Obama had Trumps phone tapped?

[thraashman]

The Internet has failed me: I wanted to post that video from Futurama of this, but text will have to do:

Morbo: Morbo demands an answer to the following question: If you saw delicious candy in the hands of a small child would you seize and consume it?

Johnson: Unthinkable.

Jackson: I wouldn't think of it.

Morbo: What about you, Mr. Nixon? I remind you, you are under a truth-o-scope.

[The truth-o-scope hovers over Nixon's head and he starts to sweat.]
Nixon: Uh, well, I, uh ... the question is-is vague. You don't say what kind of candy, whether anyone is watching or, uh... [He clears his throat.] At any rate, I certainly wouldn't harm the child.

[The truth-o-scope beeps.]

This is perfect because I came to the realization a couple weeks ago that Trump is the real life version of Futurama's Nixon.

This reminds me of something; How easily Trump trashes everyone but Putin. Why is that he has never had 1 bad word to say about Putin?

It seems it's hard to bad mouth someone with their dick in your mouth.

 

[theeedude]

Probably Trump's FSB handler's phone was tapped, but it's the job of counterintelligence to do it.

 

[zinfamous]

rofl

 

[baydude]

ACLU's position on wiretapping:

There is no doubt we need more information to shed light on what did and did not happen. But one thing is clear. Anyone genuinely concerned about the unconstitutional surveillance of Americans should turn their attention to reforming one especially problematic section of FISA: Section 702, which the government relies on to surveil essentially all Americans’ international communications. Unlike “traditional” FISA, which at least requires the government to obtain an individualized court order to conduct surveillance, Section 702 authorizes the warrantless surveillance of vast quantities of international communications, with virtually no judicial oversight.

Assisted by companies like Facebook, Google, AT&T, and Verizon, the government uses this law to monitor Americans’ communications with foreigners abroad. In doing so, the government sweeps up billions of international emails, web-browsing activities, and phone calls — which NSA, CIA, and FBI analysts can then sift through looking for information about Americans. While there have been no public indications of this to date, it’s possible that Section 702 surveillance also captured communications between the Trump campaign team and the same Russian entities abroad.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-fre...sations-heres-what-government-can-actually-do

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is perfect because I came to the realization a couple weeks ago that Trump is the real life version of Futurama's Nixon.


It seems it's hard to bad mouth someone with their dick in your mouth.

Futurama is a good reference but I'm sticking to Mr. Krabs

 

[Jhhnn]

Probably Trump's FSB handler's phone was tapped, but it's the job of counterintelligence to do it.

If the NSA can tap Angela Merkel's cell phone then a variety of State actors obviously have similar capabilities, not to mention that there's a lot of intelligence sharing among NATO allies. Any & all will attempt to tap Russian govt phones, obviously. If you're on the other end of the line, your phone is tapped at the time, too.

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[Thebobo]

 

[Jhhnn]

ACLU's position on wiretapping:



https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-fre...sations-heres-what-government-can-actually-do

So what? It's perfectly obvious that the President has access to all FISA requests & their disposition. He can also declassify the information at will. Turning it into a Congressional investigation obfuscates that entirely.

If Trump had the dirt he'd spread he dirt instead of this bullshit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the NSA can tap Angela Merkel's cell phone then a variety of State actors obviously have similar capabilities, not to mention that there's a lot of intelligence sharing among NATO allies. Any & all will attempt to tap Russian govt phones, obviously. If you're on the other end of the line, your phone is tapped at the time, too.

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The allegation is that Obama had Trump Tower tapped IIRC. In his official capacity Trump can determine the facts and release the truth. Naturally this presupposes that he understands facts and truth, but the point is that if he makes an accusation he can back it up on his own on the authority of the Office.

I think that needs to be the main focus here. "Wiretapped? How awful! Quick, lay it all before us so we can get that bad guy Obama"!

Heh, he'd be so flustered he couldn't find his head with his tiny hands.

 

[Jhhnn]

The allegation is that Obama had Trump Tower tapped IIRC. In his official capacity Trump can determine the facts and release the truth. Naturally this presupposes that he understands facts and truth, but the point is that if he makes an accusation he can back it up on his own on the authority of the Office.

I think that needs to be the main focus here. "Wiretapped? How awful! Quick, lay it all before us so we can get that bad guy Obama"!

Heh, he'd be so flustered he couldn't find his head with his tiny hands.

Yep. See #308 above.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm lifting this for my avatar

 

[mikeymikec]

She has the BEST bullshit!

Are you trying to set her against Trump? Trump has the best EVERYTHING; I thought everyone knew that.

 

[baydude]

Nytimes on Inauguration Day:

Nytimes 2 months later:
No evidence of a wiretap.

 

[vi edit]

Nytimes on Inauguration Day:

Nytimes 2 months later:
No evidence of a wiretap.

From most articles discussing this topic, it's common for their to be monitoring of many foreign officials. The "tap" may have been on the other end. Or it was the fact that Flynn was under a microscope for a while and they had him flagged. Until the details come out we don't know. But Complainer in Chief has the tools and power available to him to figure that out.

 

[Thump553]

baydude: Trump is claiming a blanket wiretap on his entire organization. A FISA wiretap is issued by a federal judgment upon a finding of probable cause. Most likely the wiretap that tripped up Flynn named him specifically.

I can't imagine any judge issuing a search warrant against the entire Trump organization-even if the probable cause was rock solid.

In all likelihood the NYT position is correct-both in Jan and now.

 

[fskimospy]

Nytimes on Inauguration Day:

Nytimes 2 months later:
No evidence of a wiretap.

From your own picture:

"It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump's campaign or Mr. Trump himself." So yeah, no evidence of a wiretap of Trump.

Do you even read the things you link? I imagine you got it from some right wing website that yet again appears to have successfully duped you.

 

[zinfamous]

baydude: Trump is claiming a blanket wiretap on his entire organization. A FISA wiretap is issued by a federal judgment upon a finding of probable cause. Most likely the wiretap that tripped up Flynn named him specifically.

I can't imagine any judge issuing a search warrant against the entire Trump organization-even if the probable cause was rock solid.

In all likelihood the NYT position is correct-both in Jan and now.

Guys! He's got a big photo with a big red circle and arrow. You can't beat his evidence!

From your own picture:

"It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump's campaign or Mr. Trump himself." So yeah, no evidence of a wiretap of Trump.

Do you even read the things you link? I imagine you got it from some right wing website that yet again appears to have successfully duped you.

DUDE: ARROW!!!!

 

[piasabird]

Even the New York times reported on this.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Guys! He's got a big photo with a big red circle and arrow. You can't beat his evidence!




DUDE: ARROW!!!!

goddammit, beat me to it Zin.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nytimes on Inauguration Day:

Nytimes 2 months later:
No evidence of a wiretap.

Read what the NY times and what Trump claimed. Russians would be routinely listened in on, and conversations are two way things. Suppose there was someone in Iran that the government was keeping tabs on and someone in the US called them up and had a discussion about whatever. Who was wiretapped? The Iranian, not the US citizen. If the US citizen was proposing illegal acts it's still the Iranian was tapped and others were caught in wrongdoing.

Trump however is saying that *he* and/or his campaign was the wiretapped party during "the very sacred election" process and there is nothing suggesting this is the case. The onus if on Trump to provide evidence that this alleged "crime" happened at all, and this does not count towards it.

I'm about as unhappy with domestic surveillance as one can reasonably be, however that does not grant anyone license to distort the facts in context.

 

[zinfamous]

Read what the NY times and what Trump claimed. Russians would be routinely listened in on, and conversations are two way things. Suppose there was someone in Iran that the government was keeping tabs on and someone in the US called them up and had a discussion about whatever. Who was wiretapped? The Iranian, not the US citizen. If the US citizen was proposing illegal acts it's still the Iranian was tapped and others were caught in wrongdoing.

Trump however is saying that *he* and/or his campaign was the wiretapped party during "the very sacred election" process and there is nothing suggesting this is the case. The onus if on Trump to provide evidence that this alleged "crime" happened at all, and this does not count towards it.

I'm about as unhappy with domestic surveillance as one can reasonably be, however that does not grant anyone license to distort the facts in context.

But Baydude has an arrow! And it is red!

 

[alien42]

Even the New York times reported on this.

no, they didn't. as explained repeatedly already, we legally monitor a lot of foreigners and any American who makes contact with them will be recorded. that is not the same as Trump being wire tapped.

get your head out of the sand and use your brain.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

goddammit, beat me to it Zin.

Ah reminds me of Zin's "wait the red line was going to hit the green box thing and bad stuff was going to happen but that was three month's ago"

 

[zinfamous]

Ah reminds me of Zin's "wait the red line was going to hit the green box thing and bad stuff was going to happen but that was three month's ago"

oh man, who was that guy? He really loved that one chart with the arrow, lol.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Trump is the Nigerian Prince and America has elected him.

International calls, NSA does not need a warrant to tap these? Am I right about this?