Yup.
At any level of gov't they are required to maintain a record of public comments.
Don't be surprised when someone creates the OCguy - P&N - I :heart: Obama account.
Yup.
At any level of gov't they are required to maintain a record of public comments.
Don't be surprised when someone creates the OCguy - P&N - I :heart: Obama account.
Was that intended as stupitity or sarcasm?
If it was the latter, at least, we can laugh with you.
Vic
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It's not 'technically legal,' in this case, it would be illegal if they didn't archive it. Govt entities and most major corporations are required to keep a record of ALL correspondence with the public, just on the off-chance that it might be needed for some possible litigation/audit/etc. Hell, I can't even delete my emails at work for this same reason.
Hi. Network and security architect consultant here. You have your area of expertise, this is mine.
The rub here is this is not official correspondence with the whitehouse - and that point can be debated, I give you that.
Your point of keeping correspondence on systems you actually own is correct. These hosts, the data they contain, are NOT subject to the regulations you present. They cannot be, this is private data presented on a public network (The Internet).
User created data is still owned by the host, not the user. Why the whitehouse wants to mine this data by a third party should bring much concern.
Thread reported to flag@whitehouse.gov. To be fair, the laws regarding this kind of correspondence were not meant to deal with this medium. I think one could go either way on this.
If you say it in public, you made your words public. Your right to speak in public comes with responsiblity for the consequences of your words. Current technology can make the word, "public" a near instantaneous, worldwide event.
The same rules still apply. If you don't intend your words to be made public, don't say or post them in public places.
For contrast, you have the legal right to expect privacy in your private phone calls and other direct, personal means of communication. If you want to talk about "disturbing," think about what I had in mind when I wrote the lines in my sig about George W. Bush and his gang. :Q
Good analogy.
Now let's suppose that the whitehouse is actively recording and datamining public discussions, you still ok with that?
Vic
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Post reported to troll@anandtech.com :roll:
Part of my area of expertise is contact management. Given the opportunity to archive correspondence with the public, you do so. Because yes, the laws are vague and in particular not meant to deal with the medium in question. So no, there is no reason for 'much concern.' FFS, if you sent me a message on facebook, why couldn't I keep if I wanted to? If you don't like it, don't send me a message. Duh!
Check my posts during the reign of the Bushwhackos. Or click the link to my song.
I hung my strongest words out in public with links. You can find some of them in Google searches. I have no idea whether any of the Bushies ever checked. Does it look like I gave a damn?
Were you OK when the Bush administration passed the legislation that allowed them to do this without a warrant, and when they monitored every single phone call and email after it was passed? Of course you were, you'd kiss the man's feet if he allowed it.
Pliablemoose
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Next, someone's going to tell me that my posts here are public and others can read them and possibly print or store them :shocked:
Since I don't have a Facebook, myspace or twitter....don't really care.
But if I did I would not have my panties in a bunch over it....once it leave my computer and is sent out to the world it's like to walking out my front door and screaming at the top of my lungs.....it becomes public information and there is NO expectation of privacy.
Don't like the fact that they government can look at what you post of public pages?....don't post, it's really simple.
But if I did I would not have my panties in a bunch over it....once it leave my computer and is sent out to the world it's like to walking out my front door and screaming at the top of my lungs.....it becomes public information and there is NO expectation of privacy.
Don't like the fact that they government can look at what you post of public pages?....don't post, it's really simple.
Siddhartha
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White House's Facebook page
I propose we set up an Obama Outrage Index. This would be a method to quantify the outrages that his political opponents keep generating.
On a scale of 0 to 100, I am going to give this one, the White House archiving social network, for example its facebook page, information like they collect letters, a 5.
I propose we set up an Obama Outrage Index. This would be a method to quantify the outrages that his political opponents keep generating.
On a scale of 0 to 100, I am going to give this one, the White House archiving social network, for example its facebook page, information like they collect letters, a 5.
Isn't this limited to the comments that you post on their social network pages? I can understand them archiving what people post to their pages, but if they start spidering across user's comments outside of their site then that's pretty sketch. I mean if you posted anything to a private company's message board, I'm pretty sure you'd expect them to have a record of it somewhere.
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