet in our tinfoiled hats. But hay . You good ahead and sugar coat all ya want .


Just so YOU get a more clear understanding let me explain . How banking works . Short form


Yets say that just from 2001. Only 200 billion dollars was given to the banks from the fed . In exchange for US treasury bonds.

Now We know it was alot more than 200 billion . But 200 billion should give you a true scope of the real problem .

200 billion from the Fed to the banks. With that 200 billion the Banks can leverage

200x 90 = 18,000 billion in loans. Its a fact. Ya see the problem is even tho their is 18,000 billion in loans . That amount of cash was never used . Instead the Banks Leveaged it up. But only 200 billion in cash is all their ever was.

Now if 25% were bad loans thats 4,500 billion in bad loans .

The part that pisses me off is We lost 4.5 trillion bollars . and the real lose is in fact only 50 billion. That fact alone should raise all kinds of red flags . This is exactly what happened But the loses are way way bigger than 4.5 trillion. Also the Bonds were only issue at 200 billion . Thats what our government owes real money + interest. But we the people are Stuck with 4.5 trillion in loses. I want to be a banker. This is criminal conduct.

Every person involved from the lawmakers up that allowed this kind of thing should be in prison . If their to powerful to be brought to justice . Than they are also to dangerious to be in America. I believe these are the true terrorist . In an honest trial . With Honest people involved I could prove it in a court of LAW.

 

[nealh]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thanks Bush for increasing the national debt by $4 trillion in your 8 years as President.

The American people spoke in 2006, and again in 2008, about who they want controlling their tax dollars.

Hint: it's not the GOP.

Oh yeah..the Dems who have built a stimulus package lead by garbage with no real fixes...and where are the 3 million jobs coming from..pure BS