Obama had Trumps phone tapped?

[jman19]

Even the New York times reported on this.

Reading is hard I guess.

The inability of the average American to understand even the slightest nuance is why we have a dunce for president.

 

[Vic]

Could someone please explain Trumper logic to me? Assuming that any of this is real, why would Obama be in hot water because the FISA court issued a warrant on Trump?

 

[OrByte]

Nytimes on Inauguration Day:

Nytimes 2 months later:
No evidence of a wiretap.

The right-wing talking points in action people.

Just an hour ago Rush Limbaugh was proclaiming the same argument.

Edit: I'll just add the following commentary.

The biggest issue here isn't what Obama did/didn't do. It isn't what Trump is saying.

It is the congressional response. Right now Trump and his followers are pushing SUPER HARD to get these things investigated by a very friendly republican congress (And Republican lead Intel committee's) I'm assuming this includes any investigation into Russia meddling in the US government.

This game is serious, with one move we can see any bi-partisan and independent investigation taken off the table.

People in this country need to be calling/emailing their reps and demand a special prosecutor and independent investigation.

oh and F*CK Devin Nunes and Jason Chaffetz

 

[jman19]

The right-wing talking points in action people.

Just an hour ago Rush Limbaugh was proclaiming the same argument.

Out of the mouths of blobs I suppose

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Could someone please explain Trumper logic to me? Assuming that any of this is real, why would Obama be in hot water because the FISA court issued a warrant on Trump?

I'm not a Trumper but I'd guess that its a rubber stamp court and the true purpose wasn't to see if there are Russians but to eavesdrop on the leading candidate to send the dirt over to Hillary.

 

[Vic]

I'm not a Trumper but I'd guess that its a rubber stamp court and the true purpose wasn't to see if there are Russians but to eavesdrop on the leading candidate to send the dirt over to Hillary.

Well, it doesn't appear that that scenario happened, but I'm sure that Trump, in his current position, has access to that information and could share it with us?

 

[emperus]

Nytimes on Inauguration Day:

Nytimes 2 months later:
No evidence of a wiretap.

You know you should read an article not just the headlines. This is depressing.

 

[brycejones]

Nytimes on Inauguration Day:

Nytimes 2 months later:
No evidence of a wiretap.

Are you retarded? This is a serious question.

Flynn was captured in a conversation he had with the Russian Ambassador and the tap was on the Ambassador's communications not Flynn's.

Trump has alleged that his and his campaign's communications were tapped which so far those who would be aware of such taps are saying is completely untrue.

Do you understand the difference? If not you may seriously be retarded.

 

[interchange]

Are Congressional Republicans simply pressured into legitimizing Trump's claims somehow? Previously, there was a lot of echoing of his misdirection toward the leaks of the intelligence community and away from the content.

Where's the breaking point?

 

[OrByte]

Are Congressional Republicans simply pressured into legitimizing Trump's claims somehow? Previously, there was a lot of echoing of his misdirection toward the leaks of the intelligence community and away from the content.

Where's the breaking point?

this is such a good question I'm wondering the same thing. At some point Trump is liable to take so many republican congress men/woman down with him as they continue to carry his water.

How anyone can fall in line behind Trump at this point defies belief.

 

[interchange]

this is such a good question I'm wondering the same thing. At some point Trump is liable to take so many republican congress men/woman down with him as they continue to carry his water.

How anyone can fall in line behind Trump at this point defies belief.

Supporting an investigation or condemning a felony are hard to criticize years later when people don't remember the details. As long as someone joins in on knocking down dominoes when it becomes clear they will all fall, their initial resistance to setting them up probably won't be damning.

 

[Vic]

Are Congressional Republicans simply pressured into legitimizing Trump's claims somehow? Previously, there was a lot of echoing of his misdirection toward the leaks of the intelligence community and away from the content.

Where's the breaking point?

I believe that the issue with congressional Republicans is that 2 very different narratives are being presented in the media. And even though the right wing media narrative being presented by Breitbart, et al makes no sense whatsoever, that isn't stopping the Republican base from believing it. Far from it, they seem to love this convoluted conspiracy theory because it tells them exactly what they want to hear. Which is putting the GOP in Congress in a very tough spot. Which, no doubt, was what Trump intended with his tweets.

 

[Jhhnn]

I believe that the issue with congressional Republicans is that 2 very different narratives are being presented in the media. And even though the right wing media narrative being presented by Breitbart, et al makes no sense whatsoever, that isn't stopping the Republican base from believing it. Far from it, they seem to love this convoluted conspiracy theory because it tells them exactly what they want to hear. Which is putting the GOP in Congress in a very tough spot. Which, no doubt, was what Trump intended with his tweets.

Trump has congressional repubs by the balls. He commands their primary voting base. He just stepped up & stole it by telling the chumps more of what they want to hear. If they're going after Trump, they'll need to make the kill shot soon or he'll send his minions on a mission from God to primary their sorry asses out of office.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This appears to be the basis for Trump's claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...8c6b94-027c-11e7-9d14-9724d48f5666_story.html

In that story we read about a report for a FISA warrant but not for a wiretap.

Here's her take:

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

According to that article the FBI (not Obama) became aware of a Trump Tower server directly connected to Alfa, a Russian bank. Note this isn't automatically a connection to Putin, however it was of sufficient concern that communications were monitored.

Take home to those who won't read, a report concerning monitoring of a Russian connected server in Trump Tower caused the issue of a FISA warrant for the purposes of monitoring data.

This was not a "wiretap" in any sense, it was financial movements which were monitored not verbal communications between Trump or his representatives, and this was per the FBI which wasn't in the job of protecting Hillary during this timeframe.

If this is correct we now have a basis behind the false accusation. I'm sure of course that Trump will come up with more than this report and nail that bastard Obama, right?

Gets better and better.

 

[Thebobo]

Citizen Journalist

 

[jman19]

This appears to be the basis for Trump's claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...8c6b94-027c-11e7-9d14-9724d48f5666_story.html

In that story we read about a report for a FISA warrant but not for a wiretap.

Here's her take:

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

According to that article the FBI (not Obama) became aware of a Trump Tower server directly connected to Alfa, a Russian bank. Note this isn't automatically a connection to Putin, however it was of sufficient concern that communications were monitored.

Take home to those who won't read, a report concerning monitoring of a Russian connected server in Trump Tower caused the issue of a FISA warrant for the purposes of monitoring data.

This was not a "wiretap" in any sense, it was financial movements which were monitored not verbal communications between Trump or his representatives, and this was per the FBI which wasn't in the job of protecting Hillary during this timeframe.

If this is correct we now have a basis behind the false accusation. I'm sure of course that Trump will come up with more than this report and nail that bastard Obama, right?

Gets better and better.

Yep, right after the Donald reveals the truth on Obama's birth certificate. You won't believe what they found!

 

[MikeMike]

Yep, right after the Donald reveals the truth on Obama's birth certificate. You won't believe what they found!

This information was also published publicly by a few different websites, so the FBI/NSA weren't the only ones who knew about it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...p_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

 

[Jhhnn]

This appears to be the basis for Trump's claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...8c6b94-027c-11e7-9d14-9724d48f5666_story.html

In that story we read about a report for a FISA warrant but not for a wiretap.

Here's her take:

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

According to that article the FBI (not Obama) became aware of a Trump Tower server directly connected to Alfa, a Russian bank. Note this isn't automatically a connection to Putin, however it was of sufficient concern that communications were monitored.

Take home to those who won't read, a report concerning monitoring of a Russian connected server in Trump Tower caused the issue of a FISA warrant for the purposes of monitoring data.

This was not a "wiretap" in any sense, it was financial movements which were monitored not verbal communications between Trump or his representatives, and this was per the FBI which wasn't in the job of protecting Hillary during this timeframe.

If this is correct we now have a basis behind the false accusation. I'm sure of course that Trump will come up with more than this report and nail that bastard Obama, right?

Gets better and better.

Well, yeh, but the server was physically located in Philadelphia, not Trump Tower at all.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/04...retapped-trump-can-declassify-that-right-now/

 

[werepossum]

You must be a special kind of stupid. In case you missed it, this thread concerns President Donald J Trump and Barack Hussein Obama.

Technically this thread concerns Trump and MIGHT concern Obama, but as of yet does not.

If the Obama White House wiretapped Trump, then yes, that's some Watergate shit. However, Trump claiming that Obama wiretapped him is merely noise among the crazy.

 

[IronWing]

Well, it doesn't appear that that scenario happened, but I'm sure that Trump, in his current position, has access to that information and could share it with us?

My guess is that Trump doesn't understand his role as President well enough for that to occur to him. Much of his ranting is about policies and agency direction that are within the scope of his authority to change. Eventually, he might figure out how to write a Constitutionally sound executive order.

 

[werepossum]

Could someone please explain Trumper logic to me? Assuming that any of this is real, why would Obama be in hot water because the FISA court issued a warrant on Trump?

Because that would mean that the Obama administration asked for that wiretap.

 

[zinfamous]

Because that would mean that the Obama administration asked for that wiretap.

are you speaking as a "turmp supporter would" or, because you think that this actually means Obama would have ordered a FISA warrant? I can't tell half the time with you.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because that would mean that the Obama administration asked for that wiretap.

Shee-it, Sherlock. Proof of the existence of a request or a warrant is right at the fingertips of Donald J Trump.

So where is it? I suppose we'll have to wait for congress to request it, huh?

 

[Vic]

Because that would mean that the Obama administration asked for that wiretap.

And if they had sufficient probable cause to do so?

 

[Younigue]

Shee-it, Sherlock. Proof of the existence of a request or a warrant is right at the fingertips of Donald J Trump.

So where is it? I suppose we'll have to wait for congress to request it, huh?

I'm sure he'll eventually say that the American people like with his taxes don't want to see it.