Obama administration collecting your coments made on social networking sites.

[Robor]

Originally posted by: sandorski
:laugh:

I think "Death Panels" had more "controversy" than this. Certainly was more convincing. All these Amateur attempts to Gotchya Obama are getting pretty lame.

Just more of the same from the right wing noise machine. You can almost smell the desperation.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: OCguyThis forum would drop a load in its pants if this was Bush.

Bush instituted illegal filtering and surveillance of all information passing through certain internet and telephone network data center hubs, blocked lawsuits filed over this conduct, and then ran retroactive pardons for the involved parties through congress at turbo speed.

This is completely legal and benign in comparison.

I'm amazed the memory of certain people is so selective, and short...

It's not memory, it's partisanship. Plain and simple.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Opposing this policy makes you racist.

Straw men make you a hack.

And the Jets suck.

 

[spidey07]

So you guys would be just fine if the gubment used private contractors to tape and record your conversations held in a public place, say the park or street corner? Because this is what it amounts to. Of course the data is in on a public network for all to see. That doesn't mean the gubment should go out and mine/archive it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: spidey07
So you guys would be just fine if the gubment used private contractors to tape and record your conversations held in a public place, say the park or street corner? Because this is what it amounts to. Of course the data is in on a public network for all to see. That doesn't mean the gubment should go out and mine/archive it.

It's *NOT* a private conversation if it's posted in a public forum. Sheez!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: spidey07
So you guys would be just fine if the gubment used private contractors to tape and record your conversations held in a public place, say the park or street corner? Because this is what it amounts to. Of course the data is in on a public network for all to see. That doesn't mean the gubment should go out and mine/archive it.

Do you scream in terror and hang up the phone when you call the cable company and you hear the message that says 'this conversation may be recorded for quality control purposes'?

 

[cganesh75]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spidey07
So you guys would be just fine if the gubment used private contractors to tape and record your conversations held in a public place, say the park or street corner? Because this is what it amounts to. Of course the data is in on a public network for all to see. That doesn't mean the gubment should go out and mine/archive it.

Do you scream in terror and hang up the phone when you call the cable company and you hear the message that says 'this conversation may be recorded for quality control purposes'?

+1

Instead of screaming terror, he would gladly provide his social, street address etc after knowing that it may get recorded.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Thats not illegal. It is not a violation of anybodys rights....I see no issue at all.
Except for the obvious hatred you have of the Obama administration!

You almost made it, but at least you're down to a single one.

Originally posted by: OCguy
Wow, the people defending and rationalizing this are showing their true colors.

Just because something may be technically legal doesnt mean it is not disturbing. You really want the government to have a big database of everything you have ever said?

you are occasionally a voice of conservative rationality. sadly this is not one of those times.


Ah, the Washington Times. All the News That's Fit to be Distorted But Our Name is Written in a Fancy Font so We Must be Reliable. TM

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Next, someone's going to tell me that my posts here are public and others can read them and possibly print or store them :shocked:

By the way, Moose, your posts are public. They can be read, stored, and even printed.

And if you defame/slander someone, your anonymity may be breached. Just don't piss off any NY socialite model types.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spidey07
So you guys would be just fine if the gubment used private contractors to tape and record your conversations held in a public place, say the park or street corner? Because this is what it amounts to. Of course the data is in on a public network for all to see. That doesn't mean the gubment should go out and mine/archive it.

It's *NOT* a private conversation if it's posted in a public forum. Sheez!

You're not gettin my analogy. I understand public network, public forum.

I was taking it to the physical conclusion of the federal government actively recording and archiving your conversations in a public place, like a park or street or political rally.

I'm not outraged, just find it a little fishy when coupled with the flag@whitehouse.gov fiasco.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if its publicly posted and we know they are collecting it i feel a little bit better about this, although it would be nice to know why this is necessary

Yeah.

I have no issues with it being collected off public things. You post it in public that's there for anybody to see.

The bigger issue for me is, where is the outcry by the people who said everything Bush did was making a police state on this? If Bush had done this, people would have been ticked off and said he's trying to be "big brother" and turn it into 1986....

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if its publicly posted and we know they are collecting it i feel a little bit better about this, although it would be nice to know why this is necessary

Yeah.

I have no issues with it being collected off public things. You post it in public that's there for anybody to see.

The bigger issue for me is, where is the outcry by the people who said everything Bush did was making a police state on this? If Bush had done this, people would have been ticked off and said he's trying to be "big brother" and turn it into 1986....

Maybe they aren't making an outcry for exactly the reason you mentioned... the White House is saving publicly posted messages sent to them on purpose.

If you can show me an outcry about the Bush White House saving public communications to them, then I will stand corrected. What you're doing here though is attempting to equate massive, illegal spying programs from the Bush administration with Obama saving facebook wall posts.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

The bigger issue for me is, where is the outcry by the people who said everything Bush did was making a police state on this? If Bush had done this, people would have been ticked off and said he's trying to be "big brother" and turn it into 1986....

That's because 'this" -- meaning searching public statements and posts - is not the same as what your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang were doing. They actually WERE trying to be "big brother." They actually WERE shredding our Constitutional rights and acting as a police state with unwarranted monitoring and searches of our private communications.

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution states:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That right is not unlimited. It still allows "reasonable" searches and provides that a judicial court must issue a warrant declaring that, based on evidence and sworn testimony, probable cause exists that a defined search is reasonable.

What people say in public and post in public places is not within "their persons, houses, papers and effects" and, by extension, their private communications.

You're bitching about a right you never had.

 

[Thump553]

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in any statements/videos/etc. posted in public forums or places. There is no Constitutional prohibition against anyone collecting them.

I think the OP is raising this to the height of unwarranted paranoia as well. It would take some detective work to even be able to guess at the actual identity of most posters-I can't imagine this been done. Assuming the accusation is true I suspect it is the result of an internet astute White House keeping a closer finger on the pulse of public opinon.

I wonder if the OP was so outraged when the Bush administration was listening in on ALL our private phone conversations (in the name of the war on terrorism)?